Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 India has protested over the British government's decision to impose a cap on immigration from non-European Union countries, saying it threatens free movement of businesses and professionals. The issue was raised by Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma when he met Prime Minister David Cameron and Business Secretary Vince Cable here on Monday, shortly after Home Secretary Theresa May announced a temporary cap pending consultations with businesses and universities on plans for a permanent annual quota from next April. Mr. Sharma told journalists that he conveyed India's strong “concern†over the issue and was assured that New Delhi's view would be taken into account during the consultations. “I told them that any new regime has to be investor-friendly and must not come in the way of free movement of businesses and professionals. We were assured that our concerns would be taken into account,†Mr. Sharma said. The cap might also affect fee-paying, non-EU students, the lifeline of Britain's cash-strapped universities. The move has sparked a political row, with the government itself reported to be divided over the wisdom of an arbitrary quota system following representations from business groups and educational institutions that it would damage the economy and deprive Britain of the much-needed skilled professionals. More.. I don't quite understand what India is protesting about. The UK is proposing some changes to its own county's immigration system, why should it be worried about how it affects Indians? Who is Anand Sharma to say to the UK government how the new regime must be or must not be. ? I've never heard the UK government or any other government tell the Indian government this is how you should be or shouldn't be? or am I completely missing something here.
IKnowU Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Australian Government is almost planning on doing something similar.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 http://ibnlive.in.com/news/new-visa-rules-not-targeting-indians-oz-envoy/125603-2.html?from=tn We always seems to have a problem when an immigration law is tightened in any country.
Sachinism Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 It had to happen, there was a sudden flood of Indians coming in. mostly non-skilled people looking for jobs
punjabi_khota Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 http://ibnlive.in.com/news/new-visa-rules-not-targeting-indians-oz-envoy/125603-2.html?from=tn We always seems to have a problem when an immigration law is tightened in any country. Dude aren't you in England ? How did you (or your parents) come in and would it be alright if you weren't allowed to come in ? Maybe you need to ask your dad about it ..:idea:
achilles Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 No point trying to teach UK & Australia what to do and what not to. Just come back guys! India needs you.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 Dude aren't you in England ? How did you (or your parents) come in and would it be alright if you weren't allowed to come in ? Maybe you need to ask your dad about it ..:idea: Thanks for the :idea:, but he wouldn't know anything about it. This tightening of the law could mean that I may not get my visa renewed as well in a couple of years, tough ****, but isnt it each individual country's choice how they tighten their immigration laws. We are fighting within Mumbai saying that it belongs only to Mumbai and against migration by other Indian citizens to Mumbai and then we have the gall to tell another country that their immigration should consider India's interests Why?
achilles Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Thanks for the :idea:' date=' but he wouldn't know anything about it. This tightening of the law could mean that I may not get my visa renewed as well in a couple of years, tough ****, but isnt it each individual country's choice how they tighten their immigration laws. We are fighting within Mumbai saying that it belongs only to Mumbai and against migration by other Indian citizens to Mumbai and then we have the gall to tell another country that their immigration should consider India's interests Why?[/quote'] Unfortunately, there is no answer for that "why". I consider their "no response" as a pat on my back as it means that my argument was sound and they appreciate it through their silence.
yoda Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Thanks for the :idea:' date=' but he wouldn't know anything about it. This tightening of the law could mean that I may not get my visa renewed as well in a couple of years, tough ****, but isnt it each individual country's choice how they tighten their immigration laws. We are fighting within Mumbai saying that it belongs only to Mumbai and against migration by other Indian citizens to Mumbai and then we have the gall to tell another country that their immigration should consider India's interests Why?[/quote'] Actually there is something called fair play and when things look biased in favor of a select group, it is natural for the affected group to not be happy and let their position be known. The Mumbai business is not official Indian government policy, just some BS by an out of control group. Believe me if India tomorrow said all Europeans will have to wait 6 months for a Visa approval, people in Europe will protest cause well it is unfair.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 Actually there is something called fair play and when things look biased in favor of a select group, it is natural for the affected group to not be happy and let their position be known. The Mumbai business is not official Indian government policy, just some BS by an out of control group. Believe me if India tomorrow said all Europeans will have to wait 6 months for a Visa approval, people in Europe will protest cause well it is unfair. but this is not biased in favor of any selected group. UK is part of the EU, so they cant do anything about EU immigration. This is for non-EU immigration which essentially is the rest of the World.
