AbhishekS Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Here is something interesting a friend of mine from another cricket forum discovered. He terms this as 'Best against the best', and rightly so. I'm just quoting his original post as I wanted some discussion on the same topic on ICF too. Originally posted by cricketlover172 on PlanetCricket forums Here is the list of best bowlers of last decade ( who have taken more than 100 wickets in last decade at the average of around 25 removing minnows) Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 1. Mcgrath 2 . Akhtar 3. Murali 4. Steyn 5. Asif 6. Warne 7. Pollock. 1.Indian batsman Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 2. WI batsman Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 3. OZ batsman ( Replace Mcgrath - Warne with Kumble -Harbhajan because India has been their toughest competitor) Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 4. SL batsman ( Replace Murali with kumble) Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 5. SA batsman ( Replace pollock and steyn with Kumble and Harbhajan ) Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 6. ENG batsman Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 7. PAK batsman Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo 8. NZ batsman(No one scored more than 2000 so it has been reduced to 1500) Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo For Every batsman, it has been double checked by removing runs scored in draws ( Pitches such as colombo, Ahmedabad, Faisalabad, lahore, Dubai , Abudhabi, Antigua are disgrace to cricket ) and then only they have been included in the final list only if they average above 50 even after removing runs scored in draws. And here is the final list of top 5 batsman against great attacks last decade. 1. Sehwag 2. Kallis 3. Lara 4. Ponting 5. Hayden
Javier Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Sehwag is a pure flat track bully , we all saw how badly he failed against quality attack in tough conditions of SA . Best Batsman of last decade ? He shouldnt even be in the Top ten list leave alone being the number 1 .
AbhishekS Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Do you mean to say that the pitches in New Zealand and Australia are also flat! Get your theories clear, Javier.
Sachinism Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Hopefully Sehwag will be fit for the England tour, to settle the score
Vijay.Sharma Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Arre mamu, aks me for such things no...aks man just aks me I'll give u full details. Pls Note: A value of 1.0 indicates the performance level typical of an ATG. Just coz some of these batsmen have lesser indexes dunn mean they are lesser than normal....they are only the lesser immortals. A range of 0.9 to 1.1 can be considered as the typical range. Condition Difficulty Index - For every host country, the average runs per wicket (RpW)is calculated between the first test and last test of the player. Then those venues which have had at least 3 tests played on them, and have RpW less than the host country's average are selected as "Difficult Venues" The typical 4 subjective criteria are applied - (Home:Away; I1:I2:I3:I4; Regular:Minnow; RFF i.e. Number of Innings and different Venues) For the 20 ATG bats, over their careers this is how they perform - Bowler Challenge Index - For every ATG, the top 10 bowlers based on ICC rating when he played against the batsman is taken. Minimum criteria is that the bowler should have played at least 5 Tests against the batsman. A composite Ratings is derived for the 10 bowlers. Then the Dismissals per Match by these bowlers is calculated. Then BCI = ratings index / DpM For the 20 ATG bats, over their careers this is how they perform - My own inferences: a. I did not expect Viru to do as good as he did in difficult conditions. b. Didn't expect Bradman to be so high in difficult conditions but well he is! c. The real surprise is Pawning. Didn't think he would have such a high index on difficult conditions. My respect for the punter just grows by the day in spite of his dirty palms and obnoxious mannerisms d. Rahul and Sachin have an identical BCI because they played the same bowlers at their peaks and by a terrific coincidence they have identical DpM as well! e. Check out the guys from before the War...hardly any great bowlers they faced. f. To emphasize the previous point, all 10 of Rahul and Sachin's top 10 bowlers had their peak ratings when playing against the batsmen above 800. Whereas the 3 English H's and Bradman had 3 and 2 bowlers > 800 respectively g. Steve Waugh has the best BCI primarily because his DpM is pretty low (and so was Miandad's). h. Highest average ratings for the top 10 bowlers was for Sachin and Rahul = 873.8, next was Border = 873.2. Inzi, Lara, and Waugh are the only others who have average ratings > 850. Hammond = 594.5, Hobbs = 686.7, Hutton = 746.5, Bradman = 669.1
Javier Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Do you mean to say that the pitches in New Zealand and Australia are also flat! Get your theories clear' date=' Javier.[/quote'] Sehwag has a good record in Australia but he averages only 20 and 29 in NZ and South Africa respectively whereas in Pakistan he averages a whopping 91 and 70 in Sri Lanka . These averages give a clear indication that Sehwag has been more successful in the subcontinent and not much outside it .
