Indians still cannot play the short ball...

[Gambit]

I thought Nasser was spot on with the comments with regard to Raina but not anyone else. As many have said, Rohit can play the short ball well but played his shot too early. GG is a very good cutter and puller as well. Regarding Nasser's batting, he has arguably made the worst, most ugly and unattractive ODI 100(Natwest Final) in the history of cricket.He was a very gritty test bat though.

[fineleg]

West Indies vs India series starts - what happens? Cricinfo headline says: WINDIES "BOUNCE OUT" TWO WICKETS QUICKLY Another tournament, same thing going on

4.3 Ooh la la! the bouncer has done the trick. Again. That sinking Twenty20 feeling again. Well-directed pacy bouncer on the middle stump, from round the stumps, Gambhir took his eyes off the ball, yanked his head away from the line but tried to go through with the pull shot. Mistake. The ball took the top edge and lobbed to square leg. 25/1 7.2 Would you believe it? Another man goes down to the short-pitched delivery. Rohit goes for an unconvincing pull and top edges it to deep square-leg region. Taylor hadn't bowled a bouncer at Rohit and had kept him waiting. And Lionel Baker threw in the knockout punch with a short delivery outside off stump and Rohit tried to fetch it from there. 32/2

Same short pitch bowling and Gambhir and Nohit Sharma fall hook, line and sinker for that. Compulsive pullers or what? Pathetic, terrible shots, and they went one behind the other in procession. BuggersBeggars-of-IPL they have become This is worse than a throwback to decade(s) ago, when some of the Indian batsmen were so suspect against short pitch bowling!!!

[graphic23]

West Indies vs India series starts - what happens? Cricinfo headline says: WINDIES "BOUNCE OUT" TWO WICKETS QUICKLY Another tournament, same thing going on Same short pitch bowling and Gambhir and Nohit Sharma fall hook, line and sinker for that. Compulsive pullers or what? Pathetic, terrible shots, and they went one behind the other in procession. BuggersBeggars-of-IPL they have become This is worse than a throwback to decade(s) ago, when some of the Indian batsmen were so suspect against short pitch bowling!!!

I am lost. How is this IPL's fault ?

[Sachinism]

Bloody bouncers again

[fineleg]

Ignore the IPL part - I dont want to take away the focus from the main point of pathetic batting against short pitch bowling. Seems like Marshall, Joel Garner, Andy Roberts and Michael Holding attack they are facing :banghead: Edwards is not even in the team today (PS: you misunderstood the IPL part here - I was not blaming the IPL (in the above post), but more just venting my frustration, that they seem to have lost the way, and just keep throwing the bats around like they do sometimes in ipl/t20 - but again, I dont want to make this a IPL thread, so putting the focus back on the ineptness in handling short pitch bowling).

[King Tendulkar]

Any evidence of this alleged weakness needs to be done over a longer period. People are sterotyping all of the players with this Bull. Last decade shows we have no such weakness Gambhir for example got out to pull. But he has been unbeliavable in all forms of game, on all manner of surfaces. Yet now people lazily sterotyping him as not being able to play short stuff. I think he has done more then enough for example to show that is Bull

[fineleg]

^ Its not that GG cannot play the short ball, and earlier in the innings he needs to leave it alone. But he is doing this "ugly hoicks" and in fact many in the team seem to be doing that (after T20 WC evidence). And Nohit Shama repeats after that. Nothing learned after crashing out in the T20 WC.

[DomainK]

^ Its not that GG cannot play the short ball, and earlier in the innings he needs to leave it alone. But he is doing this "ugly hoicks" and in fact many in the team seem to be doing that (after T20 WC evidence). And Nohit Shama repeats after that. Nothing learned after crashing out in the T20 WC.

They haven't had time enough to learn. They deserve and need a breather.

[The Outsider]

Any evidence of this alleged weakness needs to be done over a longer period. People are sterotyping all of the players with this Bull. Last decade shows we have no such weakness

What has the last decade got to do with these players? Our batting line up for most of the last decade has been Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, and Ganguly. I have never heard any commentator, critic, or writer worth his salt that the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman cannot play the short ball. And even if they say about Sehwag and Ganguly, they qualify it with something like "they still have their effective way of scoring runs". You are the one guilty of generalizing to mean that if the above players could play short pitch bowling then the likes of Rohit and Raina can as well.

[King Tendulkar]

Shrama has not been done by pace and bounce. In fact he has been just way to early on it. He is young and will be fine, despite the verdicts of the some about him

[The Outsider]

Shrama has not been done by pace and bounce. In fact he has been just way to early on it. He is young and will be fine' date=' despite the verdicts of the some about him[/quote'] He might turn out to be fine - I like him a lot as well, the amount of time he has to play shots etc. but he won't help himself if he keeps pulling deliveries wide of off stump.

[King Tendulkar]

What has the last decade got to do with these players? Our batting line up for most of the last decade has been Tendulkar' date=' Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, and Ganguly. [b']I have never heard any commentator, critic, or writer worth his salt that the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman cannot play the short ball. And even if they say about Sehwag and Ganguly, they qualify it with something like "they still have their effective way of scoring runs". You are the one guilty of generalizing to mean that if the above players could play short pitch bowling then the likes of Rohit and Raina can as well.

