Lord Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 ^ I dont think its outdated. Its a system that has worked for years and years, and there is a reason. However, what Dhoni needs to be able to do is rotate the strike consistently and every now and then get the pressure relieving boundary. Sangakkara's innings yesterday further highlights my point. He started off slow, and rightfully so, but he gradually picked up the pace (not through all out attack) but rather through good running between the wickets (which Dhoni is very capable of) and picking the gaps. Currently, Dhoni is getting bogged down. Bowlers are tying him down and he is not able to get off strike when he needs to. This is indicative of a man out of form. I think many of us are over-reacting here. Tactically, there was nothing too wrong. However, the way we executed our game plan left little to be desired. We didnt rotate the strike enough during the middle overs. If Dhoni was in good batting form, then he would have been able to do this and our scores would more likely have been up around 170 and people would have been hailing Dhoni as the master tactician. really?then wat explains Jadeja coming at 4 in crucial game against England?or Dhoni batting at 3 in all easy n important games ut suddenly sending out-of practice Raina wen the real games started?or dropping irfan instead of Ishant against England?we lost this cup due to stupid captaincy decisions n u r saying tactically there wasnt much wrong Link to comment
ritwik Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 the only approach that has worked is the bold aggressive approach of the aussies. they are the benchmark. explain. Link to comment
bharat297 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 really?then wat explains Jadeja coming at 4 in crucial game against England?or Dhoni batting at 3 in all easy n important games ut suddenly sending out-of practice Raina wen the real games started?or dropping irfan instead of Ishant against England?we lost this cup due to stupid captaincy decisions n u r saying tactically there wasnt much wrong By tactically, I meant the specific tactic we were discussing of consolidating early and going all-out at the end is not a poor tactic. The execution of that tactic (including who bats where and so on), yes was poor. I dont think Jadeja is an international cricketer yet and should never have been picked on tour (especially when the likes of Karthik or Kohli were in the mix). Link to comment
bharat297 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 the only approach that has worked is the bold aggressive approach of the aussies. they are the benchmark. Based on the success the Aussies have had in T20? Link to comment
Lord Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 By tactically' date=' I meant the specific tactic we were discussing of consolidating early and going all-out at the end is not a poor tactic. The execution of that tactic (including who bats where and so on), yes was poor. I dont think Jadeja is an international cricketer yet and should never have been picked on tour (especially when the likes of Karthik or Kohli were in the mix).[/quote'] but thats where we faltered ,as youngindia said u need to gradually increase the risk taking from full safety to throwing caution to the windows.the tactic of consolidating for 1st 10 overs n then trying to make up is never gonna work in today's game n not surprisingly,it failed India too Link to comment
bharat297 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 ^ Yeah and thats what I meant. A Dhoni in good batting form would have been able to do this (gradually increase the tempo). Unfortunately, his batting form deteriorated over the past few months. As a result it seemed like poor captaincy but I dont think it was any different a style of captaincy than what has won us many matches over the past 2 years. I think Dhoni tried to bring himself into form by promoting himself up the order against the minnows, and then when he saw he wasnt in any better form, he brought Raina back up the order. The Jadeja experiment though was a failure, no doubt. Link to comment
Lord Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 ^ Yeah and thats what I meant. A Dhoni in good batting form would have been able to do this (gradually increase the tempo). Unfortunately' date=' his batting form deteriorated over the past few months. As a result it seemed like poor captaincy but I dont think it was any different a style of captaincy than what has won us many matches over the past 2 years. I think Dhoni tried to bring himself into form by promoting himself up the order against the minnows, and then when he saw he wasnt in any better form, he brought Raina back up the order. The Jadeja experiment though was a failure, no doubt.[/quote'] well wen ur coming at 3 consistently,u may or may notget into form,but surely u getting the regular guy out of form.if Dhoni wasnt able to runs n two then he should have come in Powerplays.n Raina should have come after powerplays where supposedly he could have rotated the strike better. the Matches that we won u r referring to were ODI matches.u need completely different approach in T20 matches n u need quick n right decisions to be made at most times Link to comment
Ram Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Too much is being made out of a solitary tournament loss. Some of these guys should get a sense of perespective soon. Link to comment
Lord Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Too much is being made out of a solitary tournament loss. Some of these guys should get a sense of perespective soon. i dont think so.we have lost,so there is an analysis of where we went wrong.its a regular exercise.i dont think anyone is calling for anyone's heads,so i'm fine with this Link to comment
hassan_113 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Since when does Yusuf Pathan equate with Jadeja?! Yusuf Pathan is the only reason India got so close to England! Otherwise Dhoni would have stared at a 15-20 run defeat. Link to comment
youngindia Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Based on the success the Aussies have had in T20? they didn't have mcgrath by then and were on way to losing gilchrist and hayden.otherwise, their older teams will still dominate. All the four semifinalists had glaring weaknesses. its pity we could not take advantage of it with our troubles. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 India never handles the pressure when they are favorites to win. When the tournament started all the bookies favorites were India. They do well when they are underdogs. Link to comment
youngindia Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Since when does Yusuf Pathan equate with Jadeja?! Yusuf Pathan is the only reason India got so close to England! Otherwise Dhoni would have stared at a 15-20 run defeat. he is not strong enough in foundation to be a specialist batsman. hence he does not have the same value as a yuvraj singh with his experience and also range of shots.raman was alluding to that. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Too much is being made out of a solitary tournament loss. Some of these guys should get a sense of perespective soon. We failed to win a single match against a non minnow. That is an alarming decline - whether it's temporary or prolonged is another discussion though. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Actually India lost two T20s even before T20 cup. Time to analyze what made some of the teams more consistent. It is the bowling. Bowling wins you matches. India has resigned to the fact they have a strong batting line up they can outbat anyone in the world. Not enough attention is paid to bowling. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Too much is being made out of a solitary tournament loss. Some of these guys should get a sense of perespective soon. lol.. it wasnt a fluke loss... we were completely outplayed not for once.. for thrice int his WC and twice against NZ Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Actually India lost two T20s even before T20 cup. Time to analyze what made some of the teams more consistent. It is the bowling. Bowling wins you matches. India has resigned to the fact they have a strong batting line up they can outbat anyone in the world. Not enough attention is paid to bowling. and we dint bat like we had a weak bowling.. Link to comment
Freedom Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Mr. WV Raman, please enlighten us of your contribution to Indian cricket apart from that one century in SA that you got iin your lifetime.Can you answer why India consistently failed when you were a part of the team? Same applies Sanjay f*&(ing Manjrekar All these guys like Manjrkar and Raman annoy the helll out of Indian fans. Some please get their Mic and shove it in the freakin ar$$$$es Link to comment
nballa Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 the fall?? what is the guy smoking? Link to comment
Kumble Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Mr. WV Raman' date=' please enlighten us of your contribution to Indian cricket apart from that one century in SA that you got iin your lifetime.[/quote'] Everyone is entitled for an opinion and he did raise some good points. WV Raman has better achievements than anyone of us on this discussion board. If we can give our 2 cents, he certainly can throw a quarter Link to comment
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