Sidhoni Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Hopefully Sehwag will be fit for the England tour' date=' to settle the score[/quote'] He will be fit only for the last test. :sniffle:
Vijay.Sharma Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 He will be fit only for the last test. :sniffle:Last time we won without him and we shall win this time as well; with or without Viru
vvvslaxman Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Sehwag has a good record in Australia but he averages only 20 and 29 in NZ and South Africa respectively whereas in Pakistan he averages a whopping 91 and 70 in Sri Lanka . These averages give a clear indication that Sehwag has been more successful in the subcontinent and not much outside it . He averages 35 in Bangladesh. So Bangladesh pitches are great pitches? What a stupid logic. He has thrashed every bowler on every pitch. He just played rash shots in some of the innings and got out. But that is how Viru plays. He has got a 100 in every single country except Bangladesh and NZ. Even in NZ in one dayers he got 2 centuries where batsmen hardly could score a 50.
AbhishekS Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Sehwag has a good record in Australia but he averages only 20 and 29 in NZ and South Africa respectively whereas in Pakistan he averages a whopping 91 and 70 in Sri Lanka . These averages give a clear indication that Sehwag has been more successful in the subcontinent and not much outside it . But then if you look at the ODIs, he has been immensely successful in New Zealand.
Fontaine Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Not a chance. Just in terms of tenacity and playing under pressure Laxman easily outperforms Sehwag. How many times have you seen Sehwag give his wicket away with a careless shot, or near the close of play? Meanwhile Laxman prizes his wicket as if his very life depends on it. Just in the last year alone Laxman has saved the team on fifth day pitches or has gone on to win matches on his resolve. Sehwag is a great batsmen, no doubt, but he's got too few innings where he carried the team in high pressure situations like Laxman has.
Andy Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Not sure about being batsman of the decade. Surely was the best Test opener of the Decade. All the theories of him being a FTB could have been put to rest had he cared a bit when he toured SA. Here is an amazing chance for him in England, But he must play.
putrevus Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 If Sehwag needs to be mentioned in all time greats, he needs to perform better well in England and again in Australia .He failed miserably in South Africa and that has taken some gloss from his resume but in SA series Proteas prepared pitches with vengeance to counter his attacking batting style and Steyn was bowling at his best.
Sachin=GOD Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Best batsman of this decade in Tests - No. Best opener of this decade in Tests - Yes.
AbhishekS Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Not a chance. Just in terms of tenacity and playing under pressure Laxman easily outperforms Sehwag. How many times have you seen Sehwag give his wicket away with a careless shot, or near the close of play? Meanwhile Laxman prizes his wicket as if his very life depends on it. Just in the last year alone Laxman has saved the team on fifth day pitches or has gone on to win matches on his resolve. Sehwag is a great batsmen, no doubt, but he's got too few innings where he carried the team in high pressure situations like Laxman has. Sehwag is the one who can always set up a match in India's favor, even if everyone counts India out of the game. Laxman doesn't have that ability. Actually Laxman also has the ability, but he cannot do it as often as Sehwag.
Vijay.Sharma Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 ^ Let's put it this way... Viru sets up the game for us while Lax finishes it.
Sir_Afridi Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 OP is lying. I dont see Sehwag anywhere in the top 10 let alone number 1 place http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=matches;qualmax1=10000;qualmin1=5000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+2009;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 OP is lying. I dont see Sehwag anywhere in the top 10 let alone number 1 place http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=matches;qualmax1=10000;qualmin1=5000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+2009;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting That list is by no. of matches playe and not by no. of runs or Avg. try your Lahori cheating skills somewhere else,ITDUZZ
Sachin=GOD Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 OP is lying. I dont see Sehwag anywhere in the top 10 let alone number 1 place http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=matches;qualmax1=10000;qualmin1=5000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+2009;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting But I see him at no2 in this list :winky:
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