kumble_rocks Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 There is one right here on this thread. I have openly apologized to proff when I wrongly accused him of deleting my thread. Your turn to show when was the last time you acknowledged a mistake. For eg the Tippu discussion. Quit quoting stupid trivial things. You know very well what i am talking about. I have never seen you change your POV , you are as rigid as a Mullah. You will never change your position on anything. Heck , you didn't have the courtesy to extend sympathy for the muslim victims of the Gujarat riot. On the contrary , you showed contempt. That was after partition ... And I stand by that. A community which wanted a new country for Muslims ( and voted to get one by a huge majority ) should get one and should move there as per their own wish. Still no retraction. Just as I suspected. Make a damning bigotted statement and then add qualifiers like partition to justify the statement. Prof Shwetabh is proof that you made a blanket statement about present day muslims as well and the fact that they should be kicked out of the country. Jizya was a charity tax ? Another lie. When did I say Jizya was charity tax ! Let's see if you apologize for the mistake.:--D
kumble_rocks Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 If you prove me wrong I will . The only debate of any substance between us was the Tippu debate . You ran away when you got on the slippery slope. If you cant handle reality why do you even bother posting on these subjects ? Another lie, Remember , how the Mughal thread wherein I clearly showed that Hindus especially so called brave Rajputs worked hand in glove with the so called Islamic barbarians. You criticize only the muslims . But it's a fact that Hindus played a major role in establishing major islamic caliphate in India. And yet I never see you criticize the Rajputs. Feel free to dig up that thread. Unlike you I dont run away. If you cant debate or handle facts it is your problem. I also told you that we can take this offline because of the touchy mods but feel free to enlighten people here your take on the matter of Private messages :haha: Remember that episode when I was a mod ? You think the garbage you post , usually taken from hindutvas sites as gospel truth and fact. I think not. You do not have a degree in history or literature , yet you feel that you are omniscient personality . Heck , you even felt that you out debated the scholar which Prof Shwetabh had introduced. So tell me, why should I waste my time on you. I will indulge if I want , when I want. Feel free to ignore my posts. Ohh and speaking of bigotry ... your POV which squarely tries to shield the Jihadis despite being aware of the death and destruction caused over 100s of years and claiming a bonafide barbarian like Tippu as a national hero is very honorablke thing ehh ? Do you even know the meaning of bigotry ? And What about the people here who were arguing that there is no problem with Sharia? Mahan atmas they must be ehh? See there is no cure for people with a sense of right and wrong that is set backwards. It is quite natural that you feel my views are bigotted. Likewise I feel you are bonafide Jihadi sympathiser. And ? See its soo easy to hurl around accusations on a internet forum. Lot of common folks think that Tipu is a National Hero. Instead cursing Tipu alone , why don't you curse those Hindus including his minister . Goes to show your mentality. Only muslims are wrong , not hindus , eh ! It was one of your comrades. I will retract if you clearly say that was wrong. Iam asking this because IMO all the usual pseudo secular suspects over here have more or less the same views but feel free to let me know CLEARLY where you stand on that topic of Jizya. And BTW what about your stand on Tippu ? Anytime this decade you going to answer that question I have been asking for god knows how many times now ? Seriously dude , you need help. You got caught lying that I made the statement about Jizya , rather than apologizing, you rant more !
The Outsider Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Bhai logon, mera naam kyon drag queen kar rahe ho. I haven't even written a single post in the thread. KR - please keep any moderation related discussions restricted to PMs with admins/mods.
kumble_rocks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Bhai logon, mera naam kyon drag queen kar rahe ho. I haven't even written a single post in the thread. KR - please keep any moderation related discussions restricted to PMs with admins/mods. It just came because , as usual Mr BB took a potshot at 'liberals' somehow insinuating that we would support the murderer of Salman Taseer. Also , as usual , he keeps bringing prehistoric stuff like Tipu etc. I just quoted the fact that you had your friend debate him to no avail. Anyway , this Mod stuff he brought it and just replied. I will not quote that anymore.
