mhr123 Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 [Domaink;1060851]A death penalty is not just a punishment. It's either a revenge or elimination of the person because he has become too dangerous for the society and there is no hope of any correction in his way of life. Death penalty is an extreme punishment and should be used rarely in extreme cases. However, there could be some good arguments in favor of the death sentence in kasab's case: 1. The nature of his crime is very ugly and deserves an extreme punishment. - Life sentence is an extreme punishment. 2. This is a very key case and the punishment will set examples for many who may contemplate such crimes in future. It's a statement the Indian government will make to those who intend to raise war against India. This is the right time to show the zero tolerance for terrorism and terrorists. We can not show any mercy whatsoever. - How can you equate capital punishment with strength and zero tolerance of terrorism? This is the American argument and is very poor. 3. A living Kasab will become an inspiration to many more brainwashed young terrorists. The masterminds will use that to show India's weak mentality and he will become a symbol of victory of terrorists over India. - LOL!! He will become no such thing. But by killing him you will most certainly make a martyr of him. 4. A living Kasab will mean a constant threat of another Kandahar. Some lunatic/fanatic at some point of time will attempt something crazy to free him. A living Kasab will be a constant threat to Indian citizens all the time. And another Kandahar and we will become the new laughing stock of the world. - Strengthen your security apparatus. Basically your confidence on the Indian government is so low that you believe killing this one man makes you safer. 5. He can not be corrected anymore. He is way past that. - One, you or me cannot know that as he is only 20 years old or so and two, even if I accept this argument isolation from society is punishment enough. I am generally against death penalties. But this is one case where I think that is the only way.
yoda Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 LOL at all the anti-death penalty brigade. Punishment needs to fit the crime. There are varying degrees of murder and hence different levels of punishment - accidental/manslaughter (few years), premeditated single victim (life), premeditated multiple victims like serial killers, terrorists (DEATH!!!!!!)
Texy Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 don't worry anti -death brigade..... by the time Kasab gets the noose...we'll all be pretty old...kangress won't let that happen.....like afzal is having his biryani laughing at our faces
dial_100 Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 Just imagin he died the day of the attack itself. It wont heart you. They do not have a cause to fight against us. Bunch of folks came on our land to kill our people. Why is it difficult. He was brainwashed or whatever. He is above 21. You can accidentally kill 1 but when you go on to kil 180 people as a group, it is extreme case of lowness in human behavior. NO better than rakshasas (anti human/Anti creation is always anti-god as well). So I wont spend tiny bit of energy on worrying about a person who got punishment for his deed.
CSK Fan Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 LOL at all the anti-death penalty brigade. Punishment needs to fit the crime. There are varying degrees of murder and hence different levels of punishment - accidental/manslaughter (few years), premeditated single victim (life), premeditated multiple victims like serial killers, terrorists (DEATH!!!!!!) I dont see any difference between you and Kasab. You want him killed becuase he killed lots of indians. he killed indians because he was brainwashed into thinking that this was revenge for atrocracies commited by the indians. The logic is the same.
yoda Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 I dont see any difference between you and Kasab. You want him killed becuase he killed lots of indians. he killed indians because he was brainwashed into thinking that this was revenge for atrocracies commited by the indians. The logic is the same. Exactly why you anti-death penalty nut cases are retarded. You can't see the difference between a mass murderer who goes on a rampage killing innocents and those asking for punishment of such a murderer that fits his crime.
Precambrian Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 So your view is to repay one barbaric act with another? Wah! So next time why conduct a trial, we might as well just execute people. I shall repeat. If some Pak infiltrator, in the Kargil mountains, open fire on our soldiers, should we wave back the peace flag, or shoot him down? Your theory suggests we should do the former. When you're at it, will you also suggest we disband our armed forces?
Nova Posted May 6, 2010 Posted May 6, 2010 If some Pak infiltrator, in the Kargil mountains, open fire on our soldiers, should we wave back the peace flag, or shoot him down? Not a good analogy in my opinion. Acts of war are primarily for self defence and killing your enemy is justified. I don't think Gunner will come out and wave the white flag and offer himself as a sacrificial lamb. However, death sentence in a civil court is debatable.
Precambrian Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 Not a good analogy in my opinion. Acts of war are primarily for self defence and killing your enemy is justified. I don't think Gunner will come out and wave the white flag and offer himself as a sacrificial lamb. However' date=' death sentence in a civil court is debatable.[/quote'] Kasab indulged in an act of terror, which is basically a war upon our country. He infiltrated into our country and opened fire on our citizens. How different is he from your average terrorist who is rightly gunned down by our forces in our border? I have my reservations about death sentence, but only in cases of Indian citizens and that too which are not crimes on our country. The fact that he was tried doesnt change the fact that he is a terrorist. His accomplices were gunned down for exactly similar acts, so why the pseudo sympathy in his case now? Or do you condemn their gunning down by our forces as well? His acts are unforgivable in this World. May god have mercy on his soul if he has shown remorse. If anything it's only a case of delayed justice.
