Online Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 What you are doing is that saying that a mouse is the same as a Elephant because it weighs the same on a different planet while being perfectly aware that this cant be right when you are looking at the pictures but instead point to the fact that it is the same scale that is being used to weigh. :adore: :adore: :adore: :adore: :adore: :adore: :adore: :adore:
fineleg Posted March 1, 2011 Author Posted March 1, 2011 Boss Bhai, You are missing a simple point: You are saying bowling standards were lower than. But you have to see that the other batsmen were content with their achievements against those bowlers. But DB's achievements far, far exceeded his contemporaries. He had that drive to excel. If you take him, and put him in current era, with that same drive to excellence, he may match or surpass SRT. Or, he may not, and SRT may still be ahead. But how do you conclude that? How can YOU be so sure that DB cannot match or surpass SRT? Neither can you be sure that he will nor can you be sure that he wont. That's all I'm asking you to acknowledge. Now, that's not hard for you to comprehend I suppose!
pensionplan Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Well played SRT. I just hope I have contributed something to this thread.You sure did.
gaurav92 Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Finey some simple points that makes Sachin better than Sir Don. DB never had the burden of 1 billion people and therefore the pressure to perform was nowhere near Sachin. And of course he had to play mostly at home conditions or away (in England) and there wasn't much difference there, was it ? His only innings away from those and here in sub continent was in Sri Lanka, where he just got a 12. I know its not a valid point to say that he would have failed in sub continental conditions, but he would have definitely struggled against quality spin as there weren't good spinners then, which gives Sachin the edge. Also the fact that there was only one format, and Cricket was played in between the teams with a huge gap for rest which kept him fresh. Sachin has to constantly change his game as per the formats and situations he comes across in different scenarios. Attack at one end, play a composed innings when wickets are tumbling etc. This clearly suggests Sachin is a lot more versatile player than DB be it different trakcs or different situations. And there may be many that BB might have already explained earlier which I suppose you are quite familiar with, so I need not post it now :--D I can sum up saying that "DB was a great batsman of his era, and Sachin is the greatest batsman ever produced, simply because of the number of runs, number of tons he has got in every format of the game he has played". DB averaged 99.94, playing against similar oppositions with almost similar bowling attacks while Sachin averages close to 57 even after scoring 14k runs playing on different tracks with a wide variety of bowling, facing the dustbowl turning square, or the greentop seaming and swinging miles, or the dry track which offered reverse swing. You name the bowling, and Sachin has mauled it. I am not sure if DB would have had that kind of average under given circumstances.
coffee_rules Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 With the same learning techniques available, DB in modern era would perform better than Kalki because he did much better 99.x average to nearest 70.x than his peers in his era. Kalki on his part didn't only 49.x to nearest 46.x in the modern era with the modern learning techniques (exposure to superior bowling). Standards were much lower in DB era.
fineleg Posted March 1, 2011 Author Posted March 1, 2011 With the same learning techniques available' date=' DB in modern era would perform better[/quote'] Yes, it is possible that if DB played in this era he could have still been a legend. This is the thing I'm trying to say. Can we say with surety that he'd have bested SRT? No. Can we say with surety that he'd have not bested SRT? No. So, that's why one cannot compare across eras. Jayawoddina is a contemporary and he has access to everything that SRT has access to. Its a comparison across players in the same era. Hence SRT >>> MJ
Sachin=GOD Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Not all the bowlers DB faced are lallu bowlers. I was stating that to say, even if we assume that. Why do we consider his achievements of Test quality? The reason is - That *was* Test quality in his era. The comparison can only be at whatever level Test batting and bowling was at that time. How can we even compare it to current era? As I said, if DB were to be playing in today's era, whats to say he cannot get more than hundred 100s? He could have matched or surpassed SRT? We cant say Yes or No for sure. Thats the point. What if he played now? This is the reason why we just have to say Both are legends in their own way. what if Goddy played in Bradman's era? Whats to say he would'nt have bettered Bradman in that time?
pinkfreud Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 You know what the best thing is? Just two games down, with a back niggle and at the ripe age of 37, Sachin has already hit the 2nd biggest 6 of the tournament, just 2 metres behind Shane Watson, who is younger than him and has no health niggles so far ;) The OP is not wrong when he says Sachin was playing like his old self. Of late, his approach had become more measured and he wasn't thumping one six after the other like he did in the England match. He was resorting more to a careful build up of his innings and boundaries... till now :D It's wonderful to see Sachin the Destructor come back with a vengeance.
coffee_rules Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Well if you are not certain what DGB could do today then logic dictates that you pick the one who has excelled under higher standards. This is what I'am saying. OK, then Einstein >>>> Newton then as per your logic! Bolt >>>>>> Carl Lewis >>>>> Jesse Owens
Andy Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 ^fantastic :two_thumbs_up: That was done by one of my friend, The 2nd one is mine :icflove:
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