Egg on the face - Where the heck are you experts?

[King]

To be honest you have to spare the cricket fans and followers. I don't know of many fans that don't have see-sawing mood depending on the fortune of the team. Indian cricket fans are an emotional lot and are mostly arm chair experts. You have to excuse their criticism when the team's going under a bit of trouble. It's a different case with the experts that come on TV and print media though. They are paid to do a professional job and are accountable. They have the moral responsiblity of not pushing their personal agenda and they are widely read as well which pretty much damages the reputation of a player. Wonder if they will ever be able to keep a straight face when the see the players they have hounded but have been proven wrong?

[Kohum]

This thread led to bump of various threads - some good, some down right hillarious. Boy it was some experience !!

[coffee_rules]

In the slump years 2005-2007, if some expert had backed SRT , then nobody would have taken him seriously. Obviously, the epxerts are catering to a market. If now, they write the same thing they will look stupid. Most of the reaction is on present-time record, so, if somebody comes back to form, no expert should be held responsible for making the comments when he had a slump. Just as his fans had gone to into hiding at that time, the same experts will be hiding. They will come out of ther caves, when he fares bad or good in the case of his fans,

[Anakin]

Fail. You can criticize one's loss of form, but the things that were said were just below the belt and untrue, probably influenced by personal agenda. I'm talking about the real "experts". And for fans, actually most of us "worshipers" were not hiding during the slump, it's the "objective" ones who went into hibernation just a bit after that due to two reasons. The irony is, those objective ones still keep mocking others for blind worshiping. And again, lot of what those people said were just plain nasty. Nothing justifies any of these two groups of people.

[Chandan]

In the slump years 2005-2007' date= if some expert had backed SRT , then nobody would have taken him seriously. Obviously, the epxerts are catering to a market. If now, they write the same thing they will look stupid. Most of the reaction is on present-time record, so, if somebody comes back to form, no expert should be held responsible for making the comments when he had a slump. Just as his fans had gone to into hiding at that time, the same experts will be hiding. They will come out of ther caves, when he fares bad or good in the case of his fans,

Why not? Of course he should be held responsible for his every comment! Or don't you think the newspapers where these columns of the so called experts appeared would lose all its credidibility? There are some authors who have accepted their mistake in assessing Sachin while his injury period. One such author is Rohit Brijnath. Apart from him, I haven't read any other columnist owning up his mistake.

[CSK Fan]

In the slump years 2005-2007' date=' if some expert had backed SRT , then nobody would have taken him seriously. Obviously, the epxerts are catering to a market. If now, they write the same thing they will look stupid. Most of the reaction is on present-time record, so, if somebody comes back to form, no expert should be held responsible for making the comments when he had a slump. Just as his fans had gone to into hiding at that time, the same experts will be hiding. They will come out of ther caves, when he fares bad or good in the case of his fans,[/quote'] And of course that gives experts the license to call him selfish and a coward?

[coffee_rules]

Why not? Of course he should be held responsible for his every comment! Or don't you think the newspapers where these columns of the so called experts appeared would lose all its credidibility? There are some authors who have accepted their mistake in assessing Sachin while his injury period. One such author is Rohit Brijnath. Apart from him, I haven't read any other columnist owning up his mistake.

During the current economic downturn, we see a lot of flak given to the govt. When it's gets better, do we go back at all the people who had criticised the govt during the slump years? He was a walking wicket in that period (as was Dravid 6 months back). Remember the Mumbai test againt Eng, he gave away his wicket to an unknown old spinner. In that period, very few people would praise him and try to find out why he is in slump.

[Anakin]

Didn't know criticizing a player is the same as abusing, insulting and spreading lies about the player.

[Chandan]

During the current economic downturn' date=' we see a lot of flak given to the govt. When it's gets better, do we go back at all the people who had criticised the govt during the slump years?[/quote'] This analogy doesn't work. The job of govt is lot different from the job of a player.

