Guest Gunner Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 G do u live in netherlands? Its very close and I have been there several times over the years. I have always been amazed at the fantastic way they are managing such a sensitive issue. Respect to the dutch people too, the coolest in Europe.:icflove: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Its very close and I have been there several times over the years. I have always been amazed at the fantastic way they are managing such a sensitive issue. Respect to the dutch people too' date=' the coolest in Europe.:icflove:[/quote'] so u live in belgium or germany?i have also heard from my friend in orange country that people are very cool there.even racism isnt an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 so u live in belgium or germany?i have also heard from my friend in orange country that people are very cool there.even racism isnt an issue Racism is more or less not an issue in Europe unless you meet some stupid uneducated jackass or you behave like one. People are nice if you make an effort to know them and their culture. The problem is most Indians look for racism from the first moment they arrive, I have neer understood why. PS: I don't live in Belgium or Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Racism is more or less not an issue in Europe unless you meet some stupid uneducated jackass or you behave like one. People are nice if you make an effort to know them and their culture. The problem is most Indians look for racism from the first moment they arrive, I have neer understood why. PS: I don't live in Belgium or Germany. look for racism???how? well some of my friends in spain face a lot of racism probz........big time probz P,S:are u keyser soze?hiding ur location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 look for racism???how? well some of my friends in spain face a lot of racism probz........big time probz P,S:are u keyser soze?hiding ur location? 1) Indians in general always ask me when I tell them I live in Europe, "How is the racism level?". Its a stereotype in their head that all europeans are racist, which is a very tinted view of the world. 2) It could be a specific experience depending on where they lived in Spain. It also depends on the neighbhorhood you choose to live in. The poorer and less literate the people around you (and believe me Spain has quite a few) the more likely they are to be racist. 3) The greatest trick that the devil pulled was to convince the world that he did not exist. :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 1) Indians in general always ask me when I tell them I live in Europe, "How is the racism level?". Its a stereotype in their head that all europeans are racist, which is a very tinted view of the world. 2) It could be a specific experience depending on where they lived in Spain. It also depends on the neighbhorhood you choose to live in. The poorer and less literate the people around you (and believe me Spain has quite a few) the more likely they are to be racist. 3) The greatest trick that the devil pulled was to convince the world that he did not exist. :winky: hmmm i get that well most of them live in madrid and barcelona....not sure abt the neighbourhood.....but then educated people any where wont behave like dat.....or will they? i believe u exist........since the time u managed ur online love with lizzy:sniffle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegovegaz Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 i'm keen to witness CricketGirl's views on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The OP raises a very interesting conflict. I think part of the part of the answer lies in the fact that unlike prostitution, where you get to ‘do it’, you only get to ‘see it’ in pornography. Let me put it this way. If a man tells his gf/wife/partner that he has paid for porn online in the past, she may or may not be upset about it, but she definitely wouldn’t lose sleep over it. But the same man said he routinely paid for prostitutes in the past, there’s a very good chance the relationship might end right there. So, its safe to say that even though no right minded people will actually condone or encourage pornography, it is not in the same plane of moral outrage as say, physical intercourse with a prostitute. Given this moral distinction that the society makes between these two, its no surprise that our laws make a very similar distinction too because laws are very accurate reflections of our moral standpoints. Whether those moral standpoints are accurate, consistent and right, is a different issue altogether. Some may argue that, fundamentally, there is no difference between someone deriving sexual pleasure by watching porn online and someone paying for actual intercourse with a prostitute and that may very well be a legitimate argument. But at least for now, our society does make a significant distinction between the two, morally and consequently, legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The OP raises a very interesting conflict. I think part of the part of the answer lies in the fact that unlike prostitution, where you get to ‘do it’, you only get to ‘see it’ in pornography. Let me put it this way. If a man tells his gf/wife/partner that he has paid for porn online in the past, she may or may not be upset about it, but she definitely wouldn’t lose sleep over it. But the same man said he routinely paid for prostitutes in the past, there’s a very good chance the relationship might end right there. So, its safe to say that even though no right minded people will actually condone or encourage pornography, it is not in the same plane of moral outrage as say, physical intercourse with a prostitute. Given this moral distinction that the society makes between these two, its no surprise that our laws make a very similar distinction too because laws are very accurate reflections of our moral standpoints. Whether those moral standpoints are accurate, consistent and right, is a different issue altogether. Some may argue that, fundamentally, there is no difference between someone deriving sexual pleasure by watching porn online and someone paying for actual intercourse with a prostitute and that may very well be a legitimate argument. But at least for now, our society does make a significant distinction between the two, morally and consequently, legally. I think you missed the entire point. Prostitution is illegal, NOT because it is immoral, but because it ialmost always nvolves exploitation/abuse of the women involved. Women definitely have more rights and less to fear in the porn industry, which is definitely regulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think you missed the entire point. Prostitution is illegal' date=' NOT because it is immoral, but because it ialmost always nvolves exploitation/abuse of the women involved. Women definitely have more rights and less to fear in the porn industry, which is definitely regulated.