Cricket_Guru Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 welcome to year 2011, with another top the rank pakistani leader killed. its a sad loss but to me he deserved it, saala badmaash tha aik number ka. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The governor of Pakistan's Punjab province, Salman Taseer, has died after being shot in the Pakistani capital Islamabad. Mr Taseer, a senior member of the ruling Pakistan People's Party (PPP), was shot near a market popular with wealthy Pakistanis and foreigners. He was taken to hospital where he died from his injuries. Police say he was shot by a member of his own security detail as he got out of his car. The BBC's Aleem Maqbool, in Islamabad, says Mr Taseer was one of Pakistan's most important political figures and his death will further add to political instability in the country. The PPP-led government is dealing with a political crisis that erupted after a coalition partner quit. It is unclear what motivated his assassin. Mr Taseer had recently spoken out against the country's blasphemy law, prompting protests by Islamists. Punjab is Pakistan's most populous province.
ravishingravi Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 CG, I am really not sure how this country will get any better. You look at Imran Khan and then you have to come back to ground realities to understand how screwed up things really are.
Cricket_Guru Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 CG' date=' I am really not sure how this country will get any better. You look at Imran Khan and then you have to come back to ground realities to understand how screwed up things really are.[/quote'] It will take time, politiians will either learn or get vanished....new blood needs to step up, no more recycling :--D
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 He held liberal views and his stance on the blasphemy law was what apparently caused his attackers to kill him.
beetle Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Sexually harassed' woman stabs Purnea MLA to death PTI, Jan 4, 2011, 01.15pm IST PURNEA: Ruling BJP MLA from Purnea Raj Kishore Keshari was today stabbed to death at his residence here allegedly by a woman who had earlier accused him of sexual harassment. Keshari, 51, a four-time MLA, was meeting visitors of his constituency at his Sipahi Tola residence here this morning when the woman Rupam Pathak stabbed him, badly damaging his spleen, Director General of Police (DGP) Neelmani said in Patna. The profusely bleeding MLA was rushed to a nearby hospital but he succumbed to his injuries, doctors attending on him said. Visitors assembled at the MLA's residence caught hold of Pathak and thrashed her severely before handing her over to police. Police got the injured Pathak admitted to a government hospital where her condition was stated to be critical, Neelmani said. Pathak, a school teacher, had last year accused Kesri of raping her and had lodged a case againt him. In her First Information Report (FIR), Pathak had alleged that Kesri and his men had ****d her for a period of three years. Shocked at the news of Keshari's death, Chief Minister Nitish Kumar directed the DGP to thoroughly review the security of all legislators. He also ordered the DGP to constitute a high-level probe team and ensure frisking of visitors of the legislators. Kumar asked Deputy Chief Minister Sushil Kumar Modi to rush to the spot immediately and said the cremation would take place with full state honours. The chief minister also appealed to the people and supporters of Kesahri in Purnea to maintain peace as the guilty would soon be brought to justice. State BJP president C P Thakur condemned the killing of the Keshari and said the case must be probed thoroughly. "We will like a thorough probe into the incident," Thakur said. He said, "In his (Keshari's) death, we have lost a young and dedicated soldier of BJP... we pray to God to give enough strength to Keshari's family and followers to tide over the grief." DIG Purnea will probe the murder. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sexually-harassed-woman-stabs-Purnea-MLA-to-death/articleshow/7215023.cms No politician has come to the support of this women...instead they are worried about the safety of politicians.There is even talk of cremation with full state honour.... No action has been taken against the people(hs supporters) who beat her to pulp.We need a few more people like her .
ravishingravi Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 It will take time' date=' politiians will either learn or get vanished....new blood needs to step up, no more recycling :--D[/quote'] Not just Politicians. Look at the response of the people. There are celebrations in many circles. Look it up.
Clarke Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Taseer had openly opposed the blasphemy law, which was introduced during the tenure of late president Zia-ul-Haq, and campaigned for the pardon of Asia Bibi, a 45-year-old Christian woman and mother of five, who was sentenced to death after being convicted for insulting Prophet Mohammad. The colourful governor, who often used Twitter to express his opinion, had tweeted some days ago that he would continue to speak out against the blasphemy law despite backslash from hardliners and religious elements. How is this a positive development ? I guess he was corrupt hence the celebration(s), but this is not something to be proud of.
