Macj Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 There will never be peace unless Israel hands over Jerusalem "Islams Third Holiest Site" as espoused even on the BBC. But even till recently circa 1910 it wasnt even on the Islamic pilgrimage list, most pilgrims would bypass the Levant and go directly to Mecca and Madina. Now all of a sudden Jerusalem is the key! Just like 1 Babri Masjid in the face of thousands of temples destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Israel is really in a spot. For the first time in decades, they don’t have an administration in Washington that publicly at least, does not give them a blank check and a free reign. That must have come as quite a rude culture shock to them. The recent human rights watch report on the Gaza war clearly places more blame on the Israelis than on the Palestinians and some members of the EU even endorsed that report. Its not often that you see the US and Europe actually take side with the Palestinians in their conflict with Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 That video Sree posted...is indicative of what's to come in the future...this kind of general hatred towards a group leads to terrorism and nothing else....very scary...a future where we would have to teach our kids about suicide bombing and jihad and to be aware at all times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celeste Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cktOG0I3xgo&feature=related]YouTube- ISRAELIS KILL 3 PALESTINIAN KIDS WITH SNIPERS[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooda Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 That video Sree posted...is indicative of what's to come in the future...this kind of general hatred towards a group leads to terrorism and nothing else....very scary...a future where we would have to teach our kids about suicide bombing and jihad and to be aware at all times That video is a direct consequence of what the Israelis have been doing to Palestinians under their illegal occupation. In any case they are wrong to blame 'jews' - there are hundreds of Jews who hate Israel for what they do. Its Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 That video is a direct consequence of what the Israelis have been doing to Palestinians under their illegal occupation. In any case they are wrong to blame 'jews' - there are hundreds of Jews who hate Israel for what they do. Its Israelis. The recognition of Israel's right to exist, is that too much to ask ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak_Forever Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Israel is simply a terrorist state. The mere ideology that it belonged to their forefathers and got the Almighty right to belong there is disgusting. Muslims don't hate Jews. They hate Israeli government who have terrorized Palestinian and neighboring countries for decades. Watch this video. This guy speaks nothing but truth. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw]YouTube- George Galloway Savages SKY NEWS![/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak_Forever Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 The recognition of Israel's right to exist' date=' is that too much to ask ?[/quote'] too much to ask? I think you got it all wrong. Its Israel who can't recognize the state of Palestinian and let people ther live in peace. And please don't go on suicide bombers and stuff, b/c Israel is the sole reason for creating those nutcases who go blow up innocent people. What do you expect from people whose homes are bulldozed, who don't have access to food and medicine, who lose family members by frequent bombings. Some of them are bound to cross line and take revenge by any mean. Though suicide bombing in compared to Israeli bombings day in and day out is pretty much non-existence. Muslims don't support killing of innocents on either side, neither does any other sane person from any religion or country, but root cause to all this problem is terrorist Israeli government and its army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohan495 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 too much to ask? I think you got it all wrong. Its Israel who can't recognize the state of Palestinian and let people ther live in peace. And please don't go on suicide bombers and stuff' date=' b/c Israel is the sole reason for creating those nutcases who go blow up innocent people. What do you expect from people whose homes are bulldozed, who don't have access to food and medicine, who lose family members by frequent bombings. Some of them are bound to cross line and take revenge by any mean. Though suicide bombing in compared to Israeli bombings day in and day out is pretty much non-existence. Muslims don't support killing of innocents on either side, neither does any other sane person from any religion or country, but root cause to all this problem is terrorist Israeli government and its army.[/quote'] tell me one thing though bro if they were any other religion would you care as much? In Kashmir look at all the Kashmiri Pandits who got killed and thrown out of their homeland. Same thing man, same concept everywhere, the concept being command and conquer. Dont get me wrong killing is wrong and the Israeli must pay the price for that, but things will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehwag fan Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 too much to ask? I think you got it all wrong. Its Israel who can't recognize the state of Palestinian and let people ther live in peace. And please don't go on suicide bombers and stuff' date=' b/c [b']Israel is the sole reason for creating those nutcases who go blow up innocent people. What do you expect from people whose homes are bulldozed, who don't have access to food and medicine, who lose family members by frequent bombings. Some of them are bound to cross line and take revenge by any mean. Though suicide bombing in compared to Israeli bombings day in and day out is pretty much non-existence. Muslims don't support killing of innocents on either side, neither does any other sane person from any religion or country, but root cause to all this problem is terrorist Israeli government and its army. That is the wrong perception of a muslim or person living in the muslim country and with madrassa system of education I don't think its their fault. They can't help it but think what they have been taught. But any sane muslim should understand that in the past when they were powerful & dominant than other religions than they are now. They misused their powers to subdue people of other religion ( our history says that clearly ) now that the people of other religions are stronger they are trying to defend themselves from the muslim invasion. That is exactly what is happening in lebanon. For a muslim to say it is only Israel's fault is total bias and unwarranted. It is the fault of both the Palestines & Israelites and untill the people of both sides realise the mistakes they had done in the past & present nothing can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngindia Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Muslims don't support killing of innocents on either side' date=' neither does any other sane person from any religion or country, but root cause to all this problem is terrorist Israeli government and its army.