We are losing the finals to Lanka..for sure.

[Gambit]

No one is denying his run making prowess' date=' nor the fact that he had been a prodigy. But surely, Kapil Dev knows what he is talking.[/quote'] Kapil was an awesome cricketer and everyone loved him but that does not mean his opinions cannot be misplaced or should not be questioned. Kapil also said this -

Kapil, who recently turned 50, felt Tendulkar's only place is next to Don Bradman of Australia and putting him anywhere below that mark was an injustice to the batting maestro. "Take Tendulkar's case. All modern bowlers agree that he has been the most outstanding opponent in all conditions. Brian Lara comes closest to him. To be told that Tendulkar is not among the best 20 of all time is indeed laughable. We all accept Don Bradman as the all time best but there can be no other candidate for the number two slot than Tendulkar", he said.

Link Surely he knows what he is talking about?

[patriot]

Kapil was an awesome cricketer and everyone loved him but that does not mean his opinions cannot be misplaced or should not be questioned. Kapil also said this - Link Surely he knows what he is talking about?

LOL...bad attempt at manipulation. NO one denies that SRT is a truely great player , one of our and the world's best - Its his failure to ease India through real crunch, pressure situations that Kapil Dev was clearly criticizing. ANother one who's probably known him as well as anyone - Sanjay Manjrekar , a fellow Mumbaikar at great personal and professional risk..vents out http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/feb/25manj.htm

"Another problem that India have these days when they bat second on a good pitch, is that their most experienced batsman, who bats at such an influential position in the batting order, becomes almost redundant," he wrote in his column for the Times of India. Tendulkar has failed to get going in the ongoing tri-series having managed just 128 runs in seven matches at a lowly average of 18.28. Manjrekar also pointed out that in the last 51 One-day internationals, Tendulkar's batting average when he bats first is 62.10 in 24 innings. In contrast when he bats second, it's 26.00 in 27 innings The former Mumbai batsman also seem puzzled as to why no one is talking about Tendulkar's poor form. Senior pros like Rahul Dravid [images] and Sourav Ganguly [images] were shown the door from the ODI team after a few failures and youngsters were inducted in their place. 'But with Tendulkar, it's like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about,' Manjrekar writes. Manjrekar believes that Tendulkar seems to let the team down the most when chasing big targets.

SRT took this really to heart and then fired in the finals of that CB - first time after a LONG LONG time.

[The Outsider]

SRT took this really to heart and then fired in the finals of that CB - first time after a LONG LONG time.

:laugh: Yeah, Tendulkar was waiting for Ramiz Raja's joru to criticize him before he could motivate himself to perform in the CB series. Whose joru motivated him when he top scored in the '96 and '03 WCs?

[patriot]

:laugh: Yeah, Tendulkar was waiting for Ramiz Raja's joru to criticize him before he could motivate himself to perform in the CB series. Whose joru motivated him when he top scored in the '96 and '03 WCs?

I wish half the anger that SRT showed in that near double ton against Namibia in the 03 WC he should have showed in the final against Australia- even a fighting half century would have reduced humiliation for us. But yeah he was the top scorer in the 2003 WC.

[Gambit]

LOL...bad attempt at manipulation. NO one denies that SRT is a truely great player ' date=' one of our and the world's best - Its his failure to ease India through real crunch, pressure situations that Kapil Dev was clearly criticizing. [/quote'] How was that an 'attempt at manipulation'? I simply quoted something that came out of Kapil Dev's mouth, someone whose opinion who obviously regard highly as evident in the post I replied to. Surely you aren't going to question him now?

[The Outsider]

I wish half the anger that SRT showed in that near double ton against Namibia in the 03 WC he should have showed in the final against Australia- even a fighting half century would have reduced humiliation for us. But yeah he was the top scorer in the 2003 WC.

We would have joined our neighbors on an early flight back were it not for him - I am sure you would have enjoyed that even more.:yay: BTW, what's your definition of "hardly any" - surely it can't take you so long to remember?

[patriot]

We would have joined our neighbors on an early flight back were it not for him - I am sure you would have enjoyed that even more.:yay:

Yeah..we needed him more against Namibia ..than against Australia. :winky: You sound like someone who enjoyed that LOOOONG phase, when SRT made many a fan (who had their hopes high after his exploits in 97-98) raise false expectations only to see constant failure - the kind Kapil Dev talks about , when we needed him the most.

[Gambit]

Yeah..we needed him more against Namibia ..than against Australia. :winky:

What Outsider is saying that had it not been for SRT, we would not have even made it to the finals.

You sound like someone who enjoyed that near decade phase, when SRT made many a fan (who had their hopes high after his exploits in 97-98) raise false expectations only to see constant failure - the kind Kapil Dev talks about , when we needed him the most.

So you accept that he is the second greatest bat of all time like Kapil said?

