Is IPL hurting Indian cricket?

[Trichromatic]

Ravi yaar..Our key players played international cricket with injuries too. Zak had akle injury' date=' he played with it sa tour and wc, sehwag played with shoulder injury for two years. Yuvraaj playing with dodgy knee even before ipl. So this is not new at all.[/quote'] If they carried the injuries before the start of IPL, then it would have been more sensible for them to stay away from hectic schedule of the tournament. They certainly didn't expect to improve their game by playing IPL and just because you're already injured doesn't mean that make it worse. I'm not disappointed with IPL, rather I'm disappointed with players.

[rahuld9]

This is absolute bul crap , the ipl is defintely good for our odi and t2o cricket no doubt, not for tests, but I DONT THINK WE WUD AVE BEEN WORLD CHAMPIONS IF IT WASNT FOR THE IPL SO SHUT THE F U CK UP.

[rkt.india]

@but what about money? Theym earned crores in ipl.

[Fontaine]

1. The preperation before foreign tours was still poorly organized by the BCCI before the IPL. 2. Our bowlers like RP Singh/Pathan/Patel/Sree had inconsistency performances, fitness issues etc long before the IPL. 3. And the problems with the short ball were still there long before the IPL. The IPL doesn't change players, it just shows the kind of players they already are. Yuvraj Singh doesn't struggle against the moving ball and has had fitness issues since the IPL, those issues were there long before. And guys like Raina/SRT/Dravid/Lax/Ishant who are absolutely committed to test match cricket are still committed regardless of the IPL. I mean, what do you think would happen without the IPL? Would our contracted players all of a sudden become gym addicts and start working on their technique/bowling with the time off without the IPL so that they would become great cricketers? HELL NO! I mean is the Pakistani team all of a sudden better test cricketers because they haven't played IPL the past two years? HELL NO! All that would happen without the IPL is that the BCCI would cram in yet another meaningless Sri Lanka series with 7 ODIs. This isn't about the IPL. This is all about an extremely poorly organized test tour, with various injuries that weren't treated properly against a very good English team. THE REAL QUESTION is: What does the BCCI/Team/Management do about it for the future? We've got a very important tour against Australia, with perhaps the BEST opportunity to beat a struggling Australia side in their own backyard. Does the BCCI still insist on hardly any preperation, no proper conditioning/fitness tests, unclear bowling strategy and insistent upon choosing the same tired old bowlers like Sree or Bhajji? Or do we move forward and learn from this circus? One thing is for sure: England learned from their mistakes when they were whitewashed in Australia a few years ago. They literally spent months preparing for the last Ashes tour to Australia and got the results. It's anyone's guess whether the BCCI/Team learn from our mistakes. PS: And just one thing to add - I knew this kind of nonsense would happen when the BCCI moved away from the MRF pace academy to setting up their own NCA. Now instead of getting our bowlers the best guidence possible, we've got idiots that can't diagnose bowling injuries correctly (in the case of Zaheer) and bowlers passing fitness tests when they clearly aren't in bowling form (like Sreesanth). That's another screw up of the BCCI.

[Jayaram_IND]

Ipl is now part of calender and we will have accept it and movd on and it goes wirh performance of indian team. If team does not perform' date=' it will affect ipl too, sp bcci must have to take care of all aspects.[/quote'] Atleast they can shorten it.

[Crookbond]

The international game needs an overhaul - Ian Chappell http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/530023.html