Nova Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 ^ I have made my position clear on Kasab's case (see my earlier posts). I commented on your post because I didn't agree with the analogy.
Precambrian Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 ^ I have made my position clear on Kasab's case (see my earlier posts). I commented on your post because I didn't agree with the analogy. My analogy was specific about Kasab and not on death sentences generally. For me it's a shut case. 1.Kasab commited crimes against our nation including massacre of innocent indians. 2. He did not commit anything less heinous than his group members who were killed by our forces. 3. What our forces did was nothing unconstitutional but actually applauded. 4. Which means had Kasab been killed on the day of attack itself, which I feel he should've been, it'd be regarded as the correct thing to do. 5. Nothing has changed now, except that a year and half has passed. His crimes still remain the same. 6. Hence death sentence is just an affirmation of what the forces did back then. Anything less than that would be an indirect statement that what our guys did back then was not constitutional.
Nova Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 My analogy was specific about Kasab and not on death sentences generally. This makes things more clear. I agree with your points.
Clarke Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 My point is not about which is the greater punishment. I have a problem with a society which is appealing to its basest instinct of baying for another human's blood. He will be punished one way or another and we can hardly delude ourselves into believing either form of punishment is humane. The fact that death penalty still exists in our society is a manifestation of the fact that we are still trying to evolve away from animals into humans. The day it's done away with will be another step in that evolution process. You guys do understand that it is in the rarest of rare circumstances that India's law and order system, however crappy it may be, gives the death penalty. It has been years since it was last handed out. I read about that in 2004, they had to search across multiple states for an executioner who would actually carry out the execution. I seriously don't see an issue for crimes such as waging war against the nation and mass murder. Life imprisonment is all good when you have big budgets, high security prisons and negligible threats in western countries but not in India, not in the current environment.
straight.drive Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 The opposition to death penalty stems from the sweeping assumption that all human beings are inherently good and the environment makes them bad. All human beings are not so, and some of them are truly a threat to civilization. There exists no technology to reform them. The only way out is to remove them completely from the society and death penalty is the best option.
The Dark Horse Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Not giving a death penalty will send the wrong signals, u can be a terrorist-yet get away with life imprisonment.
Params7 Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Not giving a death penalty will send the wrong signals' date=' u can be a terrorist-yet get away with life imprisonment.[/quote'] And rot and repent for the rest of your lives instead of being created Martyrs by hanging and being welcomed then by 72 virgins. Mirite? Bhagat Singh found out this inspires people, and you can bet L-e-T are counting on India to deliver a death penalty so they can recruit more. His village is already roiled up up in arms against the Infidel-India. Besides, we're not savages. Grow up and have value for human life regardless. Kesab is a soldier in a war, and it may seem like I'm sympathizing but its the one wishing he receives the death penalty giving him the easy way out (read : why people suicide). These guys are brainwashed to die in their mission. He is the only one who failed. I want to see him faded out of memory as he suffers day by day for what he did instead of being etched on someone's wall as a shaheed and bringing more into this country.
yoda Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 And rot and repent for the rest of your lives instead of being created Martyrs by hanging and being welcomed then by 72 virgins. Mirite? Bhagat Singh found out this inspires people, and you can bet L-e-T are counting on India to deliver a death penalty so they can recruit more. His village is already roiled up up in arms against the Infidel-India. Besides, we're not savages. Grow up and have value for human life regardless. Kesab is a soldier in a war, and it may seem like I'm sympathizing but its the one wishing he receives the death penalty giving him the easy way out (read : why people suicide). These guys are brainwashed to die in their mission. He is the only one who failed. I want to see him faded out of memory as he suffers day by day for what he did instead of being etched on someone's wall as a shaheed and bringing more into this country. We don't change our penalties based on terrorists' and new criminials' values and policies. Just because these Jihadis love to die and treat themselves as martyrs, it doesn't mean society does away with the Death Penalty. We are not savages if we punish the guilty. However those who go on a rampage and kill innocents absolutely are, and which is precisely why they need to be given a higher punishment than those who just kill a person due to personal conflict (read death vs life).
The Dark Horse Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 And rot and repent for the rest of your lives instead of being created Martyrs by hanging and being welcomed then by 72 virgins. Mirite? Bhagat Singh found out this inspires people, and you can bet L-e-T are counting on India to deliver a death penalty so they can recruit more. His village is already roiled up up in arms against the Infidel-India. Besides, we're not savages. Grow up and have value for human life regardless. Kesab is a soldier in a war, and it may seem like I'm sympathizing but its the one wishing he receives the death penalty giving him the easy way out (read : why people suicide). These guys are brainwashed to die in their mission. He is the only one who failed. I want to see him faded out of memory as he suffers day by day for what he did instead of being etched on someone's wall as a shaheed and bringing more into this country. So you want our govt to invest all the money in his security and hear all the bull crap he says, stories which he change every second?
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