[/quote'] who clings to outdated notions of state representing a religion? majority of the islamic world. the israelis (with their own man made stupidity) gave the arabs a taste of the same own medicine,the discriminatory islamic states have been dishing out to non muslims.(in general) stop this nonsense about "fighting for a religion".it is medieval nonsense just because i share a religion with someone, that does not mean i share sociopolitical interests/values with that person. throw away this philosophy(long overdue) and there is less scope for the ideology of terrorist organisations. bigots are responsible for bigoted ideologies. its straightforward . all these excuses about "israelis does this and that" are self serving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 too much to ask? I think you got it all wrong. Its Israel who can't recognize the state of Palestinian and let people ther live in peace. And please don't go on suicide bombers and stuff' date=' b/c Israel is the sole reason for creating those nutcases who go blow up innocent people. What do you expect from people whose homes are bulldozed, who don't have access to food and medicine, who lose family members by frequent bombings. Some of them are bound to cross line and take revenge by any mean. Though suicide bombing in compared to Israeli bombings day in and day out is pretty much non-existence. Muslims don't support killing of innocents on either side, neither does any other sane person from any religion or country, but root cause to all this problem is terrorist Israeli government and its army.[/quote'] Spare me this BS and just answer my question: If you don't accept Israel's right to exist, than why should they accept yours ? Why should you negotiate with those that openly call for your destruction ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngindia Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 actually the zionist movement cannot be justified. they were pretty blatant in land grabbing . and to cite an emotional attachment to a land based on ancient times is preposterous. but the discriminatory ideology of the various islamic states which have reduced nonmuslims to second class citizens and encourage conversion at the slightest opportunity, privileging the muslims against nonmuslims , you can say least the arab world got a taste of their own mediciine in political usage of religion moral of the story- stop this "religion+ politics" nonsense. they are not one and the same. their roles in life are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooda Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Spare me this BS and just answer my question: If you don't accept Israel's right to exist, than why should they accept yours ? Why should you negotiate with those that openly call for your destruction ? Its only the nutjobs (like Ahmadenijad) who deny Israels right to exsit now, even Hamas for all their rhetoric managed to keep a ceasefire for a reasonbale length of time last year and are willing to negotiate. Anyone remotely sensible knows that a compromise and the two state solution is the only option. I mentioned at the start that theyre considering releasing Marwan Barghouti. The ONLY reason why theyd do that is because he (and he will get Hamas support) can lead a two state negotiation You do realise the irony here though, its Israel- with American and British backing -who blatantly overlooked Palestines right to exist when Israel the nation was born. That continues well into this day with all those people in the West Bank being dislocated for Israeli settlements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Selective morality at work. Nobody gives a shyt about Bosnia, Sudan, Chechnya but the excuses about Israel are endless. Pathetic Xinjiang , do you see any paks talking about it ? but frankly Palestinian cause is pretty genuine , if you can look beyond religion and race theres no way anyone can take Israels side here ...& its unfortunate that India which has been a supporter of Palestine in the past has been mum on this , thanks to the flourishing trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Israel is really in a spot. For the first time in decades, they don’t have an administration in Washington that publicly at least, does not give them a blank check and a free reign. That must have come as quite a rude culture shock to them. They released 100s of Palestinian prisoners in 2003. IIRC, they did it again in June 2003. As for public admonition by Washington, GWB admonished them for expanding illegal settlements as late as in Jan 2009. Public memory and media memory, of course, are short-lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macj Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Xinjiang , do you see any paks talking about it ? but frankly Palestinian cause is pretty genuine , if you can look beyond religion and race theres no way anyone can take Israels side here ...& its unfortunate that India which has been a supporter of Palestine in the past has been mum on this , thanks to the flourishing trade Sure there is, Israel is in the right, after almost thousand years of Islam usurping other lands they're for a change shoved off a 100sq mile area. Big deal. As for the so called 'Palestinians' Jordan was made for them , they should have moved there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Its only the nutjobs (like Ahmadenijad) who deny Israels right to exsit now' date= even Hamas for all their rhetoric managed to keep a ceasefire for a reasonbale length of time last year and are willing to negotiate. Anyone remotely sensible knows that a compromise and the two state solution is the only option. These are the types one would reason with ? To think, people defend these despicable s c u m bags and justify their atrocities as "resistance" [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg]YouTube- Hamas In Their Own Voices[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Israel is really in a spot. For the first time in decades' date= they don’t have an administration in Washington that publicly at least, does not give them a blank check and a free reign. Obama at AIPAC: 'Those who threaten Israel threaten us' [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOJNC2EuJw]YouTube- Barack Obama at AIPAC[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooda Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 These are the types one would reason with ? To think, people defend these despicable s c u m bags and justify their atrocities as "resistance" Can you justify and defend what Israel do and have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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