Mr. Wicket Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Or is sticking with a strugging Bopara and Bell, or giving a chance to unsure players like Rob Key or a debutant like Jon Trott in such a crucial game a bigger risk? Discuss. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 i dont think it would make much of a difference now but they should bring in Trott who i read is playing well this season. Link to comment
Don Sharma Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 If I was Strauss, I would persuade Trescothick to make one final appearance. But if he turns it down then Trott has to be the man. Link to comment
Mr. Wicket Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Trescothick has made it clear earlier that he is done with int'l cricket, doesn't have the mind and will for it and is happy to just remain a domestic bully. Ramps for a long time has still been making runs and wanting to make one return. Link to comment
goose Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's childish not to consider him. Link to comment
Don Sharma Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I was having a look at the leading run getters of County Championship and I was surprised to see Michael Carberry at #2. I haven't watched a lot of him..not sure how good he is. Nevertheless, he boosts an average of 64 this season, so I guess he is a pretty good bat. Maybe, he can replace Bell and Trott for Bopara. Picking Ramprakash is a step backward, I am afraid. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Ramps has been in unbelievable form of late, he has scored a ton of runs in the last 2 seasons as well. He's become somewhat of a run machine, plus the final test is at his home ground. It wouldn't be so bad to consider him. That middle order scored nothing in the 4th test, so why not? Link to comment
Ram Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hmm, this is a toughie. Its like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I am not sure of the composition of the England squad for the Ashes, but if they already have another batsmen in the reserve (which they should), surely they should pick him first, before flying in an emergency replacement. Secondly, employing such a drastic measure signals a measure of desperation and is bound to boost the morale of the opposition. That cannot be a good thing. Finally, what if he comes in and scores a handy 55 and England still go on to lose? Will they keep him for the next test or will it be a one-off move? Will it be Business-as-Usual for the next test series, with the regular batsmen coming back? Besides, how capable is Ramprakash of handling the stresses and strains related to an international match? Its ok to blast tons of runs in County cricket, but can he translate that into runs, in a stage as important as the deciding test of an Ashes? On the basis of logic, it may look like something that can be tried out, but philosophically I am not able to reconcile with the long-term message such a move would send. So, I don’t think they should bring him back. Link to comment
sangrock Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 ^^ Yeah.. I agree with you. I don't think Bopara should be done with right now. Bell should make way for Flintoff. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hmm, this is a toughie. Its like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I am not sure of the composition of the England squad for the Ashes, but if they already have another batsmen in the reserve (which they should), surely they should pick him first, before flying in an emergency replacement. Secondly, employing such a drastic measure signals a measure of desperation and is bound to boost the morale of the opposition. That cannot be a good thing. Finally, what if he comes in and scores a handy 55 and England still go on to lose? Will they keep him for the next test or will it be a one-off move? Will it be Business-as-Usual for the next test series, with the regular batsmen coming back? Besides, how capable is Ramprakash of handling the stresses and strains related to an international match? Its ok to blast tons of runs in County cricket, but can he translate that into runs, in a stage as important as the deciding test of an Ashes? On the basis of logic, it may look like something that can be tried out, but philosophically I am not able to reconcile with the long-term message such a move would send. So, I don’t think they should bring him back. Good points there. It is a difficult choice, but I guess if its going to be a one-off there really isn't a point in bringing him in, rather let Trott have a go. Link to comment
braguvaran Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 He will be P***ing on his pants while facing johno... There may be a tragedy for him if jhonno will bowl the bouncers Link to comment
Sooda Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Rob Key for me. Bopara should go and a number 3 should take his place. Key has been is good from this season too for his county and unlike Trott has intl experience. Ramps as Sriram points out would be a backward step as he's surely not a long term bet and test cricket versus Australia at 38? Trott, it would be a bit unfair to put st into an ashes decider, and he cant bat at three. Playing him would mean Bell at numer 3 (shudder) Link to comment
goose Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 who cares if it's a one-off ? screw the msg it sends out! it's the deciding test of the Ashes for god's sake ! Eng sorely need a cricketer of pedigree in their ranks. who better than the Bradman of 1st class cricket? Link to comment
Sooda Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Is Ramps a 'cricketer of pedigree' though? Ave of 27 in 50 tests? Link to comment
Sooda Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Interestingly Matty Haydos says- no changes: This is the same team that best Aus not long ago and maybe sticking with Bopara will help his confidence. He is most defo not a long term number three though Link to comment
Mr. Wicket Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Is Ramps a 'cricketer of pedigree' though? Ave of 27 in 50 tests? He had a mediocre record, which wasn't helped by 16 of those tests being vs. some pretty darn impressive WI attacks including Marshall and Patterson back in '91 and the likes of Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop at other times. FWIW Ramps had a history of playing mostly v. some damn good attacks (7 games v. SAF, 12 v. Aus, 16 v. WI - not many against India, Sri Lanka or weaker teams in the 90s). And even then he did do well vs. Australia averaging 40+ against them (no mean feat given the bowlers he was up against in that decade). Now with more experience and maturity he might still be a better bet for runs than a Bopara who's good for bashing up a disinterested WI attack or a Bell who feasts on softer bowling lineups on easier pitches and does little when it counts. Re. the Hayden quote, hardly a surprise given that after being backed for 25 innings without a decent score at one point going up to the Oval test of '05, he's the last guy who'd be calling for people's axings after a few bad games. Link to comment
goose Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 If picked he'll become the centre of attention overnight which itself will help the rest of the side never mind his own performance. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Who is Ramprakash http://tinyurl.com/m28k72 Link to comment
DomainK Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/m28k72 :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: Link to comment
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