Egg on the face - Where the heck are you experts?

[King]

This is not aimed at posters on this website but at some of the so called greats and their criticism of Tendulkar. It sounds so hollow and silly now if you read them. How the heck can these guys speak out of their butt and criticize for the sake of criticizing. I guess some of Sachin's fans here have a point when they keep bumping a thread or have a go at people that criticize Tendulkar for the sake of it. Firstly it's a team sport and you can't pick on a particular player for not producing results. Secondly these guys that criticize Tendulkar for the sake of being in the news don't come up amending their statements or having the decency to mention they aren't right anymore. It almost sounds fashionable to criticize Tendulkar. The same blokes now have shut their shop and walked away. I don't reckon there was a single statement from Tendulkar at all and he let his bat do all that talking. That is the stuff of champions. No better pleasure for me than to see so called past greats humiliated by Sachin Tendulkar. I take absolute pleasure in bringing some of these quotable quotes from the past players and so called experts. There were many including the ones that didn't know how to hold a bat criticize the Indian run making machine but I have had picked some of these articles for the pleasure of our readers. Is it surprising we don't hear much from the likes of Sanjay Manjraker, Ian Chappell, Kapil Dev and Moin Khans? If the media have any moral responsiblity they should be approaching these blokes mentioned above and ask them if they have been proved utterly wrong. This is one of the reason why I hate to read some of these past cricketers that reckon they can say anything and get away. These guys have no clue what they are talking about and should not really be given an opportunity by the media to sprout their nonsense and personal agendas.

Jul 24, 2007 New Delhi: Former captain Kapil Dev on Tuesday trained his gun on Sachin Tendulkar after his failure in the first cricket Test against England, saying he has not delivered at crunch situations which will remain a "blot" in his career. "Every time people hope big things from Sachin Tendulkar but often it is only disappointment that we are left with. He is thought to be the backbone of the Indian team but many times he has not stood up to the occasion," he said. "Figures say that Sachin has not been able to perform under pressure. This will remain a blot in his career," Kapil Dev told a Television channel. "There are many players who play well but they face difficulties against good bowling attack, like Sourav Ganguly faces. These kind of questions will be raised in case of Sachin as well and it will continue to remain a blot in his career till he wins matches for India under difficult circumstances," he said. When asked whether Tendulkar deserved a place in the side, Kapil said, "Whether it is Sachin or anyone, one who does not perform does not have any place in the team." Tendulkar was out for 16 in the second innings while India were chasing a stiff total of 380 to win the Test match. "Sachin has big records to his name but until he wins matches for India in these conditions, people will raise fingers at him," Kapil said. On Mahendra Singh Dhoni's match-saving knock, Kapil said that the wicketkeeper-batsman was playing "tentatively." "He has the ability to win matches for India on his own. He was tentative on the last day of the Test match and was not able to play freely." Kapil also said that the bowling attack needed to be consistent. "You cannot win matches by bowling well in patches. For winning a Test series abroad one needs to perform consistently."

Tendulkar should review his future, says Ian Chappell March 30, 2007 15:53 IST Former Australian captain Ian Chappell has said batsman Sachin Tendulkar should review his future in cricket before someone else is forced to make the decision for him. "At the moment, he looks like a player trying to eke out a career; build on a glittering array of statistics," Chappell wrote in a column in Mumbai-based tabloid Mid Day on Friday. "If he really is playing for that reason and not to help win as many matches as he can for India, then he is wasting his time and should retire immediately. "Before anybody else makes a decision on what will happen to Tendulkar, the player himself has to have a good long look in the mirror and decide what he's trying to achieve in the game." The 33-year-old holds a host of records in both forms of the game, but has been a shadow of his former self in recent times. At this World Cup, where India tumbled out in the first round in the Caribbean, Tendulkar failed against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and notched up a half century against Bermuda. Chappell, whose younger brother Greg is India coach, drew a parallel between Tendulkar and Brian Lara and said the West Indian left-hander had not changed his style over 17 years. WORLDS APART "When you think that for a decade Brian Lara and Tendulkar went head-to-head in a wonderful battle of strokeplay to establish who was the best batsman in the world, they are now worlds apart in effectiveness," he wrote. "Lara's quick-footed tip toe through a terrific innings against a good Australian bowling attack when the rest of the West Indies top order succumbed easily was in direct contrast to Tendulkar's stumbling effort in the crucial Sri Lanka match." Chappell conceded that Tendulkar had suffered due to injuries. "Tendulkar hasn't been as lucky as Lara; the Indian batsman has suffered a lot of injuries in this period where his play has deteriorated and there is nothing that melts your mental approach quicker than physical handicaps." But the Australian said this was no excuse. "For whatever reason Tendulkar hasn't been able to maintain his extremely high standards for the last few years and unless he can find a way to recapture this mental approach he's not doing his team or himself any favours. "If Tendulkar had found an honest mirror three years ago and asked the question: 'Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the best batsman of all?' It would've answered: 'Brian Charles Lara'. "It he asked that same mirror right now: 'Mirror, mirror on the wall should I retire?' The answer would be: 'Yes,'"

