Emerging Players' Tournament 2009

[kabira]

>You may check last two years Ranji coverage on this forum only. You'll see that Kohli is not anywhere. So, forget about tests for him till he proves himself at FC matches. But 08-09 was Kohli first class season. so why you say two years. Remember he belted full Aussie attack in that warm up game. He could be good middle order player. But yes let him play 2-3 seasons in Ranji, go to A tours.

[hari504504]

I exepct Kohli to be called ino the nat'l squad for the next tour we will have after CT

[ludhianvi]

Is it just me or Kohli's strokeplay is limited?

[rahulrulezz]

I dont understand logic of some of the ppl here...Why do ppl like u Justarrived, Ludhianvi think that any emerging batsmen who are aggresive like Kohli, Nayyar, Tiwary are not supposed to have good technique and strokeplay to play International cricket but defensive, boring have perfect technique to play ... at the end of the day, as Sehwag said, "Its scoring runs which matters not showing off forward, front foot defensive shots"...

[Guest gaurav_indian]

I dont understand logic of some of the ppl here...Why do ppl like u Justarrived' date=' Ludhianvi think that any emerging batsmen who are aggresive like Kohli, Nayyar, Tiwary are not supposed to have good technique and strokeplay to play International cricket but defensive, boring have perfect technique to play ... at the end of the day, as [b']Sehwag said, "Its scoring runs which matters not showing off forward, front foot defensive shots"...

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[ludhianvi]

I dont understand logic of some of the ppl here...Why do ppl like u Justarrived' date=' Ludhianvi think that any emerging batsmen who are aggresive like Kohli, Nayyar, Tiwary are not supposed to have good technique and strokeplay to play International cricket but defensive, boring have perfect technique to play ... at the end of the day, as Sehwag said, "Its scoring runs which matters not showing off forward, front foot defensive shots"...[/quote'] I just mentioned that I find that his strokes are limited. But that does not mean that he has bad technique or that he wont succeed at the international. Actually, I find Kohli to be a defensive batsman not an attacking one. I know he has scored quite a few runs at the FC level but from what i've seen, he seems to get bogged down under pressure. But that's just my observations.

[Chandan]

>You may check last two years Ranji coverage on this forum only. You'll see that Kohli is not anywhere. So, forget about tests for him till he proves himself at FC matches. But 08-09 was Kohli first class season. so why you say two years. Remember he belted full Aussie attack in that warm up game. He could be good middle order player. But yes let him play 2-3 seasons in Ranji, go to A tours.

Actually Kohli's FC debut was in 2006 when he debuted against TN. Scorecard Since then he has played only 21 matches and was nowhere in the list of leading run scorers. And I also think that we should watch his temperament more in the longer version of the game and A tours are a must now that we have start building the test from next year. I just do not understand why Indians don't go on A tours to Australia and SA like Pakistan went this year or Lanka went last year.

[jusarrived]

Chandan , I have seen Rahane play enuf , not necessarily against Fast bowlers ...but i cant tell you where he will struggle ..in short , you need that little extra to play for india , whatever your achievements at domestic level ..i dont see that with Rahane . as for Badri , i used the word 'stop gap' remember ? hes no world beater , but looks quite compact & has loads of experience behind him ...we will need to fill in test places of Darvid , Tendulkar , VVs and Ganguly in a very short span ...would you be comfortable with 4 batsmen in their early 20s making up our test teams middle order ? thats where Badri can be useful , with his loads of domestic experience behind him for a few years .

[jusarrived]

I dont understand logic of some of the ppl here...Why do ppl like u Justarrived' date=' Ludhianvi think that any emerging batsmen who are aggresive like Kohli, Nayyar, Tiwary are not supposed to have good technique and strokeplay to play International cricket but defensive, boring have perfect technique to play ... at the end of the day, as Sehwag said, "Its scoring runs which matters not showing off forward, front foot defensive shots"...[/quote'] dont know why you have included me in there ? Kholi & Thiwary are test material ...Nayar is not ...but then again , its not cos hes a stroke maker .

