rkt.india Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Irfan Pathan failed because he could swing only with new ball. Also his strength is to bring the ball back into right hander. Another thing his release point is way too early which would give away what he is going to do. With Praveen you would never know which way ball was going to go. Hayden is one guy who has destroyed even medium pacers by charging down the wicket. Ask shaun pollock. Even he couldn't pick which way the ball was going to swing. Yes occasionally a guy like Gayle can have a wood over him. But that is in T20. In Tests with defensive mindset batsmen will err eventually. English batsmen handled bowlers that are much quicker than any of the Indian bowlers in Australia. What makes you think our bowlers will make them quack. Only way India can troble them is with swing or bounce not raw pace. You watch PK's bowlign video closely and analyze and you will know which ball is in swing and which ball is out swing. It is very easy. His out swingers are bowled with more round arm action and in swing are with hand close to his ears and with his slow pace, batsmen can easily adjust to him. England will be busy in analyzing this factor right now. Link to comment
Crookbond Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Overall, Sreesanth is a lottery. You never know what to expect from him. Link to comment
asterix Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 PK = Punjabi Khota or Sree = Sree_India :hmmm: I'll vote for Khota.. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Full interview here -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sree talking sensibly here. Can he show same attitude on the field and make full use of the amazing talents he has got? He is wrong in this statement. He needs to understand he is not a genuine pacer. He cannot sustain pace and breaks down easily and when he is playing in England he does not need to go all out, he just needs to keep his head on his shoulders which solve most of his problems. He needs to concentrate on accurate line and length with his out swingers at just a decent pace of 135K. He must not aim for 145 or 150 like he tweeted it a few days back. He is most deadly when he bowls those out swingers at a decent pace just to get an edge, especially when conditions are helpful for him. He can try bowl faster in flat conditions. The key in England is consistency and patience. Link to comment
Cricket_Guru Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 sree for me, aggression is needed Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Saurav Ganguly too iterated same thing about PK on Aajtak which I have also said. Link to comment
CG Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Asif is not a swing bowler. He is a seam bowler and his main ability is to get extra bounce with his high arm action and good enough height and he sill bowls around 80 mph (128 KPH) consistently. while PK does not have any of these advantages. He is a swing bowler who is right now bowling 115-120 kph. He will be successful in England and I will prefer him over inconsistent Sreeshanth. Though PK may not take 5-wicket hauls, but he will keep the batsmen in check while useful with the new ball. In comparison to Sreeshanth who can pick up 5-wickets in a match, but largely bowls rubbish unless he sorts out his thought process regarding his bowling and stop thinking like a genuine pacer which he thinks he is but he is not and concentrate on just his out swing bowling with accuracy and just good enough pace around 135K. We are not playing some club side in england that praveen kumar that would allow kumar to bowl at 115km/h even if he swings it big england have a good crop of batsman and pitches will not be like with so bounce and carry ,Sreesanth will be preffered over him unless their is some injury scare, Sreesanth or any bowler should never cut back on his pace, he is not exress but sharp 130-145km/h and only indian bowler i have seen who from beginning to date has maintained his pace,o n good days he can touch 90 mph,His main problem as eric simmons pointed out is his trying to ball 6 wicket takings balls per over ,i would expect sree,munaf,pk to play in the pratice match then take a call. Link to comment
bihutoli Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 After a fit Sree it has to be a fit Munaf in the pecking order. PK, although I am a fan of the guy, simply has the pace of a Ronnie Irani. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 We are not playing some club side in england that praveen kumar that would allow kumar to bowl at 115km/h even if he swings it big england have a good crop of batsman and pitches will not be like with so bounce and carry ,Sreesanth will be preffered over him unless their is some injury scare, Sreesanth or any bowler should never cut back on his pace, he is not exress but sharp 130-145km/h and only indian bowler i have seen who from beginning to date has maintained his pace,o n good days he can touch 90 mph,His main problem as eric simmons pointed out is his trying to ball 6 wicket takings balls per over ,i would expect sree,munaf,pk to play in the pratice match then take a call. Yeah Sree maybe preferred, but if he does solve his temperamental problems, Dhoni will not take second thought to drop him. You also need to understand Sreeshanth is not a genuine pacer. He is more or less 135-140K bowler. IF he tries to go all out, he usually breaks down. He must concentrate on accuracy at a decent pace of 135K and his out swinger. Whenever he goes for pace, he looses his rhythm. Link to comment