[/quote'] Hmm, I see your point about how there is less exploitation of women in the porn ‘industry’, as opposed to the prostitution ‘business’ in general, but I doubt if the distinction is as clear cut as that. I am sure a big proportion of women in the porn trade too are exploited/abused. The numbers maybe far less than those indulging in prostitution, but exploitation still happens. That hasn’t resulted in that practice being banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 i'm keen to witness CricketGirl's views on this Exactly my sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 i'm keen to witness CricketGirl's views on this me 2.....wer is CG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The OP raises a very interesting conflict. I think part of the part of the answer lies in the fact that unlike prostitution, where you get to ‘do it’, you only get to ‘see it’ in pornography. Let me put it this way. If a man tells his gf/wife/partner that he has paid for porn online in the past, she may or may not be upset about it, but she definitely wouldn’t lose sleep over it. But the same man said he routinely paid for prostitutes in the past, there’s a very good chance the relationship might end right there. So, its safe to say that even though no right minded people will actually condone or encourage pornography, it is not in the same plane of moral outrage as say, physical intercourse with a prostitute. Given this moral distinction that the society makes between these two, its no surprise that our laws make a very similar distinction too because laws are very accurate reflections of our moral standpoints. Whether those moral standpoints are accurate, consistent and right, is a different issue altogether. Some may argue that, fundamentally, there is no difference between someone deriving sexual pleasure by watching porn online and someone paying for actual intercourse with a prostitute and that may very well be a legitimate argument. But at least for now, our society does make a significant distinction between the two, morally and consequently, legally. The point is not about the target viewers of porn industry, but about the actor and her actions. In both cases, she is indulging in fornication for money. If one is banned, the other one is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Making porn illegal is forcing every teenager(and many adults) to break the law. Prostitution is a necessary evil. It will exist no matter what. It'e better to allow it to happen. That will allow the law enforcement better control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 In India, both pornography and prostitution are illegal and thats the way it should be. Pornography attracts severe punishment , but because of poor implementation of the law, pornography is ubiquitous. The Information Technology Act, Chapter XI Paragraph 67, the Government of India clearly considers online pornography as a punishable offense. The Indian Penal Code, 1860 section 293 also specifies, in clear terms, the law against Sale etc. of obscene objects to minors. Chapter XI "67. Publishing of information which is obscene in electronic form. - Whoever publishes or transmits or causes to be published in the electronic form, any material which is lascivious or appeal to the prurient interest or if its effect is such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it, shall be punished on first conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to five years and with fine which may extend to one lakh rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years and also with fine which may extend to two lakh rupees." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley's Girl Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Religious beliefs and morals aside. If prostitution is legalised and the correct measures are not only put into place but actually upheld then it can be a lot safer for all parties involved. It's one of those undeniable facts of life that won't go away no matter what. At least if it's legalised there can be some sort of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Making porn illegal is forcing every teenager(and many adults) to break the law. Prostitution is a necessary evil. It will exist no matter what. It'e better to allow it to happen. That will allow the law enforcement better control. This argument doens't make sense at all:winky: If something is evil,it should be banned and we cant allow just for the sake of law enforcement.,:nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Making porn illegal is forcing every teenager(and many adults) to break the law. How so? That's like saying making robbery illegal forces every poor man to break the law. People do abide by the law as long as the law is reasonable, rational and in the greater interest of everyone. I for one would say make Porn illegal as well. It is unhealthy, immoral and hence should be illegal. PS: I do love Porn. :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 How so? That's like saying making robbery illegal forces every poor man to break the law. People do abide by the law as long as the law is reasonable, rational and in the greater interest of everyone. I for one would say make Porn illegal as well. It is unhealthy, immoral and hence should be illegal. PS: I do love Porn. :hatsoff: Prove it. It can be addictive and hence have bad effects but in moderation, it is not unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Prove it. It can be addictive and hence have bad effects but in moderation' date=' it is not unhealthy.[/quote'] It is like Staring at something you can't get a physical hold of. Like staring an expensive dress, but can't touch it or buy it. How mentally healthy is it? In the end all you are left with is frustration unless you can also augment it with a good dose of reality as well (like real sex). So, if a sex deprived individual is staring at Porn to make up for lack of sex, I would say it is mentally unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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