[The Outsider]

^ I take it you are not going to define "hardly any" so either you don't understand the meaning of what you type or you just type down stuff you feel embarrassed to defend. Either way you are quite a funny character.

[The Outsider]

Yeah..we needed him more against Namibia ..than against Australia. :winky:

In the '96 Semi Final he top scored only to see the rest of the team conquer Puraana Quila. :eyedance:

[zubinpepsi]

Sanjay Manjrekar , a fellow Mumbaikar at great personal and professional risk.

when somoene brings majrekar for his defense... u know tht his case is lost already.... :cantstop: self-pwnage continues.... :two_thumbs_up:

[TSAG_RGB]

Nice effort. The first " bura daur" of Jaya that you show is 91-97 - where all bar one year he was batting lower down, in the side as a bowler who could pinch hit - opening the innings only in the mid 90's - Winning player of the 96 World Cup.

Only in the first innings of that streak did he bat at 7. In all the other innings he opened.

If you look at the string of " failures " of these 2 where they have averaged 25 -30odd in finals - the innings where they have scored BIG ( even a 50-60) they have scored it at a ultra destructive strike rate that has set their team up. The 3-4 innings in the 10-12 " failures" have been 50's and 60's scored at strikes rate ranging from 130-180. Match winning in short.

All those 50s and 60s at uber destructive SR would have been meaningless had it not been for the support of other players. Not even one of those 50s/60s was good enough to win the MOM on its own.

Pontings a bit of a surprise - but he played an innings of a lifetime in the biggest game there can be - WC finals. ANd even inbetween what you show there is a match winning 120+.

So that one innings in WC finals is good enough to spare him the ignominy of the 15 innings streak? And then why shouldn't the same consideration be applied to SRT's record as well? Ponting's streak does contain the match winning innings of 124. But it is in the midst of a streak of 15 innings. Now if we consider a streak of 15 innings and not 12 for SRT , we can have more match winning innings for SRT as well.

[Sachinism]

Yeah in 1997. But someone who for sure started before you and for that matter anyone on this forum - arguably India's greatest ever allround cricketer, someone who has followed his entire career - and is not from the powerful Maharashtra lobby nor a section of former cricketers who don't have the b@lls to say even the slightest uncomplimentary thing about SRT - I am refering to KAPIL DEV ---Here's what he had to say about SRT just about 2 yrs back: http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=89941 Surely, my thoughts are now not so seemlngly " outrageous" - our greatest ever cricketer also vents similar frustration.

LOL...bad attempt at manipulation. NO one denies that SRT is a truely great player , one of our and the world's best - Its his failure to ease India through real crunch, pressure situations that Kapil Dev was clearly criticizing. ANother one who's probably known him as well as anyone - Sanjay Manjrekar , a fellow Mumbaikar at great personal and professional risk..vents out http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/feb/25manj.htm SRT took this really to heart and then fired in the finals of that CB - first time after a LONG LONG time.

How about you stop looking at what people have said and look at some of the stats presented to you. Just because someone has played cricket, doesn't mean whatever they say should be set in stone. Gibbs once said Pakistani's were animals and belonged in a zoo, so since he's a cricketer, should that be fact?

[Shane]

How about you stop looking at what people have said and look at some of the stats presented to you. Just because someone has played cricket, doesn't mean whatever they say should be set in stone. Gibbs once said Pakistani's were animals and belonged in a zoo, so since he's a cricketer, should that be fact?

We could have an exception, can't we?

[riya]

His innings in CB series was because some one made him angry.He is a very irresponsible batsman,some one need to push him:withstupid:

[Mr. Wicket]

SRT took this really to heart and then fired in the finals of that CB - first time after a LONG LONG time.

Can you also dig up the specific criticisms that were responsible for SRT's 80-odd other international centuries and countless other major innings (non-centuries at int'l level like his 98 at Centurion and major domestic performances), seeing as you're so talented at reading minds?

[patriot]

^^ Your inane sarchasm doesn't cover the fact that - players do listen and react to critisicm - even SRT. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1KzePKPLgo&feature=PlayList&p=5E312A0B857B9BD3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14]YouTube - India Vs Srilanka Compaq Cup-2009 Final Presentation Area[/ame] Just watch the above clip 3.25 -3.40 , on Arun Lal's question about his phenomenal cricket last 2 years or so - and SRT's responds grudgingly - " earlier lots of things were going on " , " people have changed the way they look at me " . Its clear cut for everyone to see that , that remark was referring to the criticism he had received for failing continuously in crunch situations -by the likes of Kapil Dev in 2007 and others. Anywayz my last reply on this thread. Peaceout.

[ludhianvi]

SRT has zero WC whereas Ponting has 3. How come Sachin hasnt even won a single? Even Inzi has one! :dontknow:

[DomainK]

This thread should be stuck forever in the jokes section.

[Mr. Wicket]

Rule #1 of the 'hood: You don't talk about the 'hood. Rule #2 (or some other number) of the 'hood: The Hood != Vegas.