don_corleone840 Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 TEST 1 Sachin tendulkar 2 sunil gavaskar 3 rahul dravid 4 virendra sehwag 5 Vvs laxman 6 Vijay hazare 7 Mohammed azharuudin 8 Dilip vengsarkar 9 Gautam gambhir 10 Saurav ganguly odis 1 Sachin tendulkar 2 Ms Dhoni 3 Sourav ganguly 4 Yuvraj singh 5 Virendra sehwag 6 Rahul dravid 7 M.azharudin 8 A.jadeja 9 K.srikanth 10 Navjot singh sidhu
akshayxyz Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 Not in that order... Ravi Shastri Chetan Sharma Laxman Sivramakrishnan Arun Lal Saba Karim Maninder Singh Atul Wassan :doh:... I cant think of anyone else but my hitlist
teacup Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 For tests in alphabetical order India's 10 best Amarnath Mohinder Azharuddin Dravid Rahul Gavaskar Sunil Hazare Vijay Manjrekar Vijay Merchant Vijay Sehwag Virender Tendulkar Sachin Vishwanath GR Its a personal opinion :) No Dilip Vengsarkar and VVS? Most people will put them ahead of Mohinder and Vijay Manjrekar.
Mamu Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 Dilip Vengsarkar ahead of Mohinder ? Why Vengaskar -- I would put Kambli too ahead of Mohinder. jeeez! Heck even VVS would find it hard in my list to get ahead of Mohinder. Just to let you know where Mohinder stands -- The Best ALL TIME bowler the world has even seen -- when asked -- who the Best Batsman you ever bowled to? -- replied Mohinder Amarnath.
SJS50 Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 No Dilip Vengsarkar and VVS? Most people will put them ahead of Mohinder and Vijay Manjrekar. You are absolutely right. . . here goes, , , Azharuddin Dravid Rahul Gavaskar Sunil Hazare Vijay Laxman VVS Merchant Vijay Sehwag Virender Tendulkar Sachin Vengasarkar Dilip Vishwanath GR Its the opinion of "most" people
teacup Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 You are absolutely right. . . here goes, , , Azharuddin Dravid Rahul Gavaskar Sunil Hazare Vijay Laxman VVS Merchant Vijay Sehwag Virender Tendulkar Sachin Vengasarkar Dilip Vishwanath GR Its the opinion of most people Glad that you agree but it would help if you explain your choices. I will tell you where I come from. I have seen Mohinder play but not Manjrekar. From what I have read/heard Manjrekar was the Rahul Dravid of his times and certainly deserves to be considered as one of the best batsmen from India. Mohinder in the early 80's was second best only to Gavaskar and in the opinion of Imran was better than Gavaskar against pace bowling. However, if you are comparing batsmen with what they have achieved over an entire career it would in my opinion be difficult to choose Manjrekar or Mohinder over DV or VVS. Considering that both DV and VVS have been mainstays in the Indian middle-order for 15 years and at their peak of their careers have been the very best in the world, it is not a surprise that many rank them higher.
Sooda Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 Tendlukar, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Hazare, Vishwanath, Amarnath, Merchant, Azharuddin,
SJS50 Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 Glad that you agree but it would help if you explain your choices. I will tell you where I come from. I have seen Mohinder play but not Manjrekar. From what I have read/heard Manjrekar was the Rahul Dravid of his times and certainly deserves to be considered as one of the best batsmen from India. Mohinder in the early 80's was second best only to Gavaskar and in the opinion of Imran was better than Gavaskar against pace bowling. However' date=' if you are comparing batsmen with what they have achieved over an entire career it would in my opinion be difficult to choose Manjrekar or Mohinder over DV or VVS. Considering that both DV and VVS have been mainstays in the Indian middle-order for 15 years and at their peak of their careers have been the very best in the world, it is not a surprise that many rank them higher.[/quote'] Mohinder Amarnath and Vijay Manjrekar were amongst the finest players of fast bowling ever. Coming from a country where there were no real fast bowlers and where fearless batting against top rank express bowling in helpful conditions was so very rare, they are high in my reckoning. As I said in my original post it is a personal opinion. I wrote that specifically because I was aware that the choice would get the kind of response it got (not this last post of yours) and I have no inclination to justify my choice further. We can agree to disagree, cant we ? :-)
teacup Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 Mohinder Amarnath and Vijay Manjrekar were amongst the finest players of fast bowling ever. Coming from a country where there were no real fast bowlers and where fearless batting against top rank express bowling in helpful conditions was so very rare, they are high in my reckoning. As I said in my original post it is a personal opinion. I wrote that specifically because I was aware that the choice would get the kind of response it got (not this last post of yours) and I have no inclination to justify my choice further. We can agree to disagree, cant we ? :-) Was not trying to pick up an argument but just wanted to understand the reason behind the choices. That is all.
