Mosque near ground zero

[asterix]

One thing. Islam doesn't recognises Countries and it's boundaries. Hence the respect for the 'Law of Land' and 'Consitution' will only when it serves their purpose. The other day I was watching the 'arrest of that Madani guy' in Kollam, Kerala. One look at the guy and his supporters (1000s of them) would give you indications that they are just living in India but they will never, I say never, harbour any goodwill for the nation. And there are communities after communities, Ghettos after Ghettos which cannot be said to be fully assimilated to the society and the country. Unless Muslim scholars come forward and take charge and assure other religions and countries that Islam allows believers to obey the 'law of the Land' and recognise the coutires boundaries, there's not point in preaching and complaining by Muslims about why Islam is seen in a wrong way..

[Clarke]

Guys, this is the actual design :P very peaceful one and shall build a lot of bridges :winky:

[yoda]

^see this is the hate mongering that goes around. I bet many on this thread itself would probably believe that this is indeed the actual design.

[Texy]

^see this is the hate mongering that goes around. I bet many on this thread itself would probably believe that this is indeed the actual design.

come on! that might not be the actual design but symbolically that's how it's designed, that's how it is suppose to symbolize! a big middle finger to America by building a place of worship in their backyard very near the target where several of their worshipers destroyed 3000 lives in an instant. 9/11 was symbolically meant to attack America's defense, power, capitalism or else why target WTC, White house, Pentagon and not some baseball or basketball stadium at its full capacity. and what's the point of spending $100 million on some fancy mosque with school n gym when average muslims in America won't be able to afford sending their kids to that islamic school ? Shouldn't educating and helping muslims and the younger generation of muslims integrate and rise within the society be the ultimate goal? If you ask thousands of avg muslims in NYC...who mostly do odd jobs at odd hours earning less than $1500 a month...it would be impossible for them to educate their kids at some fancy mosque/islamic school...then what's the point of showing off ? it begs the question...is this done to antagonize America? the design, the price tag, the focus, the goal, the Location all points toward that direction

[yoda]

come on! that might not be the actual design but symbolically that's how it's designed, that's how it is suppose to symbolize! a big middle finger to America by building a place of worship in their backyard very near the target where several of their worshipers destroyed 3000 lives in an instant.?

it is supposed to be a multi storied building with no minarets.

it begs the question...is this done to antagonize America? the design, the price tag, the focus, the goal, the Location all points toward that direction

the design - there is no design out yet other than that it is a multi storied building with no minarets price tag - everything is expensive if you build it in NYC the goal - much like the India Community Center we have here in Milpitas, CA (which is mainly cultural and no worship) the location - is in the heart of NYC, who wouldn't want to have a cultural center there? I bet Indians would love to have one there too.

[someone]

This is going in a wrong direction. Back to the main topic, why did they refuse to build it somewhere else when offered, why are they saying they are building it for the victims of 9/11, why are they talking always talk about rights in any countries? Imo, these all are some reasons why this situation has worsen. They have unknown source of funds and they are adding futher humiliation by saying they are building it for 9/11 victims and then they contradict themselves by saying they have freedom to do whatever they want. Whether it is India, Iran, United States, they talk about freedom and rights for themselves, it seems adaption is not a word in their books as they want to live their way which they believe is the best way for the whole world.

[seedhi]

http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=1146688#post1146688 that thread got closed :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

Why?!!

[King Tendulkar]

^ Cos it does not fit with the PC agenda here. Stating factual stories about islam is not permitted if it can be viewed as slightly negative against the religion of peace. The protests by muslims against danish cartoons and such likes worked well for the protectors of islam in so many ways.

[yoda]

closing that thread was pretty dumb.

[Texy]

this is nothing new here. A lot of Seedhi's threads gets locked down just because he post factual topics that require awareness. He reported a genuine news topic that's on the front pages now....then why lock the thread? Can't ignore the fact that this has happened during 90s militancy in Kashmir and is happening again....has happened when President Clinton came for a visit.