Following a comprehensive defeat by England, Cricket Australia ordered a major review of its structure. England then crushed India, so does that mean their cricket system is also headed for a major overhaul? The group who should most favour such a move is India's selection panel. They should hope a review sees them lose their jobs, and with it the daunting task of picking from the rubble a competitive side to tour Australia. The Indian selectors have backed themselves into an alley so blind a maze expert would have trouble negotiating a way out. I doubt India will follow Australia's example, though. Both countries have in common a recent thrashing by a rampant England but that's where their cricketing DNAs diverge. And anyway, Australia's review appears to include a good deal of window-dressing. The announcement that CA had ordered a review of its performance by an outside agency provided a major clue as to where the problem lay. If CA had utilised the right balance of expert cricket knowledge and business acumen, it would have been alerted to looming problems. The shortcomings noted, it would then only require making adjustments to limit the short-term damage and take far-sighted decisions to ensure an upward swing was not too far in the future. Any review of a cricket administration needs to most importantly make sure there's a system in place producing skilful, competitive young cricketers, and a constant supply of proficient leaders. Then it only requires an efficient selection panel with the nous to choose the right combination. With those pieces of the puzzle in place the national team will win regularly, and the rest pretty much takes care of itself. If the Argus review is saying - in a long-winded, jargon filled document - that the right structure wasn't in place, then there is no solution to the main issue yet. The people who oversaw the crumbling structure are the same ones now charged with the responsibility of implementing the changes to the system. CA named its major money-spinning tournament the Big Bash - a name that conjures up visions of lunchtime cricket in the schoolyard. It further trivialised the competition by miking cricketers on the field and allowing a celebrity player to represent an interstate team. These moves suggested a not-so-serious competition at a time when cricket was busily trying to stamp out player corruption. Now the revamped Big Bash is encouraging players to cast aside loyalty and follow the dollar wherever it leads. While CA has unwittingly diminished a valuable commodity, the rest of the cricket world lavishly rewards players competing in the shortest form of the game. Maximum pay for minimum exertion could well be the theme for the Twenty20 pay structure. There are exceptions, but in general, human nature will gravitate towards the least demanding option. Not surprisingly, outlandish rewards in T20 cricket (which in many cases don't match ability or effort) are leading to self-interest among the players. T20 cricket will not stand alone. This is not purely a business enterprise we're talking about, it's a game. If T20 is eventually the only form of the game played, you'll have cricket without artists or artistry. There's already growing evidence that T20 cricket is eroding batting skills. It's a general rule that cricket administrations fail to fully think matters through before implementing new ideas. Another given that you can bet on as surely as a short-priced favourite: cricket doesn't have a grand plan to provide a cohesive and prosperous future for all three forms of the game. If there is a mood for restructuring cricket, first rebuild the system that's really failing - the international governance of the game. To think all this upheaval has been brought about by a rampant England. Why, it was only last decade that the best cricket blueprint was to note what England did and do the opposite. Now everyone wants to copy the English system. If only the structure of the international game could be turned around so quickly and successfully.

[Trichromatic]

Are Indian players playing too many matches?

Tbh, number of matches is not too much. Earlier players used to easily play over 80 days of international cricket per year and now we have 140 days of cricket in 2 years. 12 test matches and 20 ODIs or 10 tests and 30 ODIs was good combination for players 10 years ago and they used to get enough breaks with that. Now lesser number of matches have become burden? But what is hurting players - Champions League, IPL and other useless matches. It's not that Indians are playing some unbelievable number of international matches. In fact they don't play many tour games either. Problem is with those T20 matches. Basically you want some relaxation for playing IPL and other T20 matches which is not fair. IPL. If players want rest, simple skip IPL. If you care about test matches and ODIs then forget domestic T20 tournament.

Indian players are not playing too many international matches. What's the problem then? Scheduling is one issue. Why Indians are getting tight schedules these days? Because BCCI adjusts same number of matches in 10 months, instead of 12 months. Is it fair to complain about number of matches when number of international matches are not too many? Is it fair to adjust international test and ODI matches in 10 months instead of 12 months for IPL and champions league?

[Cricket Tragic]

True. Indian players between 1996 and 2000. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;spanmax1=01+jan+2000;spanmin1=1+jan+1996;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=allround Indian players last 4 years http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;spanmax1=30+Aug+2011;spanmin1=30+Aug+2007;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=allround Not a massive difference in international games, is there?

[Trichromatic]

Too many matches, schedules and work overload is a useless excuse by Indian players. What's next? Play the county games, Ranji matches and other domestic tournaments and then cry about overload. :facepalm: Many people say that IPL is not harming Indian cricket. This is where IPL and T20 is hurting them. I always believe that main players should not be allowed to play IPL and giving window to IPL in FTP was wrong.