The Outsider Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 ^ I was just kidding about my name being brought in - don't really care. :D But, yeah, the moderation part should be kept in PM, IMO.
kumble_rocks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I actually did that let me know if you want to see that post. There have been far too many Jai Singhs and what you do is not much different from what they did except that you dont have the sort of powers. But what this has got to do with the main topic of the Mughal rulers being barbarians I have no idea. Perhaps its your usual attempt at trying to spread the guilt. Look dude , in this day and age , their tones of information in the net , Anybody can become google ninja and start giving fitting reply to you . Remember CC. Anyway , you claim to be an expert without having any qualification . Your only claim to fame is quoting stuff from dodgy anti islamic sites. And as regards to spreading the guilt . Why not . You act as if Hindus are some saints and only muslims are evil. The fact is , their were considerable number of Hindus who are bunch opportunists who aligned with the so called Islamic Invaders. You like to present one sided argument in black and white wherein all muslims bad , most Hindus good ! .History is a witness to the fact that the truth is in between. Even Christanity had a chequered past . Some of the biggest aholes of this century came from Europe Remember Facists . Is this your pathetic attempt to try and spread the guilt .. I mean whats that got anything to do with the fact he was a Barbarian ? Yes a bunch of dumbass Hindus did help him screw around. Does that somehow NOT make him a barbarian ? Not some Hindus , otherwise how do you explain army of 12000 invade an entire country. Either Hindus are wimps or they worked hand in glove with the Islamic invaders. Pick your poison. Dont get personal with me KR ... I can quite similarly tell you a bunch of things that you need help on. It is quite easy to do on a anonymous internet forum and trust me I can do it just as scathing as you do if not more. The question is simple do you agree or not with that statement on Jizya. For once stop beating around a bush and respond like a grown up ( see I got personal quite easy really ) . If you do you will get a retraction and a apology. Your choice. If you talk respectfully I will most certainly return that courtesy. If you talk trash I will do the same. The choice is entirely yours. Again , you truly are deluded. I could care less the way you talk to me , I still will try to be respectful , and yes , nothing wrong in me saying you need help . So much hate for a family man sets a bad example for the next generation.
Cricket_Guru Posted January 8, 2011 Author Posted January 8, 2011 why are you people going into such long arguments over us lol. you cant solve it, we need jinah and gandhi back, and appologies, and get together again. i doubt it you people will accept pakistan anymore :--D
mainhoonna Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I am curious now as to what you think is the biggest problem India faces. IMO its corruption. The Raja's,the mayavati's ,the chavan's,the corrupt babu's-besides their corruption,the other common point in them is their religion. Do you think it is something in hinduism that teaches them to be greedy dishonest individuals.
someone Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I am curious now as to what you think is the biggest problem India faces. IMO its corruption. The Raja's,the mayavati's ,the chavan's,the corrupt babu's-besides their corruption,the other common point in them is their religion. Do you think it is something in hinduism that teaches them to be greedy dishonest individuals. Hahahaha. First wrong topic and I am more than happy to increase your knowledge about the world. First, corruption is not the problem, it is a symptom. If you try to solve corruption, nothing will work and eventually it will become more worse. Next more importantly, corruption is something about human nature and everyone does that in the name of selfishness. But "terrorism" nowadays is more about dominance and is done by muslims in the name of God. This only blinds and brainwashed their future generations. Thereby leading to a big problem for the whole world. Maybe you could tell us your solution for this worldwide problem caused by 1 particular
kumble_rocks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 @BB , I will ignore your rants. I have better things to do in life then respond to a poster who has no life. And yes , I will debate if I want ,when I want and with whomsoever I want. And occasionally I will take the mickey out of posters like your self who needlessly indulge in potshots at posters with whom they disagree. And as regards to Tipu or Jizya , I owe you nothing ! I could care less what you think about these topics , so pray tell me , why should you care what I think.
kumble_rocks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Bring it on buddy ... I will be here to chase you around silly and run you down. :hysterical: I am shaking , I am really scared !:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
kumble_rocks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 so you should be :hehe: Dude, Here is some free tip for you . Get some fresh air ! :--D
Texy Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 With this assassination basically they have warned all liberals, moderates to think twice before you stand up against the majority and their illiterate laws created to protect the religion from any criticism and wtf why was that pop front of india thread got locked along with Kashmir flag one..... what's with this over barrage of censorship? Outy at it again..
The Outsider Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 and wtf why was that pop front of india thread got locked along with Kashmir flag one..... what's with this over barrage of censorship? Outy at it again.. Huh? Dude if you have any moderations concerns PM me. The only posts that have been edited/deleted from this thread have nothing to do with the topic - they were a slanging match between BB and KR about moderation.
Texy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Found this SITE --- Scroll down to the responses by general pakistanis....pretty shocking stuff..... some even called the Late Governor to move to India w/ this kinda lifestyle as Pakistan is a land of pure muslims.