[Clarke]

it is time for the American Muslims to take the initiative and make a serious effort to resolve this unseemly controversy and diffuse this very divisive tension. With a view to respect the sentiments of many Americans, New York City Muslims should voluntarily relocate this Islamic Center, to a new location in lower Manhattan that is further away from Ground Zero. In taking this initiative on their own they will earn much goodwill of the entire American nation, will resolve the current tense relationship between Muslim Americans and other Americans, and will build a very durable bridge of understanding between Muslims and others in America. On behalf of about two hundred thousand American-Muslims with origin in India, we appeal to relocate it, the statement said. http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/22/indian-muslims-want-ground-zero-mosque-relocated.htm :isalute:

[King Tendulkar]

Everyone knows islams goal and aims is to expand, grow and take over. This is always the objective to make the world islamic. Thus this mosque should be stopped and not allowed. As its not simply being done to give muslims a place to worship, only the naive would think this or the head in sand brigade. Its goals are for more sinister, in that it is being used to give islam some kind of victory and to further its goals of growth and dominance. Its important USA stops this as otherwiise they will become another country being taken over by the whims and demands of islam as UK and India have become.

[someone]

Everyone knows islams goal and aims is to expand, grow and take over. This is always the objective to make the world islamic. Thus this mosque should be stopped and not allowed. As its not simply being done to give muslims a place to worship, only the naive would think this or the head in sand brigade. Its goals are for more sinister, in that it is being used to give islam some kind of victory and to further its goals of growth and dominance. Its important USA stops this as otherwiise they will become another country being taken over by the whims and demands of islam as UK and India have become.

Taking it too far. The point is not about arguing if they have the right to build a mosque in USA but building it is about building it close to 9/11 site( so the point is the location). They have been offered a different location, they rejected it. Imo, seems like India itself where mosques are openly built over/next to temples and so after some years if anyone questioned, they will be needed to give the history or scientific proof of the temple just to make people believe there was one rather than the other way around.

[Ram]

Howard Dean becomes the latest high-profile democrat to cave into the politics of the situation. Unfortunately for them, President Obama has been very ambiguous on his views, leaving the door open for a lot of partisan narrative to take its place and the right-wingers have duly oblidged with their scare tactics. On a side note, this whole situation has successfully brought to the surface, the simmering emotions of distrust and fear, the general American public have, for Muslim in America.

[yoda]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/local-strippers-okay-with-ground-zero-mosque-46715 That should settle the issue :giggle:

[Ram]

Ron Paul, the true Conservative in the Republican party.. Comes out in support for the mosque.. :isalute: He came out with a very different twist to this whole story – He says the neocons in the Republican party need the general American population to be mistrustful and hateful of the muslim population so that they keep pushing their agenda of preemptive wars in the middle-east in the future as well. It is so sad that someone like Paul is being continuously marginalized and ignored by the conservative media, both TV and Radio, even as they allocate tons and tons headline news space to Mama Grizzly Palin and Wife-ditching, 3 times married, family values person Newt Gingrich. Just goes on to show how shamelessly hypocritical these guys are.. Speaking of hypocrisy, nothing can beat this.. One of the main source of Fox News baiting on this issue has been the source of money for the proposed Park 51 Islamic center.. They’ve constantly been asking ‘Where is the $100M coming from? This Imam Abdul Rauf, is getting it from the from people with terrorist connections in Iran, middle east.. ‘ Turns out that one of the main donors for this project is Saudi Prince Prince Alwalid Bin-Talal and he has been accused by Fox news, of sponsoring the construction of radical Madrasaas in the middle east. Do you know what else the Saudi Prince has invested on? He’s the single largest share-holder in News Corp, the company that owns Fox news, outside the Murdoch family. So Fox news is also terror news organization?

