jonas10 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Dont know if anyone read Chappell's column that just came out: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/519484.html I know, I know the guy was an awful coach but he has raised some excellent points. What exactly is the plan for India to transition players into the test team? I think we all agree we dont want a situation which the once invincible Australians quickly lost the McGraths, Warnes Gilchrists etc and now are a fraction of their once unstoppable old self. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman are really getting up in age and aside from Sachin who I feel is still on top of his game what is the plan for the inevitable replacement to Dravid and Laxman? I'm even concerned with someone like Zaheer who is our front line seamer and is now getting up in age with no solid replacement in test (yikes Sree maybe?) in the wings. I think India has really gotta after the Australia test essentially give Dravid (Age 38) that one great send off and then in 2012 Laxman (age 38 in 2012) as well...hopefully Sachin still has the passion til around 2014-2015. By then im sure the Kohlis, R Sharmas, Rainas Purjaras will be the world beaters we all know they can be...and hopefully we will have some awesome test seamers. Also in case anyone is wondering here are some stats on ages of test cricketers and yes...Dravid is currently the oldest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_Test_cricketers
cowboysfan Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 perhaps chappell has not seen our test squad for the windies series.
deepak_sach Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Ian Chappell On Rohit Sharma In Australia a debate is raging over selection following Simon Katich's controversial omission from the list of 25 contracted players. This argument highlights one area of major difference between two successful cricket nations, Australia and India. As Australia currently go through a rebuilding phase, there's a need to inject youth into the Test side. However, the difficulty for the selectors is the paucity of talent among the youthful batting and spin-bowling prospects. The will has always been strong among Australian selection panels to move fading stars aside for young players with potential. However, apart from a few talented openers, there's precious little young batting talent hammering on the selectors' door. In India the problem is of an entirely different hue: there's ample talent among the young batsmen, but there isn't the same will among the selectors to gradually phase out ageing stars. The Australian selection panel would be delighted to have to choose between talented young batsmen like Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, M Vijay and Cheteshwar Pujara. However, the Indian selectors are loath to move aside ageing stars to feed some of those younger players into the team. The odd opportunity those players have received in the Test side has come about through injury to an incumbent. By being reluctant to blend youth with experience in the Test batting line-up over the last couple of years, the Indian selectors are risking two unsavoury outcomes. One, they will have to replace the three big names, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman, at approximately the same time. Two, they might find that when it comes time to rely on the new breed at Test level, they are not up to the task. Often good young players who are left on the sidelines too long develop bad habits. They don't find it sufficiently challenging to continually play at a lower level, and consequently there is a tendency to become sloppy. Graeme Hick, a prodigious young talent, was forced to wait for Test selection while he qualified for England. By the time he arrived at the international level he was a flawed player through having constantly hammered lesser opposition. This problem is exacerbated in India by the huge earnings young players can derive from playing in the IPL. Nothing diminishes desire and hunger in youth quicker than quickly acquired wealth. In such circumstances a young player can find it difficult to focus on maintaining a high standard. Rohit Sharma is a player in danger of falling into this category. When I first saw him play ODIs in Australia in 2008, I felt he was the best of the young Indian batsmen. It's hard to fathom that at 24 he still hasn't played a Test. His talent is in danger of being under-utilised. India have achieved plenty of recent success at Test level. However, the selection policy has smacked of making the most of today's talent, in the hope that if the future turns sour, that'll be a problem for the next panel to clean up. By allowing young players to grow in confidence with guidance from a strong supporting cast, selectors can cater for the present and prepare for the future. A strong selection panel can achieve this aim, but only if the young talent exists. While Australia may lust over some of India's young batting talent, the reverse is the case in fast bowling. Australia currently has a really good group of young fast bowlers - albeit some who are injury-prone - while India are desperately looking for someone to groom for the important role of Zaheer Khan's successor. In Josh Hazlewood, James Pattinson, Patrick Cummins and Mitchell Starc, Australia have a talented and varied group of quickies. That's the one shining light for the beleaguered selection panel. A good side can be built quickly around a strong attack. These are two proud cricket nations who are used to success. Australia's is a lifelong craving, while India's has become an acquired taste. It'll be interesting to see which system prevails in the future in what is a fast-changing cricket world. Good to see Ian Chappell believes in RGS .Are the selectors seeing>
jf1gp_1 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 i was actually disappointed with his performance in SA earlier in the year, he looked uncomfortable against both moving ball and bounce.
