The Outsider Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 I wouldn't know, I'm in Delhi.... surely you can check my IP ? Are you not an Admin ?. Believe it or not, I'm a Hindu. Where did I say you are from Pakistan or a Muslim or whatever? I just asked you questions related to your meat eaters produce fast bowlers theory.
vvvslaxman Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Dude i have had all kind of meat, egg everything. Never able to put on muscle. Then i resorted to whey protine. I have significantly gained muscle mass. You know that is the most popular protein source for body builders? That is made of milk. We are confusing with gaining muscle and bowling fast. Bowling fast is largely comes from your action.
shrapnel Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Where did I say you are from Pakistan or a Muslim or whatever? I just asked you questions related to your meat eaters produce fast bowlers theory. Well, your questions seemed to imply I was a Pakistani ! Anyway, forget it , I regret bringing up this topic.
The Outsider Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Well, your questions seemed to imply I was a Pakistani ! Anyway, forget it , I regret bringing up this topic. How do my questions imply you are a Pakistani? Don't try to skirt around your stupid 'theory'. 1. Meat is expensive in Pakistan. It's not something consumed by the average Pakistani on a daily basis. 2. The number of meat eaters in India comfortably outnumbers the meat eaters in Pakistan. The Muslim populations are roughly the same and add on a significant percentage of Hindus who eat meat.
shrapnel Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 How do my questions imply you are a Pakistani? Don't try to skirt around your stupid 'theory'. 1. Meat is expensive in Pakistan. It's not something consumed by the average Pakistani on a daily basis. 2. The number of meat eaters in India comfortably outnumbers the meat eaters in Pakistan. The Muslim populations are roughly the same and add on a significant percentage of Hindus who eat meat. 1.hmmm... there are different types of meats and the costs vary accordingly. Our Pakistani friends would know better. You wouldn't know about that. 2. There is a problem of accessibility also, what with the Cow Slaughter ban in India. Anyway, I know better than to get into an argument with an Admin:winky:
The Outsider Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 1.hmmm... there are different types of meats and the costs vary accordingly. You wouldn't know about that. Why wouldn't I know about it? Is it some nuclear secret? Price of meat in Pakistan is Rs. 200-250 upwards. It's not some CIA secret. How much meat can the average Pakistani have at that price? 2. There is a problem of accessibility also, what with the Cow Slaughter ban in India. Anyway, I know better than to get into an argument with an Admin:winky: Accessibility? You said you live in Delhi. Are you saying meat selling places are not accessible to you. Buffalo and mutton are pretty commonly available in India if your argument is about red meat. Though all nutritionists of the world would say that the best would be poultry or fish, but you've got your own 'theories', I guess. With the amount of fish consumption in Bengal and Kerela, Ranadeb Bose should have been bowling 150 kmph and Sreesanth 180 kmph.
shrapnel Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 He is our next fast bowler :--D Nice ! Now all he needs is the TALENT:--D
vvvslaxman Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 :--D Nice ! Now all he needs is the TALENT:--D You said you cannot see an indian with good muscle. I have shown you. When Hritik Roshan can build muscle how hard it is for another Indian to build muscle? Fast bowling largely comes from action not from meat. SA had a giant called McMillan. But he was the slowest among the 4 bowlers they had. Among Donald, Merwyck Pringle, Brett Schultz, McMillan, Brett was the fastest.
shrapnel Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 You said you cannot see an indian with good muscle. I have shown you. When Hritik Roshan can build muscle how hard it is for another Indian to build muscle? Fast bowling largely comes from action not from meat. SA had a giant called McMillan. But he was the slowest among the 4 bowlers they had. Among Donald' date=' Merwyck Pringle, Brett Schultz, McMillan, Brett was the fastest.[/quote'] errr.... where exactly did I say that I can't see an Indian with good muscle. This is hilarious:haha:.People just skim thru posts and think they have understood everything:hysterical: Let me try to explain it mathematically and hope I'm more successful:- SUSTAINED FAST BOWLING = TALENT FOR FAST BOWLING + HIGH PROTEIN DIET, not HIGH PROTEIN DIET= FAST BOWLING. Make sense ?
vvvslaxman Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 errr.... where exactly did I say that I can't see an Indian with good muscle. This is hilarious:haha:.People just skim thru posts and think they have understood everything:hysterical: Let me try to explain it mathematically and hope I'm more successful:- SUSTAINED FAST BOWLING = TALENT FOR FAST BOWLING + HIGH PROTEIN DIET, not HIGH PROTEIN DIET= FAST BOWLING. Make sense ? High protein diet is something easy to get for anyone. WHEY protein, hemp seed, eggs, milk..scores of food that have high protein. Even Pakistan players use Whey protein only. So it is just Talent for fast bowling. How do you know players don't get high protein? Do you monitor their food activity. Can you tell me what Munaf is eating every day? You don't know. You just assume he is a vegetarian.