achilles Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Believe me if India tomorrow said all Europeans will have to wait 6 months for a Visa approval' date=' people in Europe will protest cause well it is unfair.[/quote'] Something similar happened with Americans. Their stay in India was limited to 3 or 6 months. They created a big fuss, the then Minister Shashi Tharoor supported the Americans and the directive was put on review and Tharoor rapped on the knuckles.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 To be clear, I am not pro this changes, coz as I said earlier there is evry possibility that it will have effect on me personaly as well. I am just trying to understand if there is any rational behind India's protests everytime a country makes changes to its immigration laws, be it the US, UK or Oz
Clarke Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 I don't quite understand what India is protesting about. The UK is proposing some changes to its own county's immigration system, why should it be worried about how it affects Indians? Who is Anand Sharma to say to the UK government how the new regime must be or must not be. ? Well thats how the world works .. recently the President of Mexico criticized the Arizona Immigration law in the US house of Reps. What business does the President of Mexico have in internal US matters ? He has a vote bank of potential illegals who benefit his economy as well while working illegally in USA. Thats the same for India as well, what benefits Indians is in the interest of our govt. I've never heard the UK government or any other government tell the Indian government this is how you should be or shouldn't be? or am I completely missing something here. Really ? The west keeps telling us to go easy on padosis for starters. They also advice us on opening up markets for their products and all. There's a long list of such recommendations from either side.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 ^ Fair enough, thats exactly what I asked, Why and what is the rationale behind these statements.
Serani Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 People need to realise how over populated the UK is, 60 million people living on top of each other and its only going to get worse.
Ram Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 They always toughen immigration when recession happens and jobs are tough to get. Besides, they just had an entire election season in which immigration from South Asia and Eastern Europe was one of the main focal points of the campaign. There’s genuine if not widespread discontent among the locals about seeing their jobs and communities simply being taken over immigrants. The Cameron govt. is just trying to assuage some of their fears.
Rajiv Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 You guys see something common between the Mexican and Indian protests?
Ram Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 I don't quite understand what India is protesting about. The UK is proposing some changes to its own county's immigration system, why should it be worried about how it affects Indians? Who is Anand Sharma to say to the UK government how the new regime must be or must not be. ? I've never heard the UK government or any other government tell the Indian government this is how you should be or shouldn't be? or am I completely missing something here. Ever heard of the term ‘fair trade’? It not only involves free movements of good and services, but also labor. The West browbeats India at every meeting of the World trade organizations, berating us for closing our markets to foreign investment and goods. They want us to open every sector of our industry, including insurance, defence, retail, telecommunications, so that they can come in, sell their goods and make profits, even if it means totally marginalizing the small retail business owner in India. The West makes money from India by investing capital and services, we make money from the west by sending our workforce to their parts of the world. Every year, the Indian govt. earns billions of dollars worth of Forex because of the remittances of the people living abroad. If immigration laws are tightened, it means less Indians can go abroad and work then it has a HUGE impact on our balance sheet.
punjabi_khota Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Thanks for the :idea:' date=' but he wouldn't know anything about it. This tightening of the law could mean that I may not get my visa renewed as well in a couple of years, tough ****, but isnt it each individual country's choice how they tighten their immigration laws. We are fighting within Mumbai saying that it belongs only to Mumbai and against migration by other Indian citizens to Mumbai and then we have the gall to tell another country that their immigration should consider India's interests Why?[/quote'] If it affects me personally, I would urge my government to do something about it, rather than saying "Tough ****". Everyone looks after their own interests, so I don't know why you are surprised at the opposition to changing this law.
Gunner_Mania Posted July 1, 2010 Author Posted July 1, 2010 If it affects me personally' date=' I would urge my government to do something about it, rather than saying "Tough ****". Everyone looks after their own interests, so I don't know why you are surprised at the opposition to changing this law.[/quote'] I am not surprised, I did not understand the rationale behind it and that is what I was questioning.
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