[graphic23]

Chandan , I have seen Rahane play enuf , not necessarily against Fast bowlers ...but i cant tell you where he will struggle ..in short , you need that little extra to play for india , whatever your achievements at domestic level ..i dont see that with Rahane . as for Badri , i used the word 'stop gap' remember ? hes no world beater , but looks quite compact & has loads of experience behind him ...we will need to fill in test places of Darvid , Tendulkar , VVs and Ganguly in a very short span ...would you be comfortable with 4 batsmen in their early 20s making up our test teams middle order ? thats where Badri can be useful , with his loads of domestic experience behind him for a few years .

A monkey with a paddle bat is more useful than Badri in our test middle order. That is my "opinion" just as you have said regarding Rahane.

[kabira]

Actually Kohli's FC debut was in 2006 when he debuted against TN. Scorecard Since then he has played only 21 matches and was nowhere in the list of leading run scorers. And I also think that we should watch his temperament more in the longer version of the game and A tours are a must now that we have start building the test from next year. I just do not understand why Indians don't go on A tours to Australia and SA like Pakistan went this year or Lanka went last year.

yes what I meant was this was his first season where he was permanent member of the Delhi squad.

[Sachinism]

I'm shocked at the number of people knocking Kohli here. The guy has been playing some brilliant cricket quite a few months. He seems to have a decent technique too. He performed pretty well when he got a chance for India vs SL, he done well against the Aussies while playing for Board Presidents XI, he performed brilliantly for Delhi especially in the limited over games, he played some pretty good knocks and showed glimpses of brilliance during the IPL and now has had an excellent emerging players tournament. Add to that he is a very good fielder, he has a good cricketing brain, he definitely deserves some chances

[Chandan]

Chandan , I have seen Rahane play enuf , not necessarily against Fast bowlers ...but i cant tell you where he will struggle ..in short , you need that little extra to play for india , whatever your achievements at domestic level ..i dont see that with Rahane . as for Badri , i used the word 'stop gap' remember ? hes no world beater , but looks quite compact & has loads of experience behind him ...we will need to fill in test places of Darvid , Tendulkar , VVs and Ganguly in a very short span ...would you be comfortable with 4 batsmen in their early 20s making up our test teams middle order ? thats where Badri can be useful , with his loads of domestic experience behind him for a few years .

I haven't seen Rahane enough to make such judgements. And I'm willing to stand for him at the moment seeing that he did exceptionally well even in alien circumstances, pitch and against resonably good bowlers. Few of bowlers like NZ's Southee or AIS ones or even SA's one aren't as slow as Kulkarni is. They all bowl in 140s. If he did so well against them, I won't write him off without watching him for a reasonable period. And age doesn't matter for me even in tests. If a batsman is as good as Sachin, I can gave him even when he is 16, in the test team. Just for age, I'll never let a player like Badri even come near the Indian team.

I'm shocked at the number of people knocking Kohli here. The guy has been playing some brilliant cricket quite a few months. He seems to have a decent technique too.

Don't think anyone is knocking down Kohli for limited overs cricket. In fact I suppose all the forummers have advocated him for ODIs, It is tests which many of us are apprehensive at, not because he lacks ability in that format but because he lacks enough experience. Anyway, can we go the review of the tournament, available in media? REVIEW: SA : Review-1

What was particularly pleasing was that South Africa was represented by a far less experienced squad than India had at its disposal. Four of the Indian players — Virat Kohli, Subramaniam Badrinath, Abhishek Nayar and Amit Mishra — have represented their country at full international level, while most of the others have played in the IPL and also had substantial first-class experience. The only current internationals in the South African side were Van Jaarsveld and Lonwabo Tsotsobe, while batsmen such as Rilee Rossouw, Stiaan van Zyl and Dean Elgar have limited first-class experience.

