Please rank the following cricketers....

[The Outsider]

Keith Miller Chris Lewis Vinoo Mankad Ravindra Jadeja Jack Hobbs Imran Farhat Ray Lindwall Mohammad Sami Bill O'Reilly Danish Kaneria Thanks.

[The Outsider]

Given the level of difficulty of the modern game which has already been described in so many threads, my ranking would be : 1. Ravindra Jadeja 2. Mohammad Sami 3. Imran Farhat 4. Danish Kaneria 5. Chris Lewis 6. Vinoo Mankad 7. Keith Miller 8. Ray Lindwall 9. Bill O'Reilly 10. Jack Hobbs. Please get yours in.

[Sachinism]

Jadeja is the greatest of them all 2-10 don't matter

[Sir john]

:WTF: with this thread

[jf1gp_1]

i dont know half the players and the ones i know should be part of list call worst ODI players to have played the game

[The Outsider]

i dont know half the players and the ones i know should be part of list call worst ODI players to have played the game

But I would say they are still better players than the oldies listed there. Because even though the oldies have about twice as better bowling and batting averages compared to the modern players in the list, they played in an amateur era and the modern game is so much more evolved. Just look at the fielding standards for example. If Jadeja was bowling or batting in the 1930s I am pretty confident he would average close to 70-80 with the bat and around 15-20 with the ball, for example.

[jf1gp_1]

But I would say they are still better players than the oldies listed there. Because even though the oldies have about twice as better bowling and batting averages compared to the modern players in the list, they played in an amateur era and the modern game is so much more evolved. Just look at the fielding standards for example. If Jadeja was bowling or batting in the 1930s I am pretty confident he would average close to 70-80 with the bat and around 15-20 with the ball, for example.

ok but how do we know that the oldies from 30s if were playing today with the skills they had combined with modern day crickets training wouldnt have been success today. Forget ranking people on the list you gave, how many on this very board can compare gavaskar and dravid accurately besides looking at stats ?

[The Outsider]

I reckon Jadeja with his electrifying fielding would average around 4-5 run outs per innings if he played in the 1930s. Any takers?

[The Outsider]

ok but how do we know that the oldies from 30s if were playing today with the skills they had combined with modern day crickets training wouldnt have been success today. Forget ranking people on the list you gave' date=' how many on this very board can compare gavaskar and dravid accurately besides looking at stats ?[/quote'] I don't think I am the right person to answer that. Perhaps you should ask the ones who are ranking Tendulkar above Bradman with a double differential in average. They would be in a better position to go into the details of why Imran Farhat is a better batsman than Hobbs, with a similar differential in average. I am merely a convert to the Tendulkar is better than Bradman theory and decided to apply the logic behind it to other cricketers.

[The Dark Horse]

:hysterical::hysterical:

[The Outsider]

A humble request - please don't derail my thread and try to confine the discussion to the cricketers mentioned in the OP and their rankings and abilities. I think Kaneria would have averaged around 15 in the 1930s. His variations would have left all batsmen of that era completely confounded, maybe his teeth as well.

[The Outsider]

Imagine Kaneria and Farhat manning the slip cordon in the 1930s. All those batsmen who got away scoring centuries due to the dropped catches in the slips because of the poor fielding standards of those days, would now be confronted with Baseball mitts in the slips. The net from which there is no escape. Just having Kaneria and Farhat in the slips to improve the fielding standards of 1930s would lower the batting average by 15-20 by my estimate.

[Jadoo]

Imagine Kaneria and Farhat manning the slip cordon in the 1930s. All those batsmen who got away scoring centuries due to the dropped catches in the slips because of the poor fielding standards of those days' date=' would now be confronted with Baseball mitts in the slips. The net from which there is no escape. Just having Kaneria and Farhat in the slips to improve the fielding standards of 1930s would lower the batting average by 15-20 by my estimate.[/quote'] :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[The Dark Horse]

Just having Kaneria and Farhat in the slips to improve the fielding standards of 1930s would lower the batting average by 15-20 by my estimate.

:hehe:

[Ram]

Great thread! :hysterical:

[Sooda]

1) Bill O'Reilly 2) Jack Hobbs 3)Keith Miller 4)Ray Lindwall 5)Vinoo Mankad 6)Danish Kaneria 7)Chris Lewis 8)Ravindra Jadeja 9)Imran Farhat 10)Mohammad Sami

[Guest Gunner]

1) Bill O'Reilly 2) Jack Hobbs 3)Keith Miller 4)Ray Lindwall 5)Vinoo Mankad 6)Danish Kaneria 7)Chris Lewis 8)Ravindra Jadeja 9)Imran Farhat 10)Mohammad Sami

May you burn in hell fire for ranking Keith Miller at No.3. The man should be at No.1

[JonVen]

Ofcourse, skill sets are the same, nothing has changed in the game since WG Grace graced the great game. Bradman is obviously the best because his average says so. Just like Lohmann and Harry Dean are the greatest bowlers ever. Oh wait... :hysterical:

Someone said there are lies, damn lies and statistics! Bradman's high average is not only bcz he was an excellent batsmen (no doubts there) but also bcz the fielding standard was abysmal at that time. Any drive not within a yard of the fielder got thru for a boundary...unlike today when fielding standards (Pakis excepted) are superb. I would go as far as saying batting averages prior to 1990s should ber taken with a large pinch of salt.

[Anakin]

So basically you think SRT is like Jadeja's standard (or worse) when compared to Bradman.

[The Outsider]

Sooda/Gunner, I have been enlightened with a nice conversion metric. Averages in the modern times are worth twice as much of the old days. You have not applied that conversion metric to your rankings yet, I presume. It's just like 1 kg = 2.2 pounds. Now you can't argue that you are only going to apply that conversion for aaloo(Inzi) and not pyaaz(Onions). Without applying the conversion metric, I would say : 1. Hobbs 2. Miller 3. O'Reilly 4. Lindwall 5. Mankad 6. Kaneria 7. Lewis 8. Farhat 9. Jadeja 10. Sami