Beginning of the end for Tendulkar? By Moin Khan January 27, 2006 The Faisalabad Test will go down in the annals of history as another run-feast. But as I see the game, I fear this may just be the beginning of the end of Sachin Tendulkar [images], the man we all respect, adore and love because of his tremendous natural talent and humble attitude. The more I look back at his dismissal, the more convinced I get that the downhill journey for the little champion has started because it has been established that, according to the laws of the game, he was not out as the ball had made contact with the right glove that was not in play. What is even more mindblowing is that he did not look at the umpire and immediately started his long walk towards the pavilion. I am not willing to buy the theory that Sachin did not know the laws of the game. If Michael Kasprowicz knows them, then I am sure that after playing for 16 years at the highest level and having led his country for a couple of years, Sachin knows all the rules by heart. Then what prompted Sachin to leave the pitch on which six centuries and two 90s were scored? Hostile bowling by Shoaib Akhtar [images], or the tension-filled dressing room atmosphere that often gets on the nerves of the batsmen who start feeling suffocated? Whatever may be the real reason, the fact of the matter is that Shoaib Akhtar literally exposed Sachin's present-day ability against quality fast bowling during a spell that will certainly be remembered for long. Even on a dead track, Shoaib was charging in at Sachin, bending his back and putting all his energy into his deliveries. One could see those terrifying, hungry and wild looks in the eyes of Shoaib when he reached Sachin at handshaking distance on his follow-through. As a wicketkeeper, Sachin's controversial dismissal also reminded me of a few batsmen who preferred walking off the pitch on their legs rather than being carried away on stretchers when the great Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis were at their brilliant best. I wish I am wrong in my assessment of Sachin, but, at least, that is the impression he has left after his Faisalabad outing. Maybe when he takes an emotional walk in the National Stadium in Karachi, the desire of continuing for a few more years with distinction and merit will be re-ignited. But for the moment, the Sachin I saw batting at Faisalabad was certainly a shadow of the Sachin who courageously faced and ruthlessly punished the greatest bowlers of the past decade. Having watched Shoaib's dedication and commitment, I feel sorry that he is not getting more conducive pitches as the wickets prepared for the first two Tests were highly biased towards batsmen. But at the same time it is pleasing to note that it is Pakistan's negative strategy and curators' poor craftsmanship that is under the scanner and not Shoaib's attitude and approach. Rudra Pratap Singh won the Man-of-the-Match for his five wickets in the batsman-dominated Test, but the left-arm pacer's inclusion does not entirely absolve Rahul Dravid [images] of the criticism he is getting for dropping Sourav Ganguly [images]. Dravid contradicted himself by including Sourav for the Lahore [images] Test citing his experience but then picking an inexperienced Yuvraj Singh [images] as the fifth specialist batsmen for Faisalabad. You can gamble with an inexperienced batsman when playing with a six-four-one combination but when you decide to take the field with a five-five-one combination, the margin for error is little and consequently you prefer to pick the men in-form. In the present scenario, probably most would have voted for Sourav because of his experience after both failed to get a chance to bat in Lahore. For me, the best performer of the match was Mahendra Singh Dhoni [images] who scored a sizzling 144, but more importantly, pulled the Indian team out of dire straits and earned a slender but important 15-run first innings lead. Dhoni was all at sea against Shoaib Akhtar early on but when Shoaib was out of the attack, he put the Pakistan bowling to the sword. The way he presents himself, walks and bats, I think cricket desperately needs entertaining characters like him to make the sport more glamorous and attract more crowds. He may be unorthodox in technique, but who cares when he scores like that. The fielding of both teams remained below par. On a wicket where bowlers are at the mercy of batsmen, fielders need to be on the alert and convert half chances into wickets. But unfortunately, only Yuvraj Singh and Danish Kaneria managed to pulled off stunners while V V S Laxman [images], Imran Farhat [images], and Kamran Akmal dropped sitters. There has been a debate on Pakistan's decision to bat out the entire fifth day. Although I believe Pakistan should have given the Indians at least 35 overs to bat, their decision to opt for batting practice makes more sense. At lunch, Pakistan's lead was not big and by the time they batted India out of the match, there was no time left. Shoaib Akhtar is already carrying a niggle in his ankle and it would have been fatal had he aggravated his injury during that period. The other thing Pakistan might have thought was to tire the Indian bowlers so much that they felt the strain and pressure in the third Test. All said and done, seeing the cricket played in the first two Tests, I am glad I am not part of it although it is still a pain to watch.

