Andy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Who cares about Brand Value? We want to reach the semis (Atleast in IPL 4). Doesnt matter at what Cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 As much as it is a hard pill to swallow for the fans of the teams that have done well, the 3 year auction rule could well turn out to be an absolute blessing for IPL. The USP for IPL has always been the the competitive nature of the games. With the exception of CSK on end of the spectrum and KKR on the other, all other teams have had fluctuating fortunes (DC couldnt win a thing in IPL1, but went on to win IPL 2). And that’s largely because, unlike the NBA or the EPL, all teams have the exact same amount of money to spend, which means the cricketing talent is spread around reasonably equally. Of course, not all combinations work out so well, like KKR has found out so far. In that regard, this 3 year auction rule is an great chance for teams to set the balance straight and reinvigorate the league with fresh talent, combinations and competition. Ultimately, what will keep IPL going is exciting, competitive game, not one or two teams lording over the rest. When someone like Sachin says that it is harsh to break up the combination of teams, you can understand where he's coming from. As a franchize, MI would have worked very hard to transform themselves from a rather listless team in the first two editions, to a front-runner in the third on. It might sound like tough love to break that up at this point. Unfortunately, in the larger interests of the league, this auction rule should be retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 ^^^ The NBA does all the things IPL wants to achieve by not having a auction and introducing new teams at the same time, having a spending limit and also spreading the talent across the teams. NBA has a draft process every year which is flawless, a trade system which helps teams get better and make moves that are for the long run. And also have a salary cap so all teams on level playing field. If IPL babus had half a brain.....they would have adopted something similar. But since auctions rake in the money by the truck loads.......they stick to auctions instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 ^^^ The NBA does all the things IPL wants to achieve by not having a auction and introducing new teams at the same time, having a spending limit and also spreading the talent across the teams. NBA has a draft process every year which is flawless, a trade system which helps teams get better and make moves that are for the long run. And also have a salary cap so all teams on level playing field. If IPL babus had half a brain.....they would have adopted something similar. But since auctions rake in the money by the truck loads.......they stick to auctions instead. Sure NBA has a salary cap too, but there’s one key difference – the players get to choose which franchise they’re gonna sign up for. Invariably, the top players always go for the more storied teams. And that’s why, we have a situation now where Miami Heat alone has 3 all-start starters in its line-up. The auction process works both ways. Sachin is disappointed because there is a prospect of disbanding the MI team, at a time when its all coming together. Would he complaining had MI failed in all THREE seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Sure NBA has a salary cap too' date=' but there’s one key difference – the players get to choose which franchise they’re gonna sign up for. Invariably, the top players always go for the more storied teams. And that’s why, [b']we have a situation now where Miami Heat alone has 3 all-start starters in its line-up. You know how much it eats into their salary cap? Over half the cap, the miami trio cant be sustained for more then 1season. Why? Because of the gradual pay rises, one of them will have to move again to relieve the cap. The same thing can happen in IPL but you need more then 3 players...... The auction process works both ways. Sachin is disappointed because there is a prospect of disbanding the MI team' date=' at a time when its all coming together. Would he complaining had MI failed in all THREE seasons?[/quote'] Whos fault is it that the teams like KXIP and KKR are doing badly? Is it the fault of the good teams? Do they have to suffer because some of the other teams are doing bad? They all started from the same level and they all had same chance and opportunity in the first auction. NBA and EPL has so many teams like KKR and KXIP......Do you see them complaining about having a auction or how hard their lives because they arent doing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 You know how much it eats into their salary cap? Over half the cap' date=' the miami trio [b']cant be sustained for more then 1season. Why? Because of the gradual pay rises, one of them will have to move again to relieve the cap. The same thing can happen in IPL but you need more then 3 players...... Dude, there is nothing like that. They are all signed to long term contract. Yes the team had to make cap room so they can sign 3 super stars and then sign several other players who were willing to play for close to nothing. The 3 aren't going anywhere after 1st season. Anyways, back to the IPL, regarding auction vs draft/trade, I prefer the draft/trade system better simply because it doesn't artificially make people pay excessive amounts to players due to bidding wars. There is more sanity in terms of salaries in the draft/trade system of the NBA. The Miami type scenario happens very rarely because players are more interested in making money than playing for a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Dude' date=' there is nothing like that. They are all signed to long term contract. Yes the team had to make cap room so they can sign 3 super stars and then sign several other players who were willing to play for close to nothing. The 3 aren't going anywhere after 1st season.