The Emerging Players’ tournament has become the most important feeder for the Proteas. Players who have gone on to represent the country at senior level are Imraan Khan, JP Duminy, Justin Ontong, Vaughn van Jaarsveld, Johan Botha, Morne Morkel, Wayne Parnell and Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

Review-2

National team coach Mickey Arthur was delighted with the way the side, consisting of players regarded as having the potential to play at international level, had performed during the tournament under the direction of Corrie van Zyl, the recently appointed Cricket SA high-performance coach. “We picked a side of players we wanted to have a look at,” said Arthur. “What is encouraging is how many of the players produced good performances in Australia. I have been in touch with Corrie and he is quite excited.” Farhaan Behardien and Heino Kuhn hit centuries during the tournament while skipper Vaughn van Jaarsveld, Dean Elgar, Rossouw, Davids and Stiaan van Zyl all hit at least one half-century. CJ de Villiers, Tsotsobe, Rusty Theron, Basheer Walters, Thandi Tshabalala and Craig Alexander all impressed at various times with the ball, led by De Villiers, who took five for 15 against the Australians. Arthur said the appointment of Van Zyl followed an analysis of South Africa’s poor performance in a one-day series in England last year. “After we won the Test series in England last year the one-day players joined us cold, without proper preparation or medical screening,” said Arthur. “Albie Morkel arrived carrying an injury. We were not helped by the fact that it rained a lot leading into the series, but we won’t allow something like that to happen again. “I spoke to (chief executive) Gerald Majola about it and the result was the appointment of Corrie to do what I regard as a hugely critical job. He will help bridge the gap between the SA under-19 side and the South Africa A team, and he will also be a key communicator with the franchises. He will also be in charge of players who are about to join a tour, either as one-day or Test specialists, and he will spend about 10 days with them before their departure to make sure they are properly prepared.” Arthur said the emerging players tour was an important stepping stone. “It is encouraging to confirm that there is a lot of depth in South African cricket at the moment,” he said.

NZ : Review

Given the form of LLLLLWLL, the statistics do not make for very pretty reading, as opposed to last year's Jesse Ryder-led campaign. The number-crunch was accompanied by one pithy comment from our human abacus in the United Kingdom: "Get your teeth into these, six players have reasonable records, the rest are probably just on holiday!" The six who have managed to keep their heads above the water are: * Skipper Fulton, who has scored 120 runs more than any other player in the squad at a shade under 40. Along with Watling, he is one of only two recognised batsman to have averaged better than 25 on tour. * BJ Watling, who lifted his aggregate by 94 runs in the eighth tour match, sending his average soaring from 13 to 44 overnight, helped along by the fact he was unbeaten. * Part-time "batsman" Nick Beard - a left-arm spinner and budding sports journalist. * Leggie Tarun Nethula is another who has put many of the genuine batsmen to shame with a highly competent 42 from 61 balls also on the most recent game, along with a 1*. * On the bowling front, only two have averaged better than 30 - Neil Wagner and Tim Southee. The latter's 11 wickets is stellar in relation to his peers, while the former joins Lance Shaw as the bowlers to concede fewer than 5 runs per over. Young opener Jeetan Raval is certainly in the doldrums with just 17 runs in his four knocks, while incumbent Black Cap Martin Guptill will be disappointed in his return, along with Kane Williamson, who is often mentioned in dispatches as an international player-in-waiting. On the bowling front, most have gone for plenty with Hamish Bennett and Tarun Nethula the least economical out-and-out bowlers. Notable players in the tournament include recent New Zealand tourists Dhawal Kulkarni and Amit Mishra representing India, $300k IPL player Moises Henriques and Indian bowlers Rahul Shukla and Nizar Niyas from the MRF Pace Foundation representing the AIS, and Thandi Tshabalala and Lonwabo Tsotsobe in South African colours. The previous winners of the Emerging Player Tournament have been Karnataka (India) in 2005, South Africa (2006 and 2007) and New Zealand last year. This year's final is between India and South Africa.