Mamu Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Found this SITE --- Scroll down to the responses by general pakistanis....pretty shocking stuff..... some even called the Late Governor to move to India w/ this kinda lifestyle as Pakistan is a land of pure muslims. What is more surprising to me is the reaction of people like yourself about the Paki Society. Did you think this nation called Pakistan is any better? And what exactly was the reasoning for that? Did you fall in the trap of many a leftist liberals and ICF resident Paki Fuqs who try to portray Pakistan as a society that is really standing shoulder to shoulder with a large part of the world? Dude we are talking about a society where a Big Chunk of Population (and when I say Big Chunk it is close to or may be even more than 50%) -- are nothing but a bunch of rag tag uneducated, imbecile, radicalized, fundamental lunatics running around whose minds are posioned in more than one way --- scarily enough supported by the state. And from the educated mass, a big chunk of them have a big problem in coming to grips with the reality of the outside world. Just having a BA/BS/MA Degree seal means nothing. A large part of Sub-Saharan African Nations are either better than Pakistan or at on ther way to becoming better. Almost all Asian Nations are better than Pakistan. A Classic example to compare would be Pakistan to Bangladesh. See where they are today. And last but not the least -- there is No Other Nation that I can see where the State gets involved and supports the lunacy of its people as they do in Pakistan, especially since I firmly believe Pakistan can if it wants control given its army, which cannot be said for some other states like Somalia for example.
ravishingravi Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 p95jH90vpjw&feature=player_embedded Mumtaz Qadri reciting naat under police custody. I can't deny the "religion of peace" argument. Look at how peaceful he looks. Wonderful voice too.
The Outsider Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I know I shouldn't be laughing since a couple of guys' free lives' are in balance, but really WTF! Life sentence for tearing a poster! http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110111/wl_sthasia_afp/pakistanreligionblasphemy MULTAN, Pakistan (AFP) – A Pakistan court has jailed a Muslim prayer leader and his 20-year-old son for life on controversial blasphemy charges in the rural centre of the country, court officials said Tuesday. The case follows the killing of Punjab provincial governor Salman Taseer by his bodyguard last Tuesday, after the outspoken politician called for reform of the law that was recently used to sentence a Christian woman to death. Mohammad Shafi, 45, and his son Mohammad Aslam, 20, were arrested in April last year for removing a poster outside their grocery shop advertising an Islamic event in a nearby village which allegedly contained Koranic verses. Judge Mohammad Ayub, heading an anti-terrorism court in the central Pakistani town of Muzaffargarh, handed down a life sentence to the pair on Monday, his assistant Faisal Karim told AFP by telephone. The prosecution alleged organisers of the event, which commemorated the anniversary of the Prophet Mohammad's birth, said the pair had "pulled the poster down, tore it and trampled it under their feet," Karim said. "The judge sentenced them to life imprisonment on charges of blasphemy and ordered them to pay a fine of 200,000 rupees ($2,350) each," he said. Liberal politicians and human rights activists in Pakistan say the blasphemy law, which carries the death penalty for the worst offences, is sometimes used to settle personal scores and encourages Islamist extremism. Defence counsel Arif Gurmani vowed to challenge the verdict in the high court because "it has been given in haste" and was the result of inter-faith rivalries, he said. "Both are Muslims. The case is the result of differences between Deobandi and Barelvi sects of Sunni Muslims," he said. "Shafi is a practising Muslim, he is the imam of a mosque and he had recently returned from a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.... I am defending them because I am convinced they are not guilty of blasphemy," he said. Nobody has been executed in Pakistan for blasphemy and those given the death penalty have so far had their sentences overturned or commuted on appeal. Since Taseer's assassination, right-wing religious clerics have heaped praise on his killer and stoked controversy over reform of the law. The government has said it has no plan to reform the law. The controversy was sparked when former information minister Sherry Rehman tabled a private member's bill in November, seeking to abolish the death penalty for blasphemy.
kumble_rocks Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I feel to understand how any sane person can support blasphemy and apostacy laws. Goes to show how insecure that person is !
kumble_rocks Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 And last but not the least -- there is No Other Nation that I can see where the State gets involved and supports the lunacy of its people as they do in Pakistan, especially since I firmly believe Pakistan can if it wants control given its army, which cannot be said for some other states like Somalia for example. Let's not kid ourself regarding the identity of a Paki army, It's worst then the mullah crowd. Remember Zia Ul Faq. This ahole was the biggest reason why Pakis are radicalised today. He was the one who re-instated the blasphemy law and added all those clause which has resulted in the judge ordering death sentence for tearing down a poster.
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