coffee_rules Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag rest can fight it out.... Azhar, Laxman, GR VIshwanath, Hazare, Amarnath, Vengsarkar, Ganguly
zen Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 I am surprised at people being surprised by Amearnath being ahead of likes of Vensarkar! Amarnath was one of the finest player of pace bowling His away record in WI is superb. If I am not wrong, his record in Pakistan (against 13 Pak players :winky: ) is pretty good too Vensarkar is more like a FTB. His away record is pathetic. He has almost nothing to show apart from his hundreds at Lords. VVS is good but I wouldn't rate him ahead of Amarnath Mohinder Amarnath in WI 9T, 877 runs at 55, 2 100s, in Pak 11T, 856 runs at 57, 4 100s Away 37M, 3008 runs at 52, 9 100s Dilip Vensarkar in WI 11T, 449 runs at 25, 0 100s in Pak 11T, 503 runs at 34, 0 100s Away 62T, 3143 runs at 33, 4 100s (all in England) Dilip Vensarkar has to be one of the most over-rated batsman of all time!
Mamu Posted April 7, 2010 Posted April 7, 2010 I am surprised at people being surprised by Amearnath being ahead of likes of Vensarkar! Amarnath was one of the finest player of pace bowling His away record in WI is superb. If I am not wrong, his record in Pakistan (against 13 Pak players :winky: ) is pretty good too Vensarkar is more like a FTB. His away record is pathetic. He has almost nothing to show apart from his hundreds at Lords. VVS is good but I wouldn't rate him ahead of Amarnath Mohinder Amarnath in WI 9T, 877 runs at 55, 2 100s, in Pak 11T, 856 runs at 57, 4 100s Away 37M, 3008 runs at 52, 9 100s Dilip Vensarkar in WI 11T, 449 runs at 25, 0 100s in Pak 11T, 503 runs at 34, 0 100s Away 62T, 3143 runs at 33, 4 100s (all in England) Dilip Vensarkar has to be one of the most over-rated batsman of all time! I second that statement. BTW I have grown up listening to him bat and watching him. He was stylish and had his moments against England, but overall he is plain simple pathetic. I don't even rate Azhar. And Azhar was far better than Vengsarkar as he had his good moments against the likes of Donald and even Kiwi Bowling and even Wasim and Co.
teacup Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I am surprised at people being surprised by Amearnath being ahead of likes of Vensarkar! Amarnath was one of the finest player of pace bowling His away record in WI is superb. If I am not wrong, his record in Pakistan (against 13 Pak players :winky: ) is pretty good too Vensarkar is more like a FTB. His away record is pathetic. He has almost nothing to show apart from his hundreds at Lords. VVS is good but I wouldn't rate him ahead of Amarnath Mohinder Amarnath in WI 9T, 877 runs at 55, 2 100s, in Pak 11T, 856 runs at 57, 4 100s Away 37M, 3008 runs at 52, 9 100s Dilip Vensarkar in WI 11T, 449 runs at 25, 0 100s in Pak 11T, 503 runs at 34, 0 100s Away 62T, 3143 runs at 33, 4 100s (all in England) Dilip Vensarkar has to be one of the most over-rated batsman of all time! If batting in India and England was that easy how come Amarnath averaged only 30 runs in these two countries? Pray, why couldn't the greatest Indian player of fast bowling average more than 11 runs against the WI in India during the 87/88 series when Vengsarkar averaged nearly 3 times (avg. 102) as anybody who played the entire series. Going by your logic it should have been much easier playing them in India than in WI? Btw, the only away series victory (outside the subcontinent) for India in the 80s came about in England '86 because of one man who is according to you the most over-rated batsman of all time. Remember the Leeds Test match? In conditions as alien to India as it can possibly be he scored 102 out of a team total of 237 in the 3rd inning to set up the victory for India. The point is not to malign Amarnath but considering selective performances and drawing conclusions based on that is a little stupid in my opinion.
teacup Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I second that statement. BTW I have grown up listening to him bat and watching him. He was stylish and had his moments against England, but overall he is plain simple pathetic. I don't even rate Azhar. And Azhar was far better than Vengsarkar as he had his good moments against the likes of Donald and even Kiwi Bowling and even Wasim and Co. ...and the less said about your post the better.
thevortex Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 SJS - why did you take Amarnath off that list? I thought he would have been better than Vengsarkar, dont you think? Not questioning. Just trying to understand the reasoning.
Roshanrocks Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 @ vortex... did u see my thread on Test series for the GODS? there are some interesting calculations u might like to see
thevortex Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I just saw that roshanrocks and yes it is very fascinating. Exactly the kind of thing I visualized to do in that Stats Jugalbandhi thread. Working off factors and arriving at the weighted averages.
Roshanrocks Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 only BB can do it... he has all the stats no? i did only one stat analaysis, the tendulkar vs mcgrath, donald, akhtar n got bored.... by the way did u see that one...? in the gavaskar thread... after that no one commented on the thread... i guess people lost interest
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