ravishingravi Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 He is spot on. We are burning the candle from both ends. This talent pool might just fizzle out
saneindian Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 The problem is with the young players themselves. None of them has stepped up and grabbed Ganguly's spot yet even though it's nearly 3 years since he retired. Similarly with Kumble's spot, Mishra/Ojha have never been consistent enough. Another issue IMO is the fear of losing the top rank in tests. We saw what happened vs SA at home when Dravid and VVS were injured for the 1st test. Selectors dont want to risk losing the spot especially given the fact that we have played SA, SL and Australia in recent times. the NZ series last year was a good chance to test some younger players but again the selectors preferred to give the test specialists a run for them to be ready before the SA series. Had we been ranked 3-4, perhaps the selectors would have gradually moved out Dravid and VVS by now. This WI series though is the chance for the younger crop to force the selectors to give them regular opportunities in tests especially later in the year against the same WI side during a 3 test series in India.
ensd2 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 We need 3 guy to remplace , Goddy , Dravid , and VVS they are almost here : Rohit , Virat , Raina, pujara but we also need someone to remplace Zaheer ...but we don't have any worldclass pace bowler ...
ensd2 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 No plan , just hope Godyy , Dravid , VVS , Zaheer continue to play until they become grand-father:((:((:((
Karan114 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 However, the Indian selectors are loath to move aside ageing stars to feed some of those younger players into the team. The odd opportunity those players have received in the Test side has come about through injury to an incumbent. Not true - the no.6 position has been vacant since Ganguly retired. Unfortunately none of the young batsmen have been good enough to take that spot. Ganguly was a fine batsman but he was clearly not in the class of Laxman, Dravid and Tendulkar - so when we can't even replace him, what is the point of "phasing" out the others just for the sake of it? Laxman and Tendulkar are two of our most in-form players right now. Besides, we have four young batsmen playing in this Test series.
rkt.india Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Not true - the no.6 position has been vacant since Ganguly retired. Unfortunately none of the young batsmen have been good enough to take that spot. Ganguly was a fine batsman but he was clearly not in the class of Laxman' date=' Dravid and Tendulkar - so when we can't even replace him, what is the point of "phasing" out the others just for the sake of it? Laxman and Tendulkar are two of our most in-form players right now. Besides, we have four young batsmen playing in this Test series.[/quote'] Problem is we tried wrong guys at no. 6 like Yuvraj. At that time, he would have been playing first class cricket to refine his test batting, but he was benched for a long time in tests and then played a few tests in stop gap and I do not think he has done badly as a stop-gap player. He had scored a 50 even in his last test in SL, helped India winning a 2 test series at home against SL spinners, helped India winning Chennai test against England, and a fantastic 100 against Pak in Bangalore in 2008. He did not do well in Australia that was the lowest point for him in tests, but even Ganguly and Dravid did not do well on their first tour to Australia. Now we need to identify a batsman who has a potential to play tests for a long time like Kohli, Rahaane, and Pujara. The impressive I found in technique is Ajinkya Rahaane. I am still clueless why this guy has not been selected on this tour despite having 3rd or 4th best batting average in history of FC cricket all over the world.
