yoda Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Egyptian-Activists-Military-Rulers-Promise-Constitutional-Referendum-in-2-Months-116150319.html
yoda Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 Tom Friedman on this: http://ishare.rediff.com/video/news-and-politics/egypt-was-like-a-caged-tiger-tom-friedman/2750815
seedhi Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 CBS's Lara Logan suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating by Egyptian protesters the Mubarak stepped down. In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers. Video [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctBVyXrPU]YouTube - CBS News' Logan Recovering After 'Brutal' Attack[/ame] Link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/15/60minutes/main20032070.shtml
Guest Gunner Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 Now you have your facts, tell me what makes you think that Egyptians are an oppressive, misogynist lot?? Maybe you should hold judgment on a country/ people till you know something about them. Have you been to Egypt? Have you studied Egyptian history in college? Have you talked to any Egyptians? What exactly then are the basis of your claims? Oh boy, I am itching to say a lot of things but I am going to try to be concise. I have been to Egypt a few times, I probably know more about Egyptian and greater arab/central asian/turkic history than most people will ever care to know. I would like to point out a few things: Egypt "looks" like India however it is a lot more uneducated and extremely poor. It serves as a brothel by and large for saudi and kuwaiti men to come and sow their wild oats. I saw a moroccan belly dancer being auctioned for a "private dance" on the top floor bar of the nile sheraton hotel. It is a society where poverty has forced men to do things to their own women which is abnormal. The only requirement in the arab world to go whoring is that as a man you should be "muslim" (it somehow is not zina anymore...lol). Ask arab friends if you have any what a "furnished apartment" means in Syria or Egypt. I can tell you wild tales from North Africa (Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt) if you want to know. All these claims that its gross generalisation and so on is poppycock. The arab world is very much a patriarchal society (lived there for four years). You just don't know how those guys work. As far as misogyny goes I think that is an underlying male trait which would be proportionally the same for any culture, religion or race.
ravishingravi Posted February 16, 2011 Author Posted February 16, 2011 Oh boy, I am itching to say a lot of things but I am going to try to be concise. I have been to Egypt a few times, I probably know more about Egyptian and greater arab/central asian/turkic history than most people will ever care to know. I would like to point out a few things: Egypt "looks" like India however it is a lot more uneducated and extremely poor. It serves as a brothel by and large for saudi and kuwaiti men to come and sow their wild oats. I saw a moroccan belly dancer being auctioned for a "private dance" on the top floor bar of the nile sheraton hotel. It is a society where poverty has forced men to do things to their own women which is abnormal. The only requirement in the arab world to go whoring is that as a man you should be "muslim" (it somehow is not zina anymore...lol). Ask arab friends if you have any what a "furnished apartment" means in Syria or Egypt. I can tell you wild tales from North Africa (Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt) if you want to know. All these claims that its gross generalisation and so on is poppycock. The arab world is very much a patriarchal society (lived there for four years). You just don't know how those guys work. As far as misogyny goes I think that is an underlying male trait which would be proportionally the same for any culture, religion or race. I want to :winky:
ravishingravi Posted July 26, 2013 Author Posted July 26, 2013 Pass my ello to Jinnah. Also tell him that the monocle adds to his overall ugliness. He needs a new fashion designer ASAP. Oh and btw, I don't get your post. You seem to have confused Saudi Arabia with Egypt. If I were you, I'd apply for a job at Fox News and Fox Geography Network :P Hmm!! Yam, almost 2 years have passed. Situation seems much worse than anyone anticipated. The radicalized muslim brotherhood which had majority support has been thrown and marginalized. People dying in daily skirmishes. Country more divided than ever before. As suspected, Morsi went for the jugular and tried to impose political Islam. And I still don't think I am nut enough for Fox.I just recalled this post when I was watching this documentary. VRgYRhnM0tM
ravishingravi Posted July 26, 2013 Author Posted July 26, 2013 ^Great post. I think Egypt is more likely to move towards Pakistan than Turkey imo' date=' mainly due to this romanticizing with the army. Army has done nothing but jumped the boat knowing that Mubarak's days are over. I think it will have an important say in where Egypt heads hereon.[/quote'] Hmm !! Sometimes you do wish you weren't right.
someone Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 Syria perhaps is similar to this which is why some nations are reluctant to take the same steps once did.
Mariyam Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Hmm!! Yam, almost 2 years have passed. Situation seems much worse than anyone anticipated. The radicalized muslim brotherhood which had majority support has been thrown and marginalized. People dying in daily skirmishes. Country more divided than ever before. As suspected, Morsi went for the jugular and tried to impose political Islam. I don't buy the 'country more divided than ever before' line of thought. They're a huge nation. Densely populated in a very narrow geographical confine. The divisions that you mention, were always there. Its just that under the Mubarak regime democratically elected dictatorship, the opposition had a common foe- Mubarak. This (and the anti Mubarak) movement was a mass uprising. In the aftermath of such movements, there is a period of chaos. The French revolution was no different. The masses got rid of one cake eating tyrant, and the vacuum/lack of unity among the revolutionaries , call it what you will lead to a Napoleon.
ravishingravi Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 I don't buy the 'country more divided than ever before' line of thought. They're a huge nation. Densely populated in a very narrow geographical confine. The divisions that you mention' date=' were always there. Its just that under the Mubarak [s']regime democratically elected dictatorship, the opposition had a common foe- Mubarak. This (and the anti Mubarak) movement was a mass uprising. In the aftermath of such movements, there is a period of chaos. The French revolution was no different. The masses got rid of one cake eating tyrant, and the vacuum/lack of unity among the revolutionaries , call it what you will lead to a Napoleon. 258 people killed yesterday. Brotherhood believe more than 2000 killed overall. They in return are attacking minority Christians. Not really sure what more needs to happen to buy 'country more divided than ever before' line of thought. There is serious danger of absolute anarchy in Egypt.
Mariyam Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 258 people killed yesterday. Brotherhood believe more than 2000 killed overall. They in return are attacking minority Christians. Not really sure what more needs to happen to buy 'country more divided than ever before' line of thought. There is serious danger of absolute anarchy in Egypt. I've not seen anything about the Islamic Brotherhood attacking Christians in light of the developments yesterday. CNN has been portraying it as an attack by Egyptian Police/ Military forces on pro Mosri protestors, who were by and large peaceful. The police claim to have recovered ammunition from them. But I'm sure you know better. Again, this radical versus liberal divide was always there. I don't have stats but a fair number of people were executed when an off shoot of the Islamic Brotherhood killed an ex-President of Egypt.There was also rioting post the assassination. So much so that the Brotherhood was banned for a few years. Is the attack by the Army/Police force on the protestors, who are/were protesting against the overthrow of a democratically elected leader a 'secular' act in your view?
ravishingravi Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 I've not seen anything about the Islamic Brotherhood attacking Christians in light of the developments yesterday. CNN has been portraying it as an attack by Egyptian Police/ Military forces on pro Mosri protestors, who were by and large peaceful. The police claim to have recovered ammunition from them. But I'm sure you know better. Again, this radical versus liberal divide was always there. I don't have stats but a fair number of people were executed when an off shoot of the Islamic Brotherhood killed an ex-President of Egypt.There was also rioting post the assassination. So much so that the Brotherhood was banned for a few years. Is the attack by the Army/Police force on the protestors, who are/were protesting against the overthrow of a democratically elected leader a 'secular' act in your view? Well I am just quoting the news as I see it. And it isn't fox. It's al Jazeera which has more pro brotherhood narrative. Have to say things look bad. Yes, I am not blaming brotherhood for all that is wrong.
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