Really!!! Last time we toured England thats all Nasser and the boys waffled on about. Kept waffling on about the great Sachin as well having this weakness. Net result India won the series! Penultimate time we toured oz again thats all they waffled on about. Remember the chin music jibes. Net result India robbed byBucknor and Ganguly smashes ton in Adeliade. We have being fighting this pants sterotype over last decade depite consistently proving it was rubbish. This sterotype is quickly seized upon by fellow indians as well to beat its own team with despite all evidence showing othertwise. In summary its all lazy sterotypiing based on a couple of 20/20 lottery matches.

[The Outsider]

Really!!! Last time we toured England thats all Nasser and the boys waffled on about. Kept waffling on about the great Sachin as well having this weakness. Net result India won the series!

Nasser was saying that Tendulkar has changed his style against the short ball preferring to leave/fend them rather than attack them, not that he cannot play short pitch bowling.

Penultimate time we toured oz again thats all they waffled on about. Remember the chin music jibes. Net result India robbed byBucknor and Ganguly smashes ton in Adeliade.

Yes at that time they did, but only apropos to Ganguly(who anyone would admit doesn't look comfortable against it) and the openers(who were still largely untested). In the same series, they also talked about and praised the short pitch tactics Indians employed against Waugh. Does not mean that Waugh became a rubbish batsman suddenly.

[graphic23]

Really!!! Last time we toured England thats all Nasser and the boys waffled on about. Kept waffling on about the great Sachin as well having this weakness. Net result India won the series! Penultimate time we toured oz again thats all they waffled on about. Remember the chin music jibes. Net result India robbed byBucknor and Ganguly smashes ton in Adeliade.

Brisbane. BTW, Sachin did not respond to majority of the short balls. He just took it on the body. Thats not whats being done here.

We have being fighting this pants sterotype over last decade depite consistently proving it was rubbish. This sterotype is quickly seized upon by fellow indians as well to beat its own team with despite all evidence showing othertwise. In summary its all lazy sterotypiing based on a couple of 20/20 lottery matches.

You are right in that we are judging them a tad too early, but based on the evidence so far, it seems unlikely that this is not a portrayal of the real picture unless they improve their techniques over the next few months.

[fineleg]

dsr, The point is not whether commentators talked poorly of which players. Point is SRT, VVS, RD can definitely play the short ball and they show good skill against it. Whether or not the commentators mentioned abt the present players (the ones in T20 WC) or not is irrelevant. Fact is they are behaving like bunnies against the short pitch bowling, and that too from ordinary bowlers too.

[King Tendulkar]

Well I will take 10 years of evidence over 1 months of evidence any day. Also Sachin and Sehwag are to come back in. And Laxy and Dravid in tests. Do they all have a weakness as well. Lets all clam down here!

[graphic23]

dsr, The point is not whether commentators talked poorly of which players. Point is SRT, VVS, RD can definitely play the short ball and they show good skill against it. Whether or not the commentators mentioned abt the present players (the ones in T20 WC) or not is irrelevant. Fact is they are behaving like bunnies against the short pitch bowling, and that too from ordinary bowlers too.

If you are looking at their career stats, then it may say that they are average/ordinary bowlers. But the performance today couldn't have been farther from that. They were bowling really well. You don't gain anything by constantly repeating that India failed against ordinary bowlers. Any bowler, on his day, can bowl really really well. Today, Taylor was bowling about as well as he probably could. He's had pace, accuracy, and he's thinking really well. The day that India fails against an ordinary performance is the day we have to start worrying. So far, all the teams who've beaten us have been better on that day.

[King Tendulkar]

dsr, The point is not whether commentators talked poorly of which players. Point is SRT, VVS, RD can definitely play the short ball and they show good skill against it. Whether or not the commentators mentioned abt the present players (the ones in T20 WC) or not is irrelevant. Fact is they are behaving like bunnies against the short pitch bowling, and that too from ordinary bowlers too.

Gambhir over last year and half hasnt been. Karthick isnt and Yuvraj isnt. Over hype of this. I could privide a whole montage of Ponting and KP falling to short ball. Suppose they have a weakness as well! Nasser should concentrae more on Luke Wright who is awful against short pitch ball and kept getting out to it in 20/20 WC. Don't they bowl bouncers in county cricket or do they just bowl floaty half volleys.

[fineleg]

Well I will take 10 years of evidence over 1 months of evidence any day. Also Sachin and Sehwag are to come back in. And Laxy and Dravid in tests. Do they all have a weakness as well. Lets all clam down here!

No they dont. But we are not talking about them. We are talking about Rohit, Raina, Dhoni, Yusuf Pathan, Ravi Jadeja and to some extent Gambhir (who used to struggle, got over it, seems like some old problem creeping in a bit for GG, but I'm more confident abt GG than the rest).

[DomainK]

I think there are some issues that can be worked out in the nets with practice.