saneindian Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Problem is we tried wrong guys at no. 6 like Yuvraj. At that time, he would have been playing first class cricket to refine his test batting, but he was benched for a long time in tests and then played a few tests in stop gap and I do not think he has done badly as a stop-gap player. He had scored a 50 even in his last test in SL, helped India winning a 2 test series at home against SL spinners, helped India winning Chennai test against England, and a fantastic 100 against Pak in Bangalore in 2008. He did not do well in Australia that was the lowest point for him in tests, but even Ganguly and Dravid did not do well on their first tour to Australia. Now we need to identify a batsman who has a potential to play tests for a long time like Kohli, Rahaane, and Pujara. The impressive I found in technique is Ajinkya Rahaane. I am still clueless why this guy has not been selected on this tour despite having 3rd or 4th best batting average in history of FC cricket all over the world. I don't think the selectors made any mistake by looking at Yuvraj as Ganguly's replacement. In fact Yuvi was doing so well for about an year after Dada had retired. He did not score 100s but was scoring plenty of crucial 50s. It started going bad for him from that BD tour last year which coincided with his injury and fitness problem and which ultimately led to him losing his spot to Raina. Just to add, unless Kohli/Raina do something extraordinary and score tons of runs in this series, I see Yuvraj playing at no 6 in the England tests. And given his recent focus on fitness and the rediscovered determination to do well as a test player, I wouldn'yt put it beyond him to succeed as a test player for the next 5-6 years.
Cricket Tragic Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 I think that the selectors want the seniors to see out the 3 big tours (SA, Eng and Aus).
Karan114 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 I really hope Kohli takes his opportunity in the series. He has everything going for him - good technique against decent pace bowling, temperament at international level, ability to build an innings by playing himself in and then accelerating when set (five ODI hundreds already).
Cricket Tragic Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 We need 3 guy to remplace , Goddy , Dravid , and VVS they are almost here : Rohit , Virat , Raina, pujara but we also need someone to remplace Zaheer ...but we don't have any worldclass pace bowler ... How could you forget Vinay Koooomar? :headshake:
Sachin=GOD Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Dont know if anyone read Chappell's column that just came out: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/519484.html I know, I know the guy was an awful coach but he has raised some excellent points. What exactly is the plan for India to transition players into the test team? I think we all agree we dont want a situation which the once invincible Australians quickly lost the McGraths, Warnes Gilchrists etc and now are a fraction of their once unstoppable old self. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman are really getting up in age and aside from Sachin who I feel is still on top of his game what is the plan for the inevitable replacement to Dravid and Laxman? I'm even concerned with someone like Zaheer who is our front line seamer and is now getting up in age with no solid replacement in test (yikes Sree maybe?) in the wings. I think India has really gotta after the Australia test essentially give Dravid (Age 38) that one great send off and then in 2012 Laxman (age 38 in 2012) as well...hopefully Sachin still has the passion til around 2014-2015. By then im sure the Kohlis, R Sharmas, Rainas Purjaras will be the world beaters we all know they can be...and hopefully we will have some awesome test seamers. Also in case anyone is wondering here are some stats on ages of test cricketers and yes...Dravid is currently the oldest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_Test_cricketers I don't know about the plans other people have, but I do know that your plan would include dropping Gambhir :--D
rkt.india Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 How could you forget Vinay Koooomar? :headshake: And the best alrounder ever to have not play test cricket....Sir Joginder Sharma:--D
Pagalpanti Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Honsetly we can't depend on Zaheer any longer. He'll play one series and then be injured for the next 2. I don't think PK can be a successful test bowler with the pace he has. He'll be effective only for first few overs and that too if the conditions suit him. Right now only Ishant, Sreesanth and Munaf look like test quality bowler for us, which shows our standard in bowling. With this bowling lineup we can't hold on the top spot for too long. And in the spin department too we are not as strong as we used to be.
DomainK Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 This is interesting. Some experts believe that India is just not producing enough young talents to be able to replace the famed ageing batters. Then there are others like Ian that believe that there is an abundance of young talents but the selectors are not willing to replace the oldies with the young ones. In my opinion, the Indian selectors are doing a fine job with the inevitable transition. In spite of a highly competitive and highly successful batting line up, they have managed to give the budding players ample exposure. We now know their abilities to some extent. They can't just force the transition straight away as guru Gregg's brother expects. I believe they should allow Dravid, Laxman and Sachin to play as long as they can as they are indeed the best we have. By the time the oldies start retiring in turn, I am sure our younger lot will be ready to take over. I have absolutely no worries as far as that transition is concerned. I remember everyone fearing (and some hoping) for some disaster to our ODI side when the fav four retired. But see where we are today - we are the world champions.
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