[yoda]

speaking of hypocrisy what about the liberal hippies pitching for Islam in the name of liberty tolerance secularism yada yada yada .... things that Islam never ever recognizes. Heck there is hardly any Islamic nation that is even remotely secular and democratic.

actually that is called the US constitution :giggle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

[yoda]

so you are saying the US constitution supports draconian medieval and barbaric ideologies ?

shifting the goal post as usual? :giggle:

[Sooda]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/23/charlie-brooker-ground-zero-mosque Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a "victory mosque" slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero. The planned "ultra-mosque" will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin's call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for "victory" is. I'm exaggerating. But I'm only exaggerating a tad more than some of the professional exaggerators who initially raised objections to the "Ground Zero mosque". They keep calling it the "Ground Zero mosque", incidentally, because it's a catchy title that paints a powerful image – specifically, the image of a mosque at Ground Zero. When I heard about it – in passing, in a soundbite – I figured it was a US example of the sort of inanely confrontational fantasy scheme Anjem Choudary might issue a press release about if he fancied winding up the tabloids for the 900th time this year. I was wrong. The "Ground Zero mosque" is a genuine proposal, but it's slightly less provocative than its critics' nickname makes it sound. For one thing, it's not at Ground Zero. Also, it isn't a mosque. Wait, it gets duller. It's not being built by extremists either. Cordoba House, as it's known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations. It'll probably also have comfy chairs and people who smile at you when you walk in, the monsters. To get to the Cordoba Centre from Ground Zero, you'd have to walk in the opposite direction for two blocks, before turning a corner and walking a bit more. The journey should take roughly two minutes, or possibly slightly longer if you're heading an angry mob who can't hear your directions over the sound of their own enraged bellowing. Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is "two minutes' walk and round a corner" from something else isn't actually "in" the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes' walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen's pillow. That's how "distance" works in Britain. It's also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn't, for daft political ends. New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK. That's literally all I'd ask them in an interview. I'd stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I'd ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it's allowed to have. Then I'd hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included. That hasn't happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the "Ground Zero mosque", doubtless in many cases because they've been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not . . . well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face? According to a recent poll, one in five Americans believes Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he isn't. A quarter of those who believe he's a Muslim also claimed he talks about his faith too much. Americans aren't dumb. Clearly these particular Americans have either gone insane or been seriously misled. Where are they getting their information? Sixty per cent said they learned it from the media. Which means it's time for the media to give up. Seriously, broadcasters, journalists: just give up now. Because either you're making things worse, or no one's paying attention anyway. May as well knock back a few Jagermeisters, unplug the autocue, and just sit there dumbly repeating whichever reality-warping meme the far right wants to go viral this week. What's that? Obama is Gargamel and he's killing all the Smurfs? Sod it. Whatever. Roll titles.

[Kriterion]

come on! that might not be the actual design but symbolically that's how it's designed' date=' that's how it is suppose to symbolize! a big middle finger to America by building a place of worship in their backyard very near the target where several of their worshipers destroyed 3000 lives in an instant.[/quote'] the whole point of this Islamic center is to dispel the misconception that "moderate" muslims are somehow linked to the radicals. given that there will be a center for multi-faith dialogue and islamic "proseltyzing" this is a middle finger to the terrorists and their idealogues.

and what's the point of spending $100 million on some fancy mosque with school n gym when average muslims in America won't be able to afford sending their kids to that islamic school ? Shouldn't educating and helping muslims and the younger generation of muslims integrate and rise within the society be the ultimate goal? If you ask thousands of avg muslims in NYC...who mostly do odd jobs at odd hours earning less than $1500 a month...it would be impossible for them to educate their kids at some fancy mosque/islamic school...then what's the point of showing off ?

there will be many muslim children with the funding to attend the school but not enough seats in it. poor argument. the same could be said of Harvard University whose annual tuition is 50k+ plus, excluding living expenses, and is is higher than the average income in the US. following this illogic, harvard should also be shut down...

it begs the question...is this done to antagonize America? the design, the price tag, the focus, the goal, the Location all points toward that direction

i cannot know the inner hearts of the people behind this project, but there is no reason to suspect that is what is going on. Imam Feisal seems to be a very "moderate" imam, and this seems to be more a case of them seizing prime real estate in a convenient location for the muslims who live and work in the area. the fact of the matter is that there are scores of mosques in mahattan already, and these are inadequate in size and facilities. opposition to this especially from people totally unaffected by ground zero, is nothing more than hate politics. further, there willl be a memorial inside the new facility, and the leaders are discussing the feasibility of changing its location. personally, i don't agree with that concession, but the important thing is getting the building up, not its location.