Manjrekar blames Tendulkar for India's failures February 25, 2008 15:05 IST Former India batsman Sanjay Manjrekar came down heavily on his former teammate Sachin Tendulkar [images] saying his repeated failures at the top of the order is hurting India in one-day internationals. "Another problem that India have these days when they bat second on a good pitch, is that their most experienced batsman, who bats at such an influential position in the batting order, becomes almost redundant," he wrote in his column for the Times of India. Tendulkar has failed to get going in the ongoing tri-series having managed just 128 runs in seven matches at a lowly average of 18.28. Manjrekar also pointed out that in the last 51 One-day internationals, Tendulkar's batting average when he bats first is 62.10 in 24 innings. In contrast when he bats second, it's 26.00 in 27 innings. India captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni [images] on Sunday also seemed visibly upset with the repeated failures of Tendulkar and Virender Sehwag [images] and suggested that the batting order could be changed for the next match, against Sri Lanka [images] on Tuesday. "The run-making for the top order hasn't been the story till now and it could make things so much easier for the lower order batsmen," Dhoni said after India's 18-run loss to Australia in Sydney on Sunday. Manjrekar believes that Tendulkar seems to let the team down the most when chasing big targets. 'After a brilliant Test series, it's not so much his form in this one-day series that is the concern but his contribution, at that crucial opening position when India is set bigger targets to chase. If you look at it, it's a simple batting issue that the maestro along with the team management should professionally address,' he said. The former Mumbai batsman also seem puzzled as to why no one is talking about Tendulkar's poor form. Senior pros like Rahul Dravid [images] and Sourav Ganguly [images] were shown the door from the ODI team after a few failures and youngsters were inducted in their place. 'But with Tendulkar, it's like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about,' Manjrekar writes.