He was a walking wicket in that period (as was Dravid 6 months back). Remember the Mumbai test againt Eng, he gave away his wicket to an unknown old spinner. In that period, very few people would praise him and try to find out why he is in slump.

If he was going through a slump, did the critics earn a right to call him whatever they wanted? Who were they to guess that Sachin was playing for money or records or selfishness or whatever? A critic's job is to analyse a player's game and his performance. He is not there to write about the player's so called intentions which he imagined some night! And these kind of critics go in a hiding whenever they are proved wrong! Just look at the shameless Manjrekar who is so conveniently taking a U-turn. But I don't think any cricket fan will take his words seriously now. He lost his credibility. As far as Dravid is concerned, I'm really glad that no one went after him like they did in case of Sachin. There were no cries of basking in past glory and playing just for money etc, and thank God for that.

[Mr. Wicket]

And these kind of critics go in a hiding whenever they are proved wrong! Just look at the shameless Manjrekar who is so conveniently taking a U-turn. But I don't think any cricket fan will take his words seriously now.

No different from about 95% of the people on here either. Notice how some people conveniently heap abuse upon Tendulkar if he fails or is zelfish, or knock Sehwag when possible, or call Dhoni a coward for missing a test series and then make their U-turns the moment they get egg on their face.

[Chandan]

No different from about 95% of the people on here either. Notice how some people conveniently heap abuse upon Tendulkar if he fails or is zelfish, or knock Sehwag when possible, or call Dhoni a coward for missing a test series and then make their U-turns the moment they get egg on their face.

Salil, People here can be forgiven for having those views. If they are not hard core fans, they will blow hot or cold along with the match results or players' performances. But they are fans. They are not paid by anyone to show their emotions. They spend their time, energy and money on watching the game and are free to show any emotions. They can't be held resposible for that or taking a U-turn. But one just cannot forgive a columnist who is paid money to give his expert views, to flip flop like a normal fan does. They will be and should held responsible for their views because many people read those columns to gain an insight to the game. If a columnist flip flops on his views, or doesn't accept that he committed a mistake while judging something, he loses his credibility like Manjrekar has for his terribly wrong views on many things and not having the decency to accept his mistake.

[Mr. Wicket]

But one just cannot forgive a columnist who is paid money to give his expert views' date=' to flip flop like a normal fan does. They will be and should held responsible for their views because many people read those columns to gain an insight to the game. If a columnist flip flops on his views, or doesn't accept that he committed a mistake while judging something, he loses his credibility like Manjrekar has for his terribly wrong views on many things and not having the decency to accept his mistake.[/quote'] Most of these columnists are normal fans but with a more public forum to put out their views. Some like Gideon Haigh, Sambit Bal and Ramachandra Guha are incredibly passionate and knowledgeable fans who have played as much cricket as many of us on here, but have tremendous insight, knowledge and can write very well and therefore command a great deal of respect. Many others like Anand Vasu and a bunch of the CI team simply do it for a job. And btw, what credibility? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/9759e42469d204d8/fe8a42a012f0f79a?hl=enfe8a42a012f0f79a Here's an old laugh.

[EnterTheVoid]

:creep:

[DomainK]

Indeed, what these so called experts did is inexcusable. Most of them are/were much lesser cricketers compared to Tendulkar and when they comment, somewhere they reflect an inferiority complex that has stayed in their subconscious minds for a long time. People like Kapil Dev need to understand that their comments carry a certain weightage and need to think before speaking. Especially when they speak ill of a cricketer much bigger than themselves.

[Anakin]

Endulkar anyone? This forum was a sight to behold at that time with so much expertise going around.

[achilles]

Some interesting criticism's in the OP.

[achilles]

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/9759e42469d204d8/fe8a42a012f0f79a?hl=enfe8a42a012f0f79a Here's an old laugh.

Nice share.

[Deleted_User_1]

He is in the form of his life, isn't he?

[Anakin]

May be not, he was so much better in the 90s than now.

[Jersey #10]

I have always believed that success is a process where there are stones thrown at you and you have got to turn them into milestones - Sachin Tendulkar