NareshK Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Why are people bringing Pakistan into the picture ? The only real fast bowler they have produced is Shoaib Akhtar. All others are in 130-140 kmph category which even Sreesanth, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav have bowled just recently. Even Zaheer and Munaf clocked mid 130s and early 140s in the match against England. Others in Pak lineup are Abdur Razzaq, Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz who are hardly express fast. Even Sri Lanka doesnt produce any express bowlers. Kulasekara and Malinga are mid 130s at best. Now if we are comparing with Australia, South Africa or West Indies, you have a case. Another thing I'd like to mention when it comes to Pakistan is they directly blood fast bowlers or batsmen into the national side without going through a run in the domestic circuit. They see somebody bowling fast or batting well in a couple of matches and the next instant he is in the national squad. They have produced plenty of batsmen and bowlers who they consider very 'taalunted' but never make any kind of impression at the international stage. I'm talking about the likes of Shabbir Ahmed, Mohammad Akram, Mohammad Zahid who look like they have potential to bowl fast but either lack fitness or the ability to bowl consistently and get wickets and eventually get sidelined. Same with their batsmen. In India, most players get filtered at the domestic stage and its only the guys who pick wickets and make runs consistently who get selected and not just any faaast bowler.
Ultimate_Game Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Here's a different take on the topic. I ask you why would anyone become a fast bowler the way BCCI treats our bowlers? Do you guys know what happened to the likes of Balaji, RP Singh, Irfan Pathan, VRV Singh, Nehra etc.? 1. Balaji - Balaji suffered a stress fracture and the guy who was a star player for us in winning us the series against Pak in Pak in 2004 was left on his own by the Board. There was absolutely no support from our board and they washed their hands off Balaji instead of providing support when things were not going well for him. 2. RP Singh - He's the guy who won us the T20 world cup and Test series against Eng in Eng. He suffered from spate of injuries (shin and back) along with a dip in form. Instead of providing him moral support and helping him out by inviting him to the national cricket academy he was again left to his own devices. 3. Irfan Pathan - He was the guy with the most potential of the lot. Anybody who saw him bowl in excess of 140 km/hr or swing the ball into the right hand batsmen can't forget him. Instead of nurturing his talent BCCI ditched him as soon as he had a loss of form. The final indignity came when he was called back from the tour of SA in 2007-08 citing performance. That incident simply shattered whatever confidence he had. If BCCI had handled him carefully and showed confidence in him he could have easily been salvaged. Now things are so bad that he didn't even figure in the 30 man preliminary squad for the world cup. 4. Nehra/VRV Singh/Sudeep Trivedi etc. - Essentially we have seen a similar script for other bowlers. Nehra got injured and ditched by the board. Eventually he worked on his fitness and his bowling all by himself and made a comeback in IPL. Credit has to be given to Nehra for showing the strength to come back. Already we have seen VRV Singh disappear from the scene and I fear the same fate awaits Tyagi. Overall our board hardly provides any support and backing when the bowlers need it most. As soon as they enounter a dip in form or get injured the board simply drops them like a hot potato and move on. To add to the bowlers' woes there's no policy followed by the selectors. They pick a bowler for one series and then he's dropped never to come back. Would you want to be a fast bowler in such a scenario? If I have a son who wants to play cricket I would ask him to become a batsman as fast bowling is a thankless job in India with absolutely no support from BCCI in time of need.
sudheer kumar Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Fast bowlers cant be made........... They will born............ Indians are not strong like west indies people. But still most of our bowlers are bowling around 140-145kph. That pace doesn't work on sub continent pitches......... So they are controlling their pace and concentrating on swing. Munaf is the best example.......... He started his career at 145kph, at that time he wasn't been selected in team. Now he become Zaheer's partner and bowling with control. I think fast bowling is not a worry for Indian team. Team will have to select bowlers who bowls consistent yorkers and bouncers at any stage of the game. We need skill bowlers instead of fast bowlers. Technique is the key when bowling.
ganeshran Posted March 2, 2011 Author Posted March 2, 2011 1.hmmm... there are different types of meats and the costs vary accordingly. Our Pakistani friends would know better. You wouldn't know about that. 2. There is a problem of accessibility also, what with the Cow Slaughter ban in India. Anyway, I know better than to get into an argument with an Admin:winky: Regardless of your nationality, Do you live in India, or abroad? The statements are those the kind an outsider will make. There are sweeping generalizations which are not true. There is no blanket ban on cow slaughter in India - maybe on ritual slaughter but not for consumption. Beef is quite easily available in most parts of India.
vaibhav_delhi Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 errr.... where exactly did I say that I can't see an Indian with good muscle. This is hilarious:haha:.People just skim thru posts and think they have understood everything:hysterical: Let me try to explain it mathematically and hope I'm more successful:- SUSTAINED FAST BOWLING = TALENT FOR FAST BOWLING + HIGH PROTEIN DIET, not HIGH PROTEIN DIET= FAST BOWLING. Make sense ? abe C*****, you have been pwned. Dont try to clutch at straws now.
record breaker Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 great.... since when did aamir and asif become greats of the game? :hysterical::hysterical: Thats hilarious!
shrapnel Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 abe C*****, you have been pwned. Dont try to clutch at straws now. Huh ?? Whatever If you say so:rolleyes:. The FACT remains that even with the same types of pitches as India, Sril Lanka and Pakistan produce genuine Fast Bowlers like clockwork, regularly. India produces NONE...... or at least none that last long ! If my theory is so wrong, do you have any alternative theory ? Or are you going to comfort yourself like some others on this Forum and say that genuine pace isn't important (? Sour G****s:winky:) and swing and good line and length is all that counts ?
Hell Raiser Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Good that China doesn't play cricket and don't have fast bowlers otherwise they would be suggesting Indians to eat Octopus and crabs to become fast bowler.
shrapnel Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Good that China doesn't play cricket and don't have fast bowlers otherwise they would be suggesting Indians to eat Octopus and crabs to become fast bowler. errrr..... OK:headscratch:
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