Sachin, don't be afraid of failure 19 Jul 2006, 2311 hrs IST, Sanjay Manjrekar Sachin Tendulkar has played 362 ODIs and 132 Tests. It is time he started thinking like a man who has played 362 ODIs and 132 Tests. Which means he has to accept a fact of life that his mind may remain young and retain the youthful exuberance for the game but his body is ageing rapidly. Tendulkar has played a humongous amount of cricket and, thus, will never ever have that 19-year-old body to support what still looks a very eager cricket mind. Watching the turn of events in his career in the last five years or so I am afraid my favourite batsman is not handling this fact of life as well as he does a cricket bat. Judging other people's injuries and their seriousness is a very dangerous exercise. Except the person affected, no one really knows how serious the affliction is. But my guess is that Tendulkar seems reluctant to play any international cricket unless he is physically and mentally 100% fit. A state he will never ever be after 16 years of international cricket. It is here he could take a leaf from his contemporaries like Inzamam-ul-Haq and Brian Lara who today are more 'on their last legs' than Tendulkar. Unlike Tendulkar, they walk onto the field with no illusions. They compete with a very clear knowledge that they do not anymore have the support of fit bodies they once had. It is an inevitable state of body and mind of a cricketer who has gone through such a long, hard grind. Would the Indian team have refused Tendulkar if he would have said that he is fit for the Tests in West Indies but may not be able to throw so well from the deep? I have found the scenes prior to his recent, long absences from the game quite strange. After the series in Bangladesh in December 2004, in which he scored a double century, he followed that up with another innings of 36 and immediately ruled himself out of cricket for nearly three months with no warning signs of even discomfort during that series. Even in the last instance, when he ruled himself unfit with the shoulder injury I found the timing of the announcement during that Mumbai Test quite strange. Why would you want to make that declaration on the eve of your own and the team's very critical innings, when the Test match was at such a delicate stage? There was another moment too: Tendulkar deciding to give the 2005 Super Series Test a miss. I thought that was a great opportunity not to be missed at any cost for someone like him. What a great stage that was to show off your individual brilliance. Tendulkar said he had not fully recovered from the elbow injury. But just eight days later he was running down the pitch hitting Murali out of the ground in that knock of 93 against Sri Lanka in the ODI at Nagpur. That Super Series actually was another evidence of how the two great men think. There was Lara, in Australia, hopelessly short of match practice, yet looking at every chance as an opportunity to play another memorable innings. Working on the principle that the more chances you give yourself, the more the chances of success. Tendulkar is not willing to take that chance. The Tendulkar of today gives me the impression that his main focus is not to fail! And he wants to give himself the best shot at that. By competing only when he feel he is in his prime, physically and mentally. In comparison, Lara's success has a lot to do with his failures. Lara is not in fear of failure. Lara knows that with advancing years, failures will mount. So while Lara is staying realistic, Tendulkar seems to be chasing a ghost.

[King]

BTW feel free to add the articles that was very harsh on the run machine, it will serve as a dossier and we shall publish it as an article.

[flamy]

This is awesome.

[graphic23]

Thanks Ravi. I hate Sanjay Manjrekar. The guy's an ******* and a very very annoying commentator. His entire commentary life is based on how to ridicule Sachin and when Sachin does play a good shot, his immediate statement is: "I haven't seen Sachin play like this in years." Kapil Dev's comment came at the Lord's test when he was lbw against Panesar for 16 odd runs. Based on the context, we might allow for the rest but the others are ridiculous.I remember reading that Ian Chappell's article during the WC 2007 - I was fuming at it but couldn't help much. Though, in more recent months, everyone has sung praises of Sachin though.

[Anakin]

R bhai, very good thread. It always seems SRT is the sole reason and fall guy for any debacle, not only by the experts, but by "fans" and what's even worse is that these fans have the guts to call themselves "objective" and ridicule others who'd oppose with them as worshipers. On the same note, I noticed at least one of such fans who was all praise of Veeru (well deserved), but not a single mention of SRT in that famous run chase.