Unfortunately, no such review or reaction is there for India or AIS. What I got for our team was : INDIA :Reaction

Team played as a unit, says Amre Mumbai: The India Emerging Players notched up its first championship title win in Brisbane, Australia, on Saturday putting it across the fancied South Africa Emerging Players. The Indian team coached by Praveen Amre will not bring home any trophy, but will come home with some mementos, a group photograph for the albums, and with the satisfaction of having gone through a learning curve in a tournament played with Duke and Kookaburra balls, coloured white, orange and green. “It was a good team performance right through the tournament. We played nine matches, including two T20 matches against Australia and New Zealand and won five, most importantly the final. All contributed “We were not given a chance to win the tournament that was really tough, but many players of the team rose to the occasion. So it’s difficult to pick a single player. “Virat Kohli was outstanding with the bat and Ajinkya Rahane (27 points) lost the player of the tournament award to South Africa’s Cornelius de Villiers (28 points). Sudip Tyagi with 14 wickets was adjudged the best bowler of the 50-overs tournament. Leg-spinner Amit Mishra also took 11 wickets,” Amre said from Brisbane. Amre said Tyagi, Abhishek Nayar and Mishra had injury problems, but the Indian team played as a cohesive unit. “The South Africans had won eight matches on the trot and was the favourite for the final. But Kohli and Wriddhiman Saha showed tremendous character. Saha kept wickets very well,” said Amre, clearly delighted with his first stint as coach of the Emerging Players.

That is all I could get for India. It is clear that India doesn't take this tournament seriously!

[Lord]

watch Rahane against genuine pace , you will see the difference ...hes has very little time to play his shots & is good candidate for lbws & very questionable foot work...limited player , who looks good playing against avg sides/domestic ..in wasim Jaffer mould . my picks : Virat Kohli : (posted the same in old icf ) :D Kohli has always impressed me ..equally good both on the front and back foot ...arguably the best player of spin in India ..& superb timing ..all the makings of a class batsmen ..only worry is that , hes capable of going the Yuvraj way ..very questionable temperament Rohit Sharma : hasnt had the greatest of starts to his international career , but i have seen only tendulkar have the amount of time sharma has to play his shots ... very similar technique to kholi playing pace , but not the greatest players of spin ...he will be a perfect no4 for india in tests Badri is alright for a stop gap option for 2-3 years ..need to see more of Murali Vijay & Pujara , though pujara has looked quite good of the little i have seen of him . Nayar good for T20s , or may be ODIs..but not test material ...!

i wont mind if he goes Yuvraj way,for all his follies,Yuvraj takes his game very seriously,he shouldn't go Kambli way though

[Sachinism]

Don't think anyone is knocking down Kohli for limited overs cricket. In fact I suppose all the forummers have advocated him for ODIs, It is tests which many of us are apprehensive at, not because he lacks ability in that format but because he lacks enough experience.

My bad. But give the lad a chance in limited overs games, expose him to some of the best international bowlers, lets see how he fares against them. If he does well he can be given a chance in tests, I'm sure he can block and if he doesn't block too often, its not the worst thing in the world, we have many international players who go in and just play their shots in the test matches

[Chandan]

My bad. But give the lad a chance in limited overs games' date=' expose him to some of the best international bowlers, lets see how he fares against them. If he does well he can be given a chance in tests, I'm sure he can block and if he doesn't block too often, its not the worst thing in the world, [b']we have many international players who go in and just play their shots in the test matches

Who is that apart from Sehwag? And Sehwag too has the licence to do that only because the MO is strong and can handle the loss of an early wicket. And Sehwag has shown that he can stay at the crease for a long long time as well. Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman all can play grinding inning too if needed. We need those kind of players who can play shots as well as can buckle down if the situation demands. Test cricket is not some hit and giggle stuff I'm afraid!