[CG]

The IPL has devalued first-class cricket At the cost of sounding cynical, I'd like to introduce you to a fine 24-year-old currently playing his second season of first-class cricket. In his debut season a year ago, he'd heaped runs in hundreds and made everyone sit up and take notice-to pull off a stellar performance on your debut is no mean feat. As a worthy remuneration, he was awarded an IPL deal and there too went on to impress one and sundry. Why then should one be so disapproving of him? Well, he's back playing domestic cricket and the longer, four-day format. Only this year it fails to charm him. So alluring has the IPL been for him that bland, long-winded first class-cricket fails to stimulate him anymore. Still stuck in the IPL mode, he scandalously plays a-shot-a-ball in Test-match cricket. It seems he's biding his time, treating first-class cricket as a net session for the coveted IPL. He's both young and talented and one only wishes him well. I'm afraid though, that he may have missed the point by a mile. Much like another 29-year-old seasoned pro; a fast bowler who earned quite a name ever since he made his foray in the Ranji Trophy circuit. Lately though, one can see him go through the proceedings of a Ranji game with an air of indifference. He wasn't always like this. In fact, he'd been a workhorse for nearly a decade and tasted success at various levels. Then a couple of years ago, he was picked up by an IPL franchise, which thankfully gave him his share of recognition and the moolah. Yet, the writing on the wall is clear now: if he continues to play cricket with the attitude he displays in a Ranji Trophy game, his end is a lot nearer than he assumes. I am not calling the IPL 'Satan'. I am merely drawing attention towards a much deeper problem. A lot of people in my fraternity are beginning to believe that as long as they do well in the IPL, nothing else matters. Certain selections for Team India also validate their claim about the futility of toiling hard for five months on the first-class circuit. They still continue to play domestic cricket but only to comply with the rule of a minimum 60 per cent participation in first-class circuit to be eligible to play in the IPL. More, they use these five months as a pre-season training program for the all-important IPL and hence don't lose their sleep if they underperform often. That's where they're getting it completely wrong. Firstly, let's stop treating first-class cricket as a second-grade citizen. The Indian domestic structure has for years tested and primed players who've gone on to win the country its many honors. It's a worthy check of a player's technique and temperament. Secondly, players who believe that it's rather simple to do well in the IPL season after season, without playing any sort of competitive cricket in between, are living in a fool's paradise. Leave apart the perils of developing a dishonest attitude towards the game; after all, actions don't take long to become character. If underperforming becomes your second nature, chances are that even skills won't show up when summoned. The country's premier domestic tournament deserves respect, both by the cricketers and the officials. The IPL is a great concept and hence should be promoted and accepted fully, but not in opposition to first-class cricket. By Akash Chopra.

[rkt.india]

A 24 year old he is talking about must be Sarul Kanwar from Punjab. the 29 year old pacer he is talking about is Siddharth Trivedi, I guess.

[Cricket Tragic]

Pathetic.

[rkt.india]

But Sarul Kanwar plays like that. He is a stroke player, even in his first FC season, he hit a 100 in first session only in a Ranji match and he has not changed his game. He still goes for his strokes.

[bulbul]

Only T20....Nothing else matters much (Test cricket may be for another 10 years)

[ganeshran]

If he means Kanwar - then he is wrong. I saw him batting in the Punjab vs UP match - he is an absolute hack. No footwork, no proper balance while playing his shots. IPL cannot ruin someone whose basics are screwed up in the first place

[saneindian]

Forget the players. We have had a 3 match series changed to a 2 test only series (SA vs Aus), back to back 7-8 Ranji Games (no wonder so many domestic pacers are injured or do not bowl at their optimum pace), a shortened version of Duleep Trophy (when it should be played on a round robin basis as the level of competition is higher and helps us identiyf the key talent for the next level). It has already squeezed our domestic season to November-Feb (they waste nearly a month playing a domestic t20 competition which serves no purpose). When the board itself doesn't care, expecting all the players to still prioritize first class cricket is a wrong expectation.

[rkt.india]

Forget the players. We have had a 3 match series changed to a 2 test only series (SA vs Aus), back to back 7-8 Ranji Games (no wonder so many domestic pacers are injured or do not bowl at their optimum pace), a shortened version of Duleep Trophy (when it should be played on a round robin basis as the level of competition is higher and helps us identiyf the key talent for the next level). It has already squeezed our domestic season to November-Feb (they waste nearly a month playing a domestic t20 competition which serves no purpose). When the board itself doesn't care, expecting all the players to still prioritize first class cricket is a wrong expectation.

Absolutely.

[G_B_]

Akash chopra too slow for the ipl....... no wonder.

[Number]

Akash chopra too slow for the ipl....... no wonder.

:giggle:

[Sachinism]

Can't even blame the players. If the selectors start picking players for the national team based on IPL performances, why would these players want to toil for 4 days?