Texy Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 another victim of Blasphemy law..... another victim of speaking out against bs laws created by man to safeguard Islam In his mind he did nothing wrong and only did what's necessary to protect Islam...he's not a terrorist but a protector and will go to heaven...in his mind anyone speaking against laws created to protect Islam is an automatic enemy of Islam and thus needs to be killed to protect the sanctity. He probably did this while reciting his Kalimah and will be known by many as a Martyr if death penalty given. nothing new.... SSDD -- same sh!t diff day --- fanaticism, barbarism in the name of protecting religion
Texy Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Salman Taseer on Asia Bibi case: "He's a liberal, modern-minded president, and he's not going to see a poor woman like this targeted and executed ... it's just not going to happen," he said. "The blasphemy law is not a God-made law. It's a man-made law," he said. "... It's a law that gives an excuse to extremists and reactionaries to target weak people and minorities." No "big, rich, powerful man" runs afoul of the law, he noted. "It's only the poor people who they want to, you know, either grab their property or threaten them or get into local disputes. So the law is actually an unfortunate leftover from a military regime. It has to go in due course or be amended, and I think the pressure is on us, is on the parliamentarians now. "People have spoken up, I'm very happy to say," he added. "I took the initiative and I think from all sides ... people are coming out and openly condemning the blasphemy law. I think that's encouraging." Taseer said he would like to see the law "changed in such a way that it just basically says, if you insult any prophet, no matter who he is, that's a criminal offense, but certainly not punishable by death." He introduced the 1st english news channel in Pakistan.
Guest Gunner Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 He is Tavleen Singh's ex-husband/companion. RIP.
Texy Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 http://www.facebook.com/Malik.Mumtaz.Qadri <<< attacker's fan page on FB...pretty disgusting....almost 2000 ppl "liked" it ....as expected everyone hailing him as a hero and a Martyr
King Tendulkar Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 its a sad loss but to me he deserved it, saala badmaash tha aik number ka. . Thats why pakistan is in a mess it is and will always be a mess. The mentality of them is shocking. p.s Curious why you feel he deserved to be murdered?
Cricket_Guru Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 Thats why pakistan is in a mess it is and will always be a mess. The mentality of them is shocking. p.s Curious why you feel he deserved to be murdered? I dont have keen interest in pakistan politics, but by people reaction in my community, whenever he use to come on TV, my granddad use to go mental at him, who surprisingly is his twin lol, just today, i went to local shop, they are talking about giving mathia in celebration lol, same thing when i went mosque to prayer, no one is concerned and some think its the right thing...he deserved it then to me :nervous: i seriously cant trust anyone....i hear from one ear and throw it out from the other- 'afridi'
Zap_Brannigan Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 So he spoke against the blasphemy laws and got killed. I suppose that one lunatic can kill a person that opposes his views anywhere in the world. But only in pak can a lot of educated people support this and be proud of it. Bunch of lunatics.