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Sachin Tendulkar's recent failures to dominate average attacks are often exaggerated by the weight of his reputation: a slow, passive century from Tendulkar would still be a solid knock by someone else, it is said. There must be truth to it but the manner in which he crawled to a century today has left even that argument open to doubt. Today's was a solid, honest Test century - for a debutant, not for someone playing his 137th Test. Coming in at 281 for 0, Tendulkar never looked like he was batting in a side pushing for a declaration on a flat wicket where their bowlers would need the maximum time to get 20 wickets. He ended up with an unbeaten 122 off 226 balls, his strike-rate faster than only Sourav Ganguly among Indian batsmen. What does one expect of a No. 4 walking in at 281 for 0, when the team know they will have to bowl on a flat wicket in extremely tough conditions? Tendulkar has, not unfairly, been put in the same bracket as Ricky Ponting and Brian Lara over his career but surely neither would have scored at a strike-rate of 53.98 in a similar situation? A strike-rate that only increased after what appeared to be a clear message to hurry up, during the tea interval? As the table below shows, Tendulkar faced nearly half the total deliveries bowled while he was out in the middle but scored only 40% of the runs, which is hardly what you'd expect from the leading batsman in the team. Tendulkar's contribution to the score while he was at the crease Runs Balls % of runs scored % of balls faced Sachin Tendulkar 122 226 39.35 49.23 The rest 188 233 60.65 50.76 The contrast is stark when his contributions are compared to those of his partners: both Dravid and Karthik scored far more runs than Tendulkar, though Tendulkar faced more than half the deliveries during each stand. His approach when batting with Karthik was particularly perplexing; Tendulkar was already on 49 when Karthik came in, yet he scored at a niggardly 2.87 runs per over in that second-wicket stand, even as Karthik scored nearly two runs more per over. Ganguly's arrival should have forced Tendulkar to take charge. Instead, he seemed more intent on ensuring that a 37th Test hundred didn't elude him - Tendulkar was on 83 when Ganguly came, and the get-your-century-at-any-cost attitude meant he used up 42 deliveries to go from 80 to 100. In fact, his second 50 runs took four balls more - 102 - than his first. (Karthik, on the other hand, scored his last 107 runs in 128 balls, while Dravid's second fifty took 68.) Only after getting to the hundred did Tendulkar step it up, getting his last 22 off 26 balls. Tendulkar's contributions in each of his partnerships Partnership with Total bat runs/ balls Runs per over Tendulkar - runs/ balls Runs per over Partner - runs/ balls Runs per over Rahul Dravid 124/ 188 3.95 49/ 96 3.06 75/ 92 4.89 Dinesh Karthik 81/ 130 3.73 34/ 71 2.87 47/ 59 4.77 Sourav Ganguly 31/ 63 2.95 16/ 31 3.09 15/ 32 2.81 Mahendra Singh Dhoni 74/ 78 5.69 23/ 28 4.92 51/ 50 6.12 That Tendulkar was not really comfortable was evident yesterday too. He had ended the first day with nine from 31 balls: surely he wasn't playing for stumps for the last 13 overs of the day? There is more to it than the numbers, though - and that's the worrying part. A show of intent was missed probably as much as the ability to take control of the game and demoralise the bowlers. It has become a cliché to say how painful it is to see Tendulkar scratch around for runs against bowlers who are good but not exceptional but, on today's evidence, it still stands true. Mashrafe Mortaza kept coming at him with manful short-pitched stuff, because he saw Tendulkar was not comfortable handling it. Even yesterday, he had played at and narrowly escaped tickling the first delivery with the new ball. At times, he ducked too early; on occasions, he took his eye off the ball while swaying away. During the opening spell of the day, he kept Mortaza especially interested. Hook shots weren't even contemplated, it seemed. He scored 19 off 52 Mortaza deliveries. It could have been any other batsman. Mohammad Rafique was not given any opportunity to disbelieve that Tendulkar has history against left-arm spinners. Twice, after Tendulkar had passed fifty, Rafique did him with classical stuff, not the stifling kind. At 52, he edged one past the non-existent slip for four. The next one Tendulkar, well set, did not have a clue about. He was 72 when one pitched on the middle stump and took his outside edge. Rafique was not even required to adopt the defensive approach of bowling over the wicket. Tendulkar couldn't improvise and play a scoring shot when deceived by the slowness of the wicket. Not long ago, you'd describe him as a batsman who had two shots for every ball; here he was struggling to do anything more than nudge it to leg. Thirty-seven of his runs - including 19 singles and five twos - came behind square on the leg side. On the other hand, only 18 of his runs were scored in the covers, with just one four. It just doesn't seem possible that the team plan required Tendulkar to play anchor, after having racked up such a large total without losing a wicket and especially as Rahul Dravid also asserted himself on the game. If it was, it was a flawed one. That they got quick wickets towards the end of the day's play should not change things; it remains that the wicket was not doing anything while Tendulkar batted. The wicket was slow, the weather conditions were tough, no more. But Dravid, Dinesh Karthik and Wasim Jaffer all accelerated in the latter parts of their innings. For Tendulkar, the acceleration came only after the century. It was all the more painful to see him make the conditions and bowling look more difficult than they probably were. Worryingly for India, Tendulkar has been batting in this perplexing, defensive mode more often recently, and has done so for successive Test hundreds on this tour: the numbers were similar for his century in the previous match, at Chittagong - 75 balls for his first 50, 92 for his next; 62 runs in the arc from fine leg to midwicket, including 38 singles. Just like the pace of his hundred didn't matter at Chittagong, it might not make a difference here if the weather stays clear and Bangladesh continue to crumble. Against England later this summer, though, the runs he scores - and the rate he gets them at - could matter a whole lot more.