[/quote'] The players contract are design to increase in increments. For the coming season the cap is just fits. The season after that the increments will take it over the cap. What are you going to do then? Have 5 players on your roster or trade one of the 3 stars to relieve capspace so you can have a proper roster? The players will either have to take a paycut, or cut some players. Anyways' date=' back to the IPL, regarding auction vs draft/trade, I prefer the draft/trade system better simply because it doesn't artificially make people pay excessive amounts to players due to bidding wars. There is more sanity in terms of salaries in the draft/trade system of the NBA. The Miami type scenario happens very rarely because players are more interested in making money than playing for a championship.[/quote'] Trust me the Miami trio can only last short term.......if they are succesful this season they will most likely pay luxury tax on the cap otherwise they will trade one of the players if their goals arent received. Its rare and unique scenario thats even with teams with San Antonio where they have 3 all star players that won 3 Championship together get paid pittance compared to the miami trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girishk14 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 KXIP and KKR really shouldn't complain. Look at the names they have - on paper, these names are way better than CSK RCB and MI players Irfan Yuvi Bret Lee Sanga Mahela Gayle Mcculum Hussey Mendis Matthews Ishant These are as good names as steyn,bollinger,raina,taylor,malinga,morkel,kallis,pollard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 The players contract are design to increase in increments. For the coming season the cap is just fits. The season after that the increments will take it over the cap. What are you going to do then? Have 5 players on your roster or trade one of the 3 stars to relieve capspace so you can have a proper roster? The players will either have to take a paycut, or cut some players. Trust me the Miami trio can only last short term.......if they are succesful this season they will most likely pay luxury tax on the cap otherwise they will trade one of the players if their goals arent received. I agree that they will be in a constant cap mess for years to come and will need to keep signing folks to minimums and small contracts to keep the big three, but it is possible that the cap will also go up slowly. Either way I don't see the big 3 leaving till they have tried their shot at a championship for at least 3 years unless there is major trouble between them forcing a trade before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Here's hoping that they retain most of the players next year..what a team :csk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Win or lose it was going to end anyway being the last match of the tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 This thread is not about winning or losing. Will be interesting to see how many players they will retain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executioner Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 well done CSK, being among the top in all the editions. MSD take a bow. The only reason u guys lost today was because of that Jadeja. Yes, jadeja, doesnt ball, cant do anything but slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 i want to retain 7 locals + 4 foreign players ,, Faf shld also be retained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundar88 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 There's going to be yet another auction? When and why? This seriously has to stop, this was the reason why IPL4 failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 It was one heck of a journey though for them. 90% out.. then came out of nowhere.. then again 2 runs in 3overs for 2 wickets.. again incredible come back. They did great in playoffs.. Just that they met their match unexpectedly in the form of Bisla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundar88 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 It was one heck of a journey though for them. 90% out.. then came out of nowhere.. then again 2 runs in 3overs for 2 wickets.. again incredible come back. They did great in playoffs.. Just that they met their match unexpectedly in the form of Bisla They had the upperhand for the first 23 overs of the match, the momentum shifted in that 4th over where Morkel gave away like 4 back to back boundaries, they never recovered after that. It might have been tighter had Hilfenhaus not bowled that no ball in his last over but Morkel's over imo turned the game around. Great team, was really hearbreaking to see them lose. Their bowling looks very weak now though, I don't think they'll do well next year with these bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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