[Sachinism]

Who is that apart from Sehwag? And Sehwag too has the licence to do that only because the MO is strong and can handle the loss of an early wicket. And Sehwag has shown that he can stay at the crease for a long long time as well. Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman all can play grinding inning too if needed. We need those kind of players who can play shots as well as can buckle down if the situation demands. Test cricket is not some hit and giggle stuff I'm afraid!

Not just India, there are many around the world. But I agree Test cricket is not just a laugh. You will be tested in some very demanding situations, both physically and mentally. But in modern test cricket, we're finding more and more players are a lot more attacking than they used to be, and we can't deny someone if they're performing (if he does well once he gets a chance in the ODI team) just because they play too few defensive shots.

[saneindian]

Winning the trophy in shorter format is fine but at the same time it would have been wonderful if the India A team could have stayed back in Aus and played 3-4 first class games ( 4-day games) there against Aus A. Our A team besides the emeging players tournament hasn't had a first class tour of SA, Eng, NZ or even SL for a long long time. That I believe is stalling the progress of our youngsters. Rahane, Kohli or Saha will gain more confidence by scoring a first class 100 against an Aus A attack of Bollinger, Tait, Nannes, Krejza and co. And these first class games will tell us how prepared our youngsters are to go through the grind of test cricket. WIll the BCCI start to focus on the India A tours besides wasting their energy in lottery series such as IPL and CL?

[Chandan]

WIll the BCCI start to focus on the India A tours besides wasting their energy in lottery series such as IPL and CL?

How I wish! But perhaps BCCI will never focus on anything which doesn't fetch money. It doesn't care if we're good at test cricket or not, if we are preparing our players for the ultimate challenge or not. Just look at Pakistan. They sent their A team to Australia just last month and are having a series with SL A right now. This will certainly prepare their second string well for tests!

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Srikkanth pleased with depth in Indian cricket "This shows there is plenty of depth in Indian cricket," Srikkanth told the Hindu. "The pitches in Brisbane offered assistance to the pacemen but our batsmen came through the test. Our own pacemen and spinners also impressed." More... Emerging Players Tournament 2009 Srikkanth pleased with depth in Indian cricket Cricinfo staff August 4, 2009 Kris Srikkanth, India's chairman of selectors, has praised the way the Indian batsmen adjusted to the pace and bounce of the wickets in Australia during the Emerging Players Tournament which concluded last week. India took the 50-over title with a 17-run win over South Africa at the Allan Border Field in Brisbane on Saturday. "This shows there is plenty of depth in Indian cricket," Srikkanth told the Hindu. "The pitches in Brisbane offered assistance to the pacemen but our batsmen came through the test. Our own pacemen and spinners also impressed." India were inconsistent during the tournament, winning and losing four games in the lead-up to the final. South Africa were the overwhelming favourites to take the title, having won all eight games, but failed to chase down a challenging 284 in the final. The in-form opener Virat Kohli (104) and wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha (74) were the top performers with the bat while the Uttar Pradesh fast bowler Sudeep Tyagi took 4 for 74 to derail the chase. The Indian captain S Badrinath echoed Srikkanth's views and praised the stand-out performers. Kohli was the leading run-scorer with 398 runs, including two centuries and as many fifties, while Tyagi led the wicket charts with 14 wickets. "The pitches had some pace and bounce in them and we had very little time to adjust to the new surroundings," Badrinath said. "Once we found our bearings, we grew in confidence. "He (Tyagi) is tall, gets bounce and bowls a nice line. Tyagi has a lot of promise. Other pacemen Dhawal Kulkarni, Bhuveshwar Kumar and left-armer Pradeep Sangwan also bowled well. All of us contributed. Yet, I must say, opener Virat Kohli was outstanding. Some of the shots he played spoke about his ability." Bdarinath, however, was unhappy with the Duke balls used in the tournament. "They experimented with these balls during the day games since the white ball tended to get muddy," he said. "But I was not happy with the new balls. They did too much early on and became soft too soon."