Zelig Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 A batsman can be out in four different ways off a freehit - handling the ball, obstructing the field, hit wicket, or run out. :marchmellow:
fineleg Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 the guy who invented freehit needs to be given dharma-adi ('free hit' from aam junta)
The Outsider Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 A batsman can be out in four different ways off a freehit - handling the ball' date=' obstructing the field, [b']hit wicket, or run out. :marchmellow: Are you sure? Hit Wicket is credited to the bowler, so doesn't make sense to allow that dismissal.
Zelig Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Are you sure? Hit Wicket is credited to the bowler' date=' so doesn't make sense to allow that dismissal.[/quote'] Wiki says - When a bowler bowls a foot-fault no ball (front foot or back foot), in the immediate next ball, the batsman cannot be ruled out in any dismissal modes other than; run out, handled the ball, hit the ball twice and obstructing the field. But I heard Tony Cozier saying on air that the batsman can be out hit wicket off a free hit delivery :dontknow:
Zelig Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I stand corrected :bow: - "15. Out from a No ball When No ball has been called, neither batsman shall be out under any of the Laws except 33 (Handled the ball), 34 (Hit the ball twice), 37 (Obstructing the field) or 38 (Run out)." http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-24-no-ball,50,AR.html
Late Cut Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Spin vs. Break- no difference really, people use the terminology interchangably. here is a fun thing to do; see if you can read a spin bowler out of hand; i'd start with Shane Warne and see if you can read him as he releases the ball. Exercises like that has helped me read spin bowlers a lot better than simply playing them off pitch. for example, a flipper is pretty easy to read out of hand, but a lot of people could not play SW even then. When you actually try to bowl the darn thing, its a whole different story, and makes you appreciate cricket so much more.
Khalpat Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I always had this doubt about the exact advantage of sight screen. Is that batsman can see the seam position of bowler or more than that.
Alchemist Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I always had this doubt about the exact advantage of sight screen. Is that batsman can see the seam position of bowler or more than that. You are right. I think it is more relevant when spinner is bowling. You can read what spin it is going to be. That is why with white ball you have black sight screen and with red ball you have white sight screen. On a side note. I read it some where that the west indies bowlers of their glory days were tall enough for their hands to go beyond sight screen (seeing though batsmen's eyes). This made it hard for batsmen to figure out what was coming at them.
f.b.m Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 There's a subtle difference between spin and break even in modern day cricket. I think it was BS Bedi who said that "The ball spins in the air and breaks off the pitch". The meaning of that is that the effects of spin can be: drift, dip and 'break' (break being the deviation off the surface). So I'd guess that break comes under the larger subset of spin. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Guest Shivani Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 what is bhajji's doosra and why isnt his pehla as famous as his doosra ?
b555 Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 what is bhajji's doosra and why isnt his pehla as famous as his doosra ? In Hindi and Urdu, doosra means "second" or "other". Put simply, the doosra is the off-spinner's version of the googly. It looks very similar to a normal off-break, but rather than spin towards the bat, it goes the other way like a leg break. It's bowled from the back of the hand with a lot of top spin, but the wrist still moves in a clockwise direction.It is a very difficult skill to master so you'll need plenty of practice if you want to learn how to do it.
ganeshran Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 You are right. I think it is more relevant when spinner is bowling. You can read what spin it is going to be. That is why with white ball you have black sight screen and with red ball you have white sight screen. On a side note. I read it some where that the west indies bowlers of their glory days were tall enough for their hands to go beyond sight screen (seeing though batsmen's eyes). This made it hard for batsmen to figure out what was coming at them. Not really. The sight screen is equally relevant for both spin and pace. If there was crowd behind the bowler, it would become impossible for the batsman to spot the ball correctly.
Fontaine Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Thanks for the detailed replies guys. Really helped me understand a lot. Cricket is not that simple a game :(( @Ganesh, I don't quite follow what you mean by differential air movement, but I think I get the gist. The differential air movement comes from diferent surfaces. Basically when the ball is moving through the air it will split the air so the air currents will move along the surface of the ball in two paths on either side of the ball. So, with a perfectly shaped new ball the air currents will meet at the back end of the ball together at the same time. But if one side is rougher and the other side is still shiny then the air current will take longer to move over the rougher side because of the bumps, abrasions etc compared to the smoother surface over the shiny side. So this creates a "drag" effect over the rougher side which forces the ball to move in the air in order to compensate for the air current moving at a different pace over the rougher side so the air currents still meet together at the back end of the ball instead of creating a vacuum behind it.
ganeshran Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 what is bhajji's doosra and why isnt his pehla as famous as his doosra ? Bhajji hardly bowls his doosra nowadays.. he doesnt have a clean action when doing it and doesnt want to get risk getting reported.
Mariyam Posted May 5, 2011 Author Posted May 5, 2011 The differential air movement comes from diferent surfaces. Basically when the ball is moving through the air it will split the air so the air currents will move along the surface of the ball in two paths on either side of the ball. So, with a perfectly shaped new ball the air currents will meet at the back end of the ball together at the same time. But if one side is rougher and the other side is still shiny then the air current will take longer to move over the rougher side because of the bumps, abrasions etc compared to the smoother surface over the shiny side. So this creates a "drag" effect over the rougher side which forces the ball to move in the air in order to compensate for the air current moving at a different pace over the rougher side so the air currents still meet together at the back end of the ball instead of creating a vacuum behind it. Wow. Thanks a lot for the detailed write up. Its obvious that a lot of physics goes into cricket. Did the inventors of the game design the ball with the seam taking this into account or is this more of a windfall (no pun intended) gain? Off topic: An aero plane too cuts through air ( as the ball does in your explanation above). If one side of the plane has abrasions/cuts on one side, will there be a 'drag' effect on the aeroplane also causing it to swing or move to one side? Scary prospect that. On Topic: Some one wants to shed light on the different types of no-balls? Which one is judged as a free-hit? Which one is an extra delivery? What is the order of decision making, i.e suppose a bowler bowls a no-ball which is also a wide, then what does the umpire judge this as?
ganeshran Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Will picking on the ball's seam help a spinner? Will it increase/decrease turn/bounce in the delivery?
Cricket Tragic Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 there are 4 Types of noball ( In Test Match Cricket ) 1. Bowler over-steps the crease (popping crease) 2. Bowler steps on the side crease ( Return crease) 3. Bowler bowls a beamer 4. Bowler Bowls more than one bouncer at a batsman in a over In ODIs Other than the above 4 there is one more if the no.of specified fielders are not inside the ring then it is called a no-ball. However the free-hit is awarded only for the first case. If a no-ball is also a wide then the no-ball takes precedence because it occurs first. 2 bouncers an over in tests. Also a no ball if there are more than 2 fielders behind square on the leg side.
f.b.m Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 Will picking on the ball's seam help a spinner? Will it increase/decrease turn/bounce in the delivery? Yep loads. There's a part timer who thrives on just this in the nets. Needless to say he gets smashed when playing matches where you get caught doing that and thats the end. Anyway, it helps the ball drift, spin and bounce a fair bit. Good fun if you're a batsman practicing against spin.
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