Give credit to this man...( Buchanand )

[Ram]

Amidst all the praise heaped on the aussie team , this man's name rarely gets a reference... What an amazing job he has done as a coach.. to hav inherited an already good performing team filled with superstars ,and then mould it into a unit as successful as this requires stunning man-management skills. And John has shown what a coach on an intnl cricket team should be... A man-manager, more than an imparter of skills. I dont remember him speakin to the media or givin controversial statements even once.. What a stark contrast to our own Greggie ! Three cheers to the best ever cricket coach..

[Rajiv]

Re: Give credit to this man... Frankly, his job is nowhere near the headache of Indian & Pak coaches. Responsibility of a coach is to a certain point and it's the 11 players on the field who get the job done, luckily for him; the Aussie talent is way too good to win everything I am not taking anything away from him, make him an Indian coach and I doubt the results will be the same Also, this Aussie team doesn't even need a coach, everyone knows their job and they do it darn well

[Ram]

Re: Give credit to this man...

Frankly, his job is nowhere near the headache of Indian & Pak coaches. Responsibility of a coach is to a certain point and it's the 11 players on the field who get the job done, luckily for him; the Aussie talent is way too good to win everything I am not taking anything away from him, make him an Indian coach and I doubt the results will be the same Also, this Aussie team doesn't even need a coach, everyone knows their job and they do it darn well

i beg to differ... the more number of super-stars in a team , the harder it is to manage it.. And havin the best players dusnt neccecarily mean u win in a team game.. Look at Real madrid.. they once had the cream of the talent.. yet they lost.. Imagin how it is to maintain sanity in a team with players like Warne , Ponting etc.. Tempers would hav flared many times..

[Rajiv]

Re: Give credit to this man... I don't know about Madrid, but in other words you are saying he was a manager of sorts to control tempers My point is, his job was easier coz of the superstars performing India has more superstars, but do they perform? NO, what could a John Buchanan do there? Cool them, explain them to play the game Superstars have got the tag coz they have played the game for long time, what coaching do they need? Coaching is for new players, not old timers

[King]

Re: Give credit to this man... He's a legend that's for sure. None of the coaches have had this kind of success and he must have done something right. Now when Moody and Whatmore gets so much credit for the results why should this fella get 10 times more? When he took over Aussies were good but not great. They had had their tough times prior the 1999 World Cup. Post world cup 1999 there was no looking back. This fella has inspired the team to come back with bigger wins each time the team lost a series or a game. The reason he doesn't really get as much accolades he does is because he worked in the background and was a low profile coach. Keeping low profile was one of the best qualities of this man. Once the team is on the field, the coach has no role to play. It is up to the captain and the rest of the players to take over. Outside the playing ground does the coach's job start. This was understood by none better than John. As for coaches, he is a "Legend" in his own right.

[yoda]

Re: Give credit to this man...

I dont remember him speakin to the media or givin controversial statements even once.. What a stark contrast to our own Greggie !

Totally.

[Ram]

Re: Give credit to this man... I think hirin past players as coach is a tried-tested-failed formula. A coach should not hav a personality... he shoudnt be a topic of discussion at all... I hope the next full time india coach is not some guy wo is famous , egoistic.. etc etc..

[Anakin]

Re: Give credit to this man...

I dont remember him speakin to the media or givin controversial statements even once.. What a stark contrast to our own Greggie !

Totally.

Guess he wasn't following the process :lmao:

[Rajiv]

lol, buump

[MUMBAISKIPPER]

Australia dominated world cricket for more than 10 years is because they were a fantastic team..just like the West Indies team in yesteryears...I don't think such teams need coaching..so no question of giving credit to buchanan.

[DomainK]

lol' date=' buump[/quote'] :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

[Dinx - the Jinx]

Where are Sriram, King. yu are reqd urgently in another thread to defend the great Buchs

[The Outsider]

Damn - I did not notice the date of the OP and was thinking that Morris is on drugs or what!

[vvvslaxman]

They were world no. 1 "because of" Buchanan should be changed to "inspite of".

[yoda]

How does his T-20 debacle with KKR negate all his accomplishments with the Aussies? I agree that his aussie teams probably needed no coaching, but I mean we don't really know if he was bad and yet the team won or if he contributed to their success.

[Mr. Wicket]

Cough. Splutter. (Faints on keyboard in a state of shock.)