ravishingravi Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 The Pakistani Liberal I had never heard of the Governor of Punjab Salman Taseer before I joined Twitter. Several times I had been forwarded (RT-ed to use the proper jargon) his tweets by people I follow. Most of them, containing ridiculous clap-trap like India fomenting terrorism in Pakistan, the absence of proof of Pakistani involvement in 26/11, the RSS did-it innuendo,the brave freedom-fighters of Kashmir struggling against the demoniacal Indians, just made me chuckle in the same way that Zaid Hamid and Johnny Lever does, as a result of which I slotted him away in my mind as yet another “Pakistani public intellectual.” Well Salman Taseer died today, shot to death by one of his own guards. His crime: he had been working to prevent the death sentence for blasphemy to a Christian Pakistani citizen Aasia Bibi. She had been refused access to water because she was Christian. She had resisted conversion to Islam, for which she was dragged on the street, gang-****d and then the Pakistani courts gave her the death sentence for insulting Islam. All that Taseer had tried to do was to prevent her from being killed. He was not trying to bring to justice those who had gang-****d her. Just to prevent her for being put to death. “The death of a liberal” moaned the wise men and women on Twitter. I wondered why. Was it because as Rajdeep Sardesai said “Salman Taseer used to drink and womanize” (He had an out-of-wedlock son with a prominent Indian journalist)? But if reckless drinking and multiple partners were a sign of liberalism, Saudi princes would be Noam Chomsky. Or was it because Salman Taseer mirrored the ideals of the garden-variety Indian liberal i.e. those who think India, Israel and the US are imperial powers, those who are convinced that India is massacring its minorities and that the RSS is even more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalism? Yes I was being facetious in the last line. But honestly, can Salman Taseer be called a “liberal” as we understand it? Perhaps not. But in the context of Pakistan, what he did, an act of simple humanity (that of campaigning for a totally innocent woman who had been ****d not be put to death) was one of great courage. It surely was not a politically expedient move since supporting a Christian woman was guaranteed to be immensely unpopular in a violently intolerant country like Pakistan. If you want proof, one need only to go to the Facebook page supporting and lionizing the assassin of Salman Taseer that sprung up hours after the murder, getting “Likes” at the rate of 5/minute and where Pakistani Net-users were applauding the murder of reprobate Salman Taseer and the death sentence of the Christian woman. These people (and I surfed over to a few of their profiles) were not goat-herders in the backwaters of Pakistan, deprived of a modern education, but students of Karachi and Lahore colleges, schools and universities, the elite of the elite. And if these youngsters, those that typically form the background of the politically “liberal” culture of any country (I write “politically” because one of the most rabid posters there had as his favorites “Sexy Belly Dancers”) wrote the messages that I saw there, one could only comprehend what the Madrassa-graduated and the uneducated masses would be like. In India, being liberal is a “fashion statement” like wearing Prada, with the “liberal” tag a prerequisite for being considered an “intellectual”, essential for walking in some of the exalted circles of the country, for being a poo-bah in the national media, for government honors. In Pakistan, the bar for “liberalism” is much much lower. It does not mean gratuitous self-flagellation. It does not mean calling one’s own country a terrorist nation (like our liberals do) or in calling another country, whose Navy and secret services send trained killers to massacre innocents a “great neighbor to have”. Nor does it entail supporting those who wage an armed insurrection against the Constitution and the rule of law (which our Maoist apologists do). It means things like taking a stance in support of a woman, who has been ****d, so that she not be executed just on account of her religion. And the consequences of even this type of liberalism in Pakistan? Not good. Not good at all. http://greatbong.net/2011/01/05/the-pakistani-liberal/
ravishingravi Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Two of the most common comments I receive through emails are: ‘If only Pakistan imposes true Islamic system, we’ll be able to get rid of the hypocrisies committed in its name.’ Of course, most of such suggestions are purposed by my fellow Pakistanis. The other comment in this regard is usually from Dawn readers living in India or the West. It’s a simple question: ‘Why are Pakistanis always so engrossed about religion?’ I am no scholar (religious or otherwise), but rather a student of history with a keen interest in understanding it through the lens of cultural anthropology. You see, most of us living in Pakistan have always been advised to look at cultural studies with suspicion. It has been embedded in us that this sort of an enquiry leads one to question the very foundations of the country’s ideology. But, the problem is, the less equipped or inclined we are to questioning what we’ve been told, the more one-dimensional remains our understanding of the diverse range of people that reside in Pakistan; and also, that we become more vulnerable to the continuous volley of half-truths and glorified delusions that have been coming our way from dictators, textbooks and certain media crackpots. The whole notion of being a country buzzing with ethnic, sectarian and religious diversity becomes something to be afraid of. To many this is something to be repressed with the help of an ideology that has, over the decades, been imposed upon this diversity by a curious nexus of so-called modernist Muslims and their more myopic and puritanical counterparts. At the centre of this all is an ever-weakening state, which, from 1947 till 1977, shunned recognising the dynamics of Pakistan’s diversity by imposing a nationalistic Muslim identity. It didn’t work. In the absence of the kind of democracy that a diverse nation requires, this all-encompassing Muslim nationalism only ended up alienating the centuries-old cultural moorings of the numerous ethnicities in Pakistan. So, as the Baloch, Sindhis and Pashtuns rose up in anger; Bengalis of the former East Pakistan did the same, who eventually decided to rip themselves away from Pakistan’s ideological equation. Though the anti-diversity dynamics of Muslim nationalism were, by and large, successful in keeping this ideology’s more radical advocates at bay, the 1971 East Pakistan debacle left this ideology vulnerable to the influence of what was once dismissed as being the Islamist fringe. Gradually, especially with the arrival of the dictatorship of General Ziaul Haq, the ideology’s early modernist dictum of modernising Islam was turned on its head when the new ideologues decided to Islamise the modern. Sir Syed gave way to Abul Ala Mawdudi. The kind of theological, political and cultural damage this long-winded attitude has inflicted in the past three decades has made the state and governments of Pakistan willing hostages to the abrasive and reactionary ways of the puritanical ideologues. What’s more, today, even some of the most educated young Pakistanis have lost the capacity to question what is dished out to them as Islamic/Pakistani history and ideology. We are still not prepared to face an obvious truth that may put the very essence and foundation of our so-called ideology into question. Has not this ideology — first of modernist ‘One Unit’ Islam, and then the exhibitionistic and militaristic version of it — completely failed to achieve what it wanted to? That is, to turn a diverse Pakistan into a united, ideological whole based on religion? It was always an over-ambitious and Utopian task. We were never ‘one people’ in the organic sense of the word. The majority of us were Muslims (and still are), but our understanding of the faith is intricately linked to and informed by the cultural moorings of our own distinct ethnicities and sects. Laws and policies cannot be made to succeed based upon the simple idea that all Muslims believe in the same God and the same book. What passes as Islamic law in certain Arab countries would be an anachronism in Pakistan. In the same way, what may be a success (as an Islamic law) in certain areas of the Deobandi dominated Khyber Pakhtunkhwa could be offensive to the Barelvi or Shia dominated areas of the Punjab and Sindh. There has never been a consensus among the sects and ethnicities of Pakistan about the ideology of Pakistan. How can there be? Shouldn’t the consensus be more about recognising the ethnic and sectarian diversity of this country, giving all the democratic participants of this diversity as much autonomy as possible (through a fair democratic process) to take responsibility of just how much religion, or what sort of religion (if at all), would every ethnicity and sect want to use in their respective communities’ politics and society? The state’s role should be to make sure that such a national consensus holds and that none of the state’s institutions is allowed to identify with any one ethnic or sectarian group or its ideology. We have to finally recognise (on an official level) that we live in a land of manifold ethnicities and multiple interpretations of Islam. This phenomenon has to be harnessed and celebrated, not repressed or be afraid of. This kind of repression has produced nothing but an ideological neurosis that we suffer from today. http://www.dawn.com/2010/12/26/smokers-corner-let-s-let-go.html
Texy Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 he received 26 bullets for standing up for that christian woman ...islamic radicalism has swept Pakistan and about to take a stronghold ....this is disgusting
youngindia Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 "The state’s role should be to make sure that such a national consensus holds and that none of the state’s institutions is allowed to identify with any one ethnic or sectarian group or its ideology. " what is this author smoking? he fails to acknowledge the existing realities. multi cultural democracy is not an accepted ideology, if not an alien ideology, in the asian part and some african parts of the islamic world. otherwise pakistan would not have happened at all. Poltical islam in its various nefarious forms is the predominantly accepted ideology. these things happen becuase many a misguided youth delude themselves as "defenders of islam" as they view poltiics in that prism and to destructive effect. the day thinkers in the muslim world acknowledge nationAlism as the logical and practical course and denounce "religious unity" as impractical and destructive, we have the solution. otherwise they are out of tune with reality like that day dreamer mohammed iqbal.
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