nikred Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It is like Staring at something you can't get a physical hold of. Like staring an expensive dress, but can't touch it or buy it. How mentally healthy is it? In the end all you are left with is frustration unless you can also augment it with a good dose of reality as well (like real sex). So, if a sex deprived individual is staring at Porn to make up for lack of sex, I would say it is mentally unhealthy. It's the sex deprivation that is making him mentally unhealthy not the porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It is like Staring at something you can't get a physical hold of. Like staring an expensive dress, but can't touch it or buy it. How mentally healthy is it? In the end all you are left with is frustration unless you can also augment it with a good dose of reality as well (like real sex). So, if a sex deprived individual is staring at Porn to make up for lack of sex, I would say it is mentally unhealthy. What a load of BS! He is not just staring at a thing of beauty and thinking he can't have her, he is jerking off picturing himself screwing her, there by releasing all the sexual hunger and he will be sane again, It is completely healthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I think you missed the entire point. Prostitution is illegal' date= NOT because it is immoral, but because it ialmost always nvolves exploitation/abuse of the women involved. Women definitely have more rights and less to fear in the porn industry, which is definitely regulated. Actually this is the key point, it entails abuse and exploitation mainly because it is illegal and not the other way around. If you legalise and regulate prostitution the women will have their rights upheld a lot better. Hell, prostitutes in Europe pay taxes and their rights are absolutely protected by the law. This is exactly the way it should be. The only major European country where this is illegal is France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In India, both pornography and prostitution are illegal and thats the way it should be. Pornography attracts severe punishment , but because of poor implementation of the law, pornography is ubiquitous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_India This argument doens't make sense at all:winky: If something is evil' date='it should be banned and we cant allow just for the sake of law enforcement.,:nervous:[/quote'] I am sorry. I simply don't share your views. Majority of the modern world doesn't share your views. Please define evil. Why do you consider sex as evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooda Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Its not just 'sex' though is it. Its fornication and adultery Thats where the 'morality is overrated' point comes in. Its not overrated. Morality (for me personally is defined by my religion) is there for a reason, to give us some ethics to live by. And pre and extra marital sex isnt moral, i.e its evil. Its that simple. The presence, worse still legalisation, of prosititutes makes it that much easier to go down that route. The other thing re: it being a 'necessary evil' and 'not going away'- thats not really an argument. Murder and people killing one another is never going away either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Its not just 'sex' though is it. Its fornication and adultery Thats where the 'morality is overrated' point comes in. Its not overrated. Morality (for me personally is defined by my religion) is there for a reason, to give us some ethics to live by. And pre and extra marital sex isnt moral, i.e its evil. Its that simple. The presence, worse still legalisation, of prosititutes makes it that much easier to go down that route. The other thing re: it being a 'necessary evil' and 'not going away'- thats not really an argument. Murder and people killing one another is never going away either... Ok. We have nothing further to discuss. Just as an aside, in case your hindu can you actually point out to me where do the scriptures concur with this view, I would really like to know. If you belong to one of the semitic faiths just forget the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Ok. We have nothing further to discuss. Just as an aside, in case your hindu can you actually point out to me where do the scriptures concur with this view, I would really like to know. If you belong to one of the semitic faiths just forget the question. Going tanget and personal. Gunner are you an atheist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Going tanget and personal. Gunner are you an atheist? Could be a way to describe my views. I definitely don't believe in organized religion. On the question of God, my understanding of science definitely makes it difficult for me to believe that an almight being is looking down on countless billions of souls across the universe. It defies logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Gunner I thought you is pundit along with daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooda Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 If you belong to one of the semitic faiths just forget the question. Ok. Gunner, setting aside sex before marriage for a minute- which you might not see any wrong in-two timing on your partner/wife/gf is wrong. Having prostitutes around makes it so much easier to go down that route. Just as killing is wrong and say, making guns very easy to acquire makes it easier to go down THAT route Different evils but same principle. So its not just 'sex' its fornication and/or adultery and I have explained why I think its immoral/evil. Why do you think it ISNT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Gunner, setting aside sex before marriage for a minute- which you might not see any wrong in-two timing on your partner/wife/gf is wrong. Having prostitutes around makes it so much easier to go down that route. Just as killing is wrong and say, making guns very easy to acquire makes it easier to go down THAT route Different evils but same principle. So its not just 'sex' its fornication and/or adultery and I have explained why I think its immoral/evil. Why do you think it ISNT? 1) You can commit adultery even without prostitutes. Who says that you have to go to a prostitute to commit adultery? 2) It does not make it any easier than it is now. You can have access to guns in most countries, but do you go buy one or use them? You have a choice and you exercise not to use it. Same applies for prostitution. 3) The evil is actually not affording those women their rights. That is my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 i have mixed views to be honest from the (little) porn i have seen they all seem to enjoying themselves so ok you could argue its all personal choice etc with prostitution - again most will argue personal choice but based on personal experience of dealing with homeless women fleeing violence and harrassment i suppose i would have to disagree much of what i get to see is forced (although that may not be a representative amount) should either be legalised?? *shrugs* it has its pro's and cons which i will let the u blokes debate! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 i have mixed views to be honest from the (little) porn i have seen they all seem to enjoying themselves so ok you could argue its all personal choice etc with prostitution - again most will argue personal choice but based on personal experience of dealing with homeless women fleeing violence and harrassment i suppose i would have to disagree much of what i get to see is forced (although that may not be a representative amount) should either be legalised?? *shrugs* it has its pro's and cons which i will let the u blokes debate! :P The thing you said about prostitution is itself the reason why it should be legalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 The thing you said about prostitution is itself the reason why it should be legalized. but i also mentioned that the proportion of women i see that have fleed violence etc from prostitution is not representative of all women in the trade. i think realistically, a better way to assess this would be to compare countries that have legalised with those who havent and look at the pro's and cons that way perhaps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 1) You can commit adultery even without prostitutes. Who says that you have to go to a prostitute to commit adultery? You can commit murder without a gun,so should we allow guns to be sold freely? 2) It does not make it any easier than it is now. You can have access to guns in most countries, but do you go buy one or use them? You have a choice and you exercise not to use it. Same applies for prostitution. This "right"or "wrong" is a product of morality which is taught by our ancestors.Imagine if prostitution is allowed by our ancestors,we wouldn't think morality is "wrong" at all and imagine the effect of this on our society Law should ideally act as hindrance to evil activities .No law has ever succeeded in preventing any evil activities but they just act as hindrance to majority. Your argument that prostitution is not an evil based on the flawed philosophy "I'm not hurting anyone but myself," frequently used to excuse bad personal choices. With this kind of flawed logic, we can even legalize adultery, raking drugs etc. But morality is designed to meet the need of stable societies and this helps taking conscious decision in our everyday activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Ok. We have nothing further to discuss. Just as an aside, in case your hindu can you actually point out to me where do the scriptures concur with this view, I would really like to know. If you belong to one of the semitic faiths just forget the question. Yea, I would like to know too. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 You can commit murder without a gun' date='so [b']should we allow guns to be sold freely? Yes. Stop putting up strawman arguments with analogies to guns etc. This "right"or "wrong" is a product of morality which is taught by our ancestors.Imagine if prostitution is allowed by our ancestors,we wouldn't think morality is "wrong" at all and imagine the effect of this on our society Law should ideally act as hindrance to evil activities .No law has ever succeeded in preventing any evil activities but they just act as hindrance to majority. 1) I don't agree that prostitution has any moral angle to it at all. It is a product just like any other, you buy it if you want to or you don't. So all these irrelevant concepts of morality, society and ancestors don't make your argument any more stronger. 2) How do you define prostitution as "evil"? I already asked you this question and you did not reply. Your argument that prostitution is not an evil based on the flawed philosophy "I'm not hurting anyone but myself' date=" frequently used to excuse bad personal choices. With this kind of flawed logic, we can even legalize adultery, raking drugs etc. But morality is designed to meet the need of stable societies and this helps taking conscious decision in our everyday activities. 1) Can you point out where I made that specific argument? I don't recall it all having been the one to who have made that statement. 2) What is the relevance between prostitution and legalizing drugs, adultery etc? I told you to stop putting up strawmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 ^^^The moment someone uses straw man argument, you know they are fighting a losing battle. :P Forget guns and drugs, why is prostitution wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 ^^^ because sexually transmitted disease, infidelity, violence, and many crimes take place with the average prostitute exchange. Women who are into prostitution is vulnerable to sex related crimes. prostitution has the potential to shatter the family system, one doesn't have to be loyal to his or her partners if prostitution is not illegal. There are many other ill-effects on the society, now why don't you guys come up with something sensible why prostitution is not *evil*? Please don't bulls***t that prostitution thrives even when it is illegal, so it should be made legal. Perhaps there is one more point to make: sex is at its best when it's paired with intimacy and commitment.With prostitution, you can't find neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 ^^^ because sexually transmitted disease, infidelity, violence, and many crimes take place with the average prostitute exchange. Women who are into prostitution is vulnerable to sex related crimes. These are precisely the reasons why it should be legalized except infidelity of course. The moment it is legalized it also becomes regulated which has been the advantage for the pronographic industry. The basis of the justice system is equality. If women in the porn industry get the protection of the law why not the sex workers? prostitution has the potential to shatter the family system' date=' one doesn't have to be loyal to his or her partners if prostitution is not illegal. [/quote'] There is not a single shred of evidence to prove this. The family sytem is broken down in the US which is home to the largest number of single people in the world (and that can be proved) yet prostitution is illegal in the US. What does that do to your statement above? It really destroys random "beliefs", doesn't it? There are many other ill-effects on the society, now why don't you guys come up with something sensible why prostitution is not *evil*? Please don't bulls***t that prostitution thrives even when it is illegal, so it should be made legal. Perhaps there is one more point to make: sex is at its best when it's paired with intimacy and commitment.With prostitution, you can't find neither. 1) You have not made a single valid argument why you consider prostitution "evil", so what do you want me to argue against? (I am still eagerly awaiting your opening gambit) :hmmmm: 2) Prostitutes suffer when the law considers it illegal to prostitute oneself. I have not made any other argument. So don't keep assuming things. 3) "sex is at its best when it's paired with intimacy and commitment.With prostitution, you can't find neither." - Well said, that is absolutely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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