CG Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Yeah Sree maybe preferred, but if he does solve his temperamental problems, Dhoni will not take second thought to drop him. You also need to understand Sreeshanth is not a genuine pacer. He is more or less 135-140K bowler. IF he tries to go all out, he usually breaks down. He must concentrate on accuracy at a decent pace of 135K and his out swinger. Whenever he goes for pace, he looses his rhythm. When you are bowling you do not think about speed or trying to bowl at a certain speed its all about ryhtm ,some days it just comes out quicker,when pressure comes you reveal your true colour,people.say zak was quicker when he came but off all the test matches I have watched his quickest spell was in 4th test of border gavaskar series in india in nagpur where he revrsed the ball at 145 kmph consistently,sreesanthj just has to concentrate on bowling his outswingers at maximum speed possible and not try too muvh Link to comment
jusarrived Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I would wait and see how sree bowls in the practice match . if hes bowling anywhere close to 80% of his best , would pick him ..though I would like to see how PK does in these conditions as well . Can we give Harbajan a rest ? Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 We are not playing some club side in england that praveen kumar that would allow kumar to bowl at 115km/h even if he swings it big england have a good crop of batsman and pitches will not be like with so bounce and carry ,Sreesanth will be preffered over him unless their is some injury scare, . Thats why traditionaly its bowlers like Botham who succeed in England and bowlers like Broad and Lee who get carted around. you sure know your cricket Link to comment
Blue Panther Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 i want both. will be lethal in swinging conditions, i want both of them even it means to go with 4 pace bowlers. Link to comment
mukul002 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Definately PK ! PK is more economical and will fustrate the England batsman and his line is much more consistant than Sree's . Sree gets fustrated too quickly if his bowling does not go to plan and loses the plot , like he did on the tour 4 years ago and had to be given a "rest" by Dravid in the final test during a crucial part of the second innings . As I have mentioned before PK 's bowling reminds me of Terry Alderman and will cause problems for the top and middle order batsman , as he can swing the ball both ways . Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 There is no way PK is playing ahead of Sree unless Sree still has injury problems and struggles in the tour match,this is not the west indian lineup we are talking about. Link to comment
mukul002 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 PK is more economical than sree . Sri tends to lose the plot with his line and length if things do not go to plan . Giving England a gifted 50 to 60 runs more than necessary by wayward bowling will not help India to win a testmatch . Sree has more pace than PK but is more way ward in line and length . And true it is not the West Indies that India will be playing ,however you will probably find that PK will get help in English conditions which will help his swing bowling even more . Pace isnt everything . It is also about accuracy and movement , and PK contributes in both of those attributes (something sree also needs to work on) . Link to comment
Fontaine Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Sree will get the call up in the final XI probably based on the experience factor of having played country cricket and our last test series there. But it's up to him to control his stupidity and bowl to the plan instead of being an idiot and trying to bowl with too much variation. At least with the new ball just stick to the plan and bowl patiently instead of being a dumbass Sree!! Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Thats why traditionaly its bowlers like Botham who succeed in England and bowlers like Broad and Lee who get carted around. you sure know your cricket Problem is PK is 115-120K ..while Botham was much quicker....though I do not deny PK is a good option in England.... Link to comment
NareshK Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Praveen is basically ineffective when the conditions are flat. Even when the ball swings around, English batsmen are good enough to play him with ease. They play swing bowlers like Praveen day in and day out in their county circuit. What we need is a strike bowler like Sree who can pick wickets on his day. But obviously, the key for Sree is he should stick to his strengths and dont try too many things and dont try to be express. The same thing happened in WC Final. He was trying to hit the 150 kmph consistently but after bowling quick for the first few overs, he lost steam and started bowling rubbish. He could barely run quickly in the run up from then on and was taken for runs. If he had just tried to bowl 140 + from the start and tried to swing it like Munaf did, he would have been very effective. The problem with him is all in the mind. How they manage him will be crucial for India's success in England. Link to comment
DeepFineLeg Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 PK has very good economy. If he doesn't pick wickets atleast he will hold one end up. Given that Jimmy Anderson is England's trump card, the pitches will be seaming to suit him (and therefore PK). PK can also bat a bit. So I'd have him over Sree. But, Sree has the 'it' factor. He can sometimes be devastating for short spells. But the risk is that if English batsmen go after him he could lose it completely and we would be down to 3 main bowlers. Tough one this... Link to comment
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