The Outsider Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 That would be me and it is my way of dealing with idiots who want to come across as heroes by branding all those who question the root of the nonsense that lead to OBL being named as THE Most wanted man in our lifetimes as bigots. I will keep posting my question again as I dont see anything wrong in it. If you see nothing wrong in youngindias post which is obviously aimed at ONLY those who question the "prefered" ideology of the pseudo-secularists. --- Heres the question again for wannabe pseudo Secular heroes : What happens when the religion in question (any religion for that matter ) itself has a long track record of Bigotry and hate mongering ? I mean do we shut up and keep pretending that "aall iz well" since thats the protocol as per the bible of Political Correctness and pseudo secularism ? Guys, it's sad that BB has adopted this confrontational approach to attempts/requests by moderators to keep this thread about Bin Laden. I would urge you all not to respond to his provocations, as it will save a lot of time for the moderators and help resolve the situation without getting into any needless internet fights. As a cofounder he should be more responsible, IMO, but maybe others can set an example by not getting into derailing flame wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamu Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 BB is a co-founder ? B-)B-)B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Guys, it's sad that BB has adopted this confrontational approach to attempts/requests by moderators to keep this thread about Bin Laden. I would urge you all not to respond to his provocations, as it will save a lot of time for the moderators and help resolve the situation without getting into any needless internet fights. As a cofounder he should be more responsible, IMO, but maybe others can set an example by not getting into derailing flame wars. Bossbhai is correct :good: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganeshran Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Noam Chomsky on Bin Laden operation by USA It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.” Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement. There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that Pakistan didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military and security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is said about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry out a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high in Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision to dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger and skepticism in much of the Muslim world. We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region. There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who just died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush doctrine” that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and murder of its criminal president. Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.” There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary facts should provide us with a good deal to think about. Noam Chomsky is Institute Professor (retired) at MIT. He is the author of many books and articles on international affairs and social-political issues, and a long-time participant in activist movements. His most recent books include: Failed States, What We Say Goes (with David Barsamian), Hegemony or Survival, and the Essential Chomsky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaibhav_delhi Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bossbhai is correct :good: I am with BB as well...if smone had deleted\edited this post, there wouldn't have been any need to respond: why are you allowing it in any form? public hatred(racism/communalism etc) is supposed to considered unacceptable in a civlized place and if you allow communal scum to promote the same here, aren't you implying this place is following less than civlized standards in allowing public hatred? criticising a politcal ideology is one thing. howevr demonising of groups based on a birth identity like religion,language,caste etc requires tough and uncompromising position.its TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE in any form. this is nothing more than a bare minimum. if some people cannot even meet this standard, i don't see any point having them here.i say just ban the bigots. however,mostly the icf mods are doing good job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bossbhai is correct :good: I am with BB as well...if smone had deletededited this post' date=' there wouldn't have been any need to respond:[/quote'] Agreed. @Outsider If youngindia's post was not deleted then why was the response to it by BB deleted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 @ BossBhai : you may be correct ,but we need to calm down a bit now :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaibhav_delhi Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Kamran Khan: Pak is a Terrorist State bVa8BO0X3zs&feature=feedu[/ youtube] Wish more people were willing to face the truth. Now or never. Very correct Pov although he dint mention many more paki terrorists' attacks on india.