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R bhai' date=' very good thread. It always seems SRT is the sole reason and fall guy for any debacle, not only by the experts, but by "fans" and what's even worse is that these fans have the guts to call themselves "objective" and ridicule others who'd oppose with them as worshipers.[b'] On the same note, I noticed at least one of such fans who was all praise of Veeru (well deserved), but not a single mention of SRT in that famous run chase.

Sachin did really well on that day. But rightfully, Sehwag got the MoM and deserved the praise because he made possible a seemingly impossible target. Plus, Sachin got the MoM award at Adelaide for his 153 and 13 (match aggregate) while Sehwag missed out on it when he scored 63 and a match saving 151*.

[Anakin]

Sachin did really well on that day. But rightfully' date=' Sehwag got the MoM and deserved the praise because he made possible a seemingly impossible target. Plus, Sachin got the MoM award at Adelaide for his 153 and 13 (match aggregate) while Sehwag missed out on it when he scored 63 and a match saving 151*.[/quote'] So? Doesn't that deserve a passing comment at least? Let me know how many times any team won by scoring 250-odd runs on the last day pitch in India.

[suraj]

Kya yaar Pointless thread Sachin is the best batsman of all times- why waste time in nitpicking a few who point some inconsistencies on the way

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So? Doesn't that deserve a passing comment at least? Let me know how many times any team won by scoring 250-odd runs on the last day pitch in India.

Who said it didn't deserve a passing comment? I was merely saying that it is not such a big issue as you're making it out to be. Anyone who thinks that Sachin doesn't deserve credit for that chase does not have a brain - as simple as that. That he not only paced his innings brilliantly but also helped a player known so notoriously for his inability to read spin, on a 5th day Chennai pitch shows what sort of a command he has over the game's intricacies.

[Anakin]

Who said it didn't deserve a passing comment? I was merely saying that it is not such a big issue as you're making it out to be. Anyone who thinks that Sachin doesn't deserve credit for that chase does not have a brain - as simple as that. That he not only paced his innings brilliantly but also helped a player known so notoriously for his inability to read spin' date=' on a 5th day Chennai pitch shows what sort of a command he has over the game's intricacies.[/quote'] The point is the obvious bias of so called objective fans, why is that so hard to understand.

[Deleted_User_1]

I think Moin Khan and Sanjay Manjrekar questioning SRT's commitment and will is ridiculous. Both are idiots. But given the circumstances, I do not think Kapil and Chappellis article is unjsutified. That was early to mid 2007 all after the WC 2007 and before the 2nd test in England. SRT had gone through a prolonged patch of bad form starting in 2005. So they were justified in criticizing. After all, he was getting bogged down with injuries and had played for a LONG time even then. SRT earns 200 crores a year and is worshipped like god in India and abroad. If he cannot take such criticisms in stride (which I think he does), then he should not be in the limelight. Celebrities who have a public life, in the entertainment business and earn a sh*tload of money should take even harsh criticisms in stride as long as they are justified. Chappell's and Kapil's were, not Manjrekar or katlu Moin's. Now since mid 2007 he has been on a roll and we are all happy about it. Any criticism now is unwarranted, but then it was fine as long as people were not calling him a wuss (like katlu Moin did).

[cowboysfan]

Kya yaar Pointless thread Sachin is the best batsman of all times- why waste time in nitpicking a few who point some inconsistencies on the way

:hatsoff: yep-kapil has a right to analize and critize any batsman.whether he is right or wrong is another issue.