[Kohum]

:rotfl:

[Ram]

Lol, I didnt want to indulge in this first, but hey, why not..:D

Buchanan deserves praise for outstanding record AFP January 1, 2007 Ricky Ponting has praised the work of the coach John Buchanan for much of Australia's recent success and believes his successor has an enormous role to fill. While the retirements of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath and Justin Langer dominate Australia's view of the fifth Test at Sydney from Tuesday, it is also Buchanan's final Test in charge. Buchanan, 53, will stand down after the World Cup in West Indies in April and a search is underway for his replacement. Ponting's comments come after Kevin Pietersen claimed the Australian coach was not respected by his own players. Ponting said Buchanan and his support staff had been overlooked for a long time and deserved to share in the side's achievements. "They have to accept some of the accolades that come the team's way," Ponting said at the SCG. "You look at the standard of cricket that we've been able to play over a long period of time. "Just before John took over and certainly right through his stint as coach we've played some amazing cricket. Even this current run, we've won 11 matches on the trot. That doesn't happen every day either. The coach has got to take a lot of the credit for that." Langer, who announced his Test retirement today, described Buchanan as "the great visionary". "I've learned so much from John Buchanan," Langer said. "He's an outstanding person and an outstanding coach. His vision was monumental in the success we've had over the last few years." Buchanan has the exceptional record of 68 wins in 89 Tests in charge, and having started with 15 consecutive victories in 1999-2001, he could finish with 12 straight successes. "He's been coaching a very skilled and very talented team," Ponting said. "What you've seen some of those players do has been a lot of the time pretty extraordinary, so he's got to take a lot of the credit for that." Tom Moody, the former Test and one-day allrounder who is currently with Sri Lanka, and Tim Nielsen, a previous Australia assistant coach, are the front-runners to replace Buchanan. http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/274648.html

So, I guess Ponting and Justin Langer are just lying through their teeth eh? Now, I dont respect Ponting that much because he's a bit of a loud-mouth, but I think most people here agree that Justin Langer is not given to making statements off his cuff and I dont have any reason to doubt his opinion. The critics can say what they want, but the FACT of the matter is, John did finish as a coach with an 'exceptional record' as mentioned in the article. And who are these 'critics' btw? Guys like Shane Warne and Ian Chappell. Gimme a break! These are some of the guys with mouths as loose a sleeve of a wizard. Ian Chappell once said (And I am paraphrasing here, so dont go looking for the exact quote :D) that his daughter would have coached the Aussie team better than John. Thats not critiquing. Thats rubbishing, for the sake of rubbishing. I know what you're going to bring up now? 'Oh Australia had McGrath, Warne and Gilchrist during most of John's tenure. Thats why they won so much. So, that does not make him a good coach..' My answer to that would be - How do you know Australia would have been as dominant as it was, without Buchanan? Just like how you can hypothetically argue that Australia would have been as good without him, I can also use the same logic to root in favor of John. Its essentially your hypothesis versus mine and frankly, we will NEVER know who is right. And most recently, the failure of the Kolkata Knight Riders has been held against Buchs.. What a lulz! To hold the success/failure of a T20 team against the coach is such a ridiculous thing to do, given the unpredicatable nature of the game. And pointedly, the Knight riders totally screwed their squad selection, spending their $$$$ on Pakistani and B'deshi players, just because Mr.Shah Rukh Khan saw the Knight Riders as not just as a cricket team, but a vehicle for him to spread his spheres of influence, both economically and politically. When you have politics mixing with sport, there are bound to be lots of casualties. In this case, it was the fortunes of the Knight Riders (which quite frankly is a pathetic team - all their foreign picks are mediocre and their Indian Icon was a player who was dropped from the Indian ODI team no less, coz he was well past his prime..) I aint never said John was the reason why Aus won so much. I never claimed he was the best thing to have happened to planet earth after free HD porn. No Sir, but I do think he's a good coach, a fine man manger and above all, someone who always keeps a VERY low profile, which is what I think a good coach should be. People can say what they want about him. The plain truth is though, he has the resume to walk into a fortune 500 company with an arrogant gait, while they dont. You cant accept my opinion or you can deny it. But, you cannot deny the FACTS. Facts that show that he was the most successful coach in the history of the cricket. So go take a hike up Mt. Kilimanjaro! :winky: :D Disclaimer; This reply wasnt particularly meant for any of the thread 'bumpers', but for the general audience. So please dont be offended by the caustic audience. Its been a while a posted in cricket talk and I seem to have forgotten whats the politically correct of posting here. :D

[Anakin]

Excellent defense for someone quite ordinary. A good coach would have made some impact despite all the debacles (some real and some OTT as usual) with KKR. And yes, I'm guilty of giving more weight to Warne's words over Ponting's.

[Ram]

Excellent defense for someone quite ordinary. A good coach would have made some impact despite all the debacles (some real and some OTT as usual) with KKR. And yes' date= I'm guilty of giving more weight to Warne's words over Ponting's.

Just curious, can you substantiate that statement with verifiable evidence?