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganeshran Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Youngindia's language may have been harsh but I agree with the gist of his post. But better to delete all these posts now or take them on to another thread while limiting this one to Bin Laden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganeshran Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Raver kid reacts to Bin Laden's death Htt4TX8_WKw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamu Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Agreed. @Outsider If youngindia's post was not deleted then why was the response to it by BB deleted? +1 While I do not subscribe to some of BB's extreme views (no, not because they are not true, but because I believe they will not serve any purpose to resolve existing problems), But some of the folks in here with a RED sickle and hammer tattoed on their left ass cheek and a small green flag with a moon and a star on their right ass cheek are running rampant here -- using extreme words like "bigot" and all -- whenever facts are presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Am reopening the thread because a few posters PM'd me and it is a huge world event - but can we please talk about the event rather than other topics here. Bin Ladens death is hugely linked to religion and Islam in so many zillion ways. To not even discuss Bin Laden and not address the islamic angle is down right intellectually dishonest and false. If you want a meaninful discussion on OBL and pakistan then the discussion of Islam and its role is essential. Let us discuss and stop trying to protect. I notice no such patronage by mods was taken with Sai Baba, with mods leading the bashing! p.s no fan of sai baba but the hypocricies are glaring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Thanks for the comments regarding moderation - I will try to address them individually/collectively through PMs to all those who have responded here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bin Ladens death is hugely linked to religion and Islam in so many zillion ways. To not even discuss Bin Laden and not address the islamic angle is down right intellectually dishonest and false. If you want a meaninful discussion on OBL and pakistan then the discussion of Islam and its role is essential. Let us discuss and stop trying to protect. I notice no such patronage by mods was taken with Sai Baba, with mods leading the bashing! p.s no fan of sai baba but the hypocricies are glaring This. And even in some of those cases digs at Baba were taken in threads with different contexts. Saying this, either we can go gung ho on this and make it no hold barred or be strict with censorship for all. It is clear that this board has strong opinions from EVERYONE bordering on what some call bigotry. In some case, it is justified in others it isn't. Even the moderators are not moderate by any stretch. I think opinions should be invited but name calling and slurs should be banned and that line has been crossed lot of times. Tough choice to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 This. And even in some of those cases digs at Baba were taken in threads with different contexts. Saying this' date=' either we can go gung ho on this and make it no hold barred or be strict with censorship for [b']all. It is clear that this board has strong opinions from EVERYONE bordering on what some call bigotry. In some case, it is justified in others it isn't. Even the moderators are not moderate by any stretch. I think opinions should be invited but name calling and slurs should be banned and that line has been crossed lot of times. Tough choice to make. Kehte hain, hoshiyaar ko ishaara hi kaafi hota hai - I just said moderation concerns will be addressed through PMs, and according to the rules they should be made through PMs as well. I'll address your concerns also through PM (24 hour response period :icflove:). For future complaints about moderation please use PM, since we have evidence that not everyone is hoshiyaar here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 :om: :om: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 as usual lol [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8A2unABbtA&feature=related]YouTube - Hitler reacts to the news that Osama bin Laden was killed[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMitVJy2fRg&feature=related]YouTube - Hitlers Reaction to Osama Bin Ladens Death (HD)[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Osama hooked to ‘herbal Viagra': Wife Osama bin Laden’s fifth wife has claimed that the killed al-Qaeda leader was not on kidney dialysis, but used to take Viagra during his stay in his Pakistani compound. Insisting that bin Laden used to take the herbal impotence drug, Amal al-Sadeh, who was shot in the leg when SEALs burst into their bedroom and killed the terror leader, said: "He believed in his own medication." Osama Bin Laden wasn't on kidney dialysis - but he did need a herbal impotence drug. The New York Daily News quoted the Yemeni woman as saying that her husband had fully recovered from two kidney surgeries a decade ago, and that he needed no dialysis before his death, but cured himself with his own regimen, which included watermelons. It was also reported that the Saudis had hired an assassin to poison Bin Laden in 1999, and the toxin gave him kidney failure. In January 2002, then-Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had also claimed that the terrorist leader had probably already died of kidney failure, and that he needed to travel with two dialysis machines. Now however, evidence from the medicine cabinet in Bin Laden's hideout has revealed that he was not that weak as he was expected to be. "He was neither weak nor frail," 29-year-old Sadeh said. The medicines that were found in the compound reportedly included drugs to treat shingles, ulcers, nerve pain, high blood pressure, and Avena syrup, an extract of wild oats that is marketed as a natural "Viagra”. http://www.hindustantimes.com/Osama-hooked-to-herbal-Viagra-Wife/H1-Article1-695321.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaku Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 But i still :icflove: you :--D awwwwwww..GROUP HUGG !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 This must be an eye-opener for those few who gave benefit of doubt to Pak and trusted its stories .... If anyone still belives what Pak has to say then I don't know who is a bigger fool: 1) Pak, which thinks world is a fool to buy its stories 2) The one who believes Pak stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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