[Rajiv]

I see it this way The Moin Khans and Manjrekars made the comments to scandalize it and for moolah and article space. A cricket fan is just someone who expects him to peform everytime and can be forgiven for loose comments I'd say nice to see folks like Shastri who never put Sachin down and always shared his success and failure

[King]

Kya yaar Pointless thread Sachin is the best batsman of all times- why waste time in nitpicking a few who point some inconsistencies on the way

Those criticisms were threads then and had many agreeing to it. Every now and then we need to expose these experts. They were not just observations but comments ranging from calling Tendulkar a chicken and was hiding against Akthar, pretends he has injuries, picks and plays his games (plays against Bangladesh in particular), he needs to learn from Inzi and Lara, he needs to retire when he as 33 and the list goes on. Why not expose them? Someone like Moin Khan who in comparison to Tendulkar doesn't know how to hold a bat passing comments stating Tendulkar was afraid to face Akthar is an ultimate rubbish remark. If the same blokes came out stating they were utterly wrong I wouldn't have a problem but you don't hear from them anymore do you?

[Holysmoke]

kapil's a dumfk.. as much as i repsect him for winning us a wc, etc.. he's really got a screw loose up there.

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The point is the obvious bias of so called objective fans' date=' why is that so hard to understand.[/quote'] And my point is that there is no bias. It is not bias. The point being that chase was impossible if Sehwag hadn't scored that 83.

[King]

I think Moin Khan and Sanjay Manjrekar questioning SRT's commitment and will is ridiculous. Both are idiots. But given the circumstances, I do not think Kapil and Chappellis article is unjsutified. That was early to mid 2007 all after the WC 2007 and before the 2nd test in England. SRT had gone through a prolonged patch of bad form starting in 2005. So they were justified in criticizing. After all, he was getting bogged down with injuries and had played for a LONG time even then. SRT earns 200 crores a year and is worshipped like god in India and abroad. If he cannot take such criticisms in stride (which I think he does), then he should not be in the limelight. Celebrities who have a public life, in the entertainment business and earn a sh*tload of money should take even harsh criticisms in stride as long as they are justified. Chappell's and Kapil's were, not Manjrekar or katlu Moin's. Now since mid 2007 he has been on a roll and we are all happy about it. Any criticism now is unwarranted, but then it was fine as long as people were not calling him a wuss (like katlu Moin did).

Ian Chappell asked Sachin Tendulkar to retire at the age of 33 :omg: It isn't his business to state when a player should retire. He can criticize the player all right but when he is proved wrong several times in future he should ideally have the decency to withdraw his comments and accept he was being ridiculous or underestimated Tendulkar's ability which he doesn't still do. He was being an idiot and I'm surprised he's still engaged by the Indian media. Criticizing is fine as long as you are being neutral at all times and also have the heart to praise wholeheartedly when the time comes. That is a trait missing among the above mentioned cricketers. Gavaskar has criticized Tendulkar too in the context of a game or two but often he has been good enough to give Tendulkar the credit he deserves.

[Anakin]

And my point is that there is no bias. It is not bias. The point being that chase was impossible if Sehwag hadn't scored that 83.

Again you're missing the point, let's just say I completely agree with u on that sentence, but that was not enough to achieve an improbable victory (the second point was completely ignored by some and if that's not bias, then I'm gonna leave it at that. You probably are not aware of those people's past posts )

[Deleted_User_1]

Ian Chappell asked Sachin Tendulkar to retire at the age of 33 :omg: It isn't his business to state when a player should retire. He can criticize the player all right but when he is proved wrong several times in future he should ideally have the decency to withdraw his comments and accept he was being ridiculous or underestimated Tendulkar's ability which he doesn't still do. He was being an idiot and I'm surprised he's still engaged by the Indian media. Criticizing is fine as long as you are being neutral at all times and also have the heart to praise wholeheartedly when the time comes. That is a trait missing among the above mentioned cricketers. Gavaskar has criticized Tendulkar too in the context of a game or two but often he has been good enough to give Tendulkar the credit he deserves.

I can't believe I am defending Chappelli, but I do not think he was hung up on SRT retiring at 33, but the fact that SRT had already played for 15+ years (which is long for anyone) and the injuries were affecting his play (you cannot deny that fact, his injuries did slow him down from 2005 to mid 2007). That mirror mirror on the wall sh*t is just hyperbole and he should be criticized for that.