Emerging Players tournament, 2011

[WC2011INDIA]

Let us boycott this tournament DHAWAN SCORED 146........

And Rahane who I have heard a lot about on ICF scored only 8.........

[rkt.india]

Stuart Clark would be the closest with 94 wickets at 23.86 but he was not a swing bowler. The fact is that people at Praveen's pace are not given a chance - Jon Lewis of England is very highly rated but was only given one Test' date= as an example. Heck, I would not have played him in the first Test, myself for the precise reason you mentioned. But he has taken his chance and done very well. Moreover, he is pretty unique in just how much he does swing the ball. Asif was at his slowest toward the end of his Test career and even then was around 125-130kph.

For me, Callum Thorp from Durham is much better swing bowler than Lewis. He could have played for England easily, especially in helpful English conditions. He bowls so well and swing late out swingers with his fantastic bowling action and bowls at decent pace of around 130K odd too.

[msb1991]

And Rahane who I have heard a lot about on ICF scored only 8.........

Haha. He isn't going to score runs in every innings that he plays.

[msb1991]

For me' date=' Callum Thorp from Durham is much better swing bowler than Lewis. He can play for England easily especially in helpful English conditions. He bowls so well and swing late out swingers with his fantastic bowling action and bowls at decent pace of around 130K odd too.[/quote'] Have you ever seen him bowl? I know he does well for Durham but have never seen him bowl. Lewis though was just an example of someone who bowls 120kph. is very highly rated but never got a prolonged chance at Test level.

[rkt.india]

And Rahane who I have heard a lot about on ICF scored only 8.........

yeah, but he is good. He looks good when bats technically than most Indian young batsman. He did well on England tour last year with India A. Also h ad a century against touring Australia side at run a ball in a warm up game. I will be surprised if he does not score in the next match.

[rkt.india]

Have you ever seen him bowl? I know he does well for Durham but have never seen him bowl. Lewis though was just an example of someone who bowls 120kph. is very highly rated but never got a prolonged chance at Test level.

Yeah. I have seen him in some county matches, but he is aged now, 36. He has a good action for a swing bowler and can also generate good pace the kind of action he has and is a tall guy. His time has gone.

[WC2011INDIA]

Haha. He isn't going to score runs in every innings that he plays.

If he can't score runs in such tournament then there is no hope of him doing anything special if selected for India overseas test matches.

[Chandan]

So the three day game has begun. EI is playing with SA and on Day 1 they bowled them out for 259 in 86.1 over. Most impressive bowler seems to be Iqbal Abdullah from the scorecard who claimed 3 top and middle order wickets for 70 runs in 24 overs. Ind Emerging v SA Emerging at Brisbane - Aug 1-3

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Unfortunately like previous years, this year the matches are not covered live on the CA site and it is very difficult to assume what happened and how going just by the scorecard! There are no match reports of Day one one too. It seems no one is bothered here. Anyway, After bowling, India quickly lost 2 wickets, one of Cheeka Jnr and another of Rahane, both going for 8 runs each. Dhawan and Tiwari are at the crease!

What a disappointing batting display on Day2. So much is expected of Rahane and Rayudu but both failed. And all of us know that no matter how many centuries Dhawan might slam, he'll never succeed at international level. Why didn't Manish Pandey play this game? What is the point of playing slogger Saurav Tiwari? What a mess India's future is! And they are bowling as terribly in the 2nd inning as they can, as SA has smashed them for 122 runs in 34 overs with Varun going for over 6 an over. Great going!! Sigh!!

[Cricket Tragic]

Pandey is also a hack. I don't get the hype around the kid. I know that he scored a hundred in the Ranji final but he won't ever be a successful test player with his technique. Nothing more than an ugly cross batted slogger.

[rkt.india]

Pandey is also a hack. I don't get the hype around the kid. I know that he scored a hundred in the Ranji final but he won't ever be a successful test player with his technique. Nothing more than an ugly cross batted slogger.

He is not a T20 player so he has to slog in T20s and everyone slogs. How can you judge his FC performance on the basis of T20s. Young batsmen tend to slog in T20s instead of just play normal cricketing shots which he has.

[nsareen]

It'll answer what question? Do we have a Stuart Broad' date=' do we have a Dale Steyn? Does a bowler clocking the same release speed out of the hand make them anything close to the level of Broad or Steyn? No.[/quote'] No Indian Bowler including Varun & Umesh & Rahul Shukla got hit for 6 sixes in one over Dude. Broad was Developed to be Broad from some club bowler. He R A P E D indian team in the World 20/20 and even in these Test Matches because of his Pace / Movement. What makes you say no indian bowler would be like him, what makes you say no indian player could be a Better All Rounder than him? You never know somebody is round the corner. You would know only when you give them ample opportunities to grow themselves.

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You see PK, anderson and Broad took wickets, but you also need to see the impact of PK's wickets and Broad's wickets or Bresnan's wickets at the rate they came. PK bowler 25-30 overs gave over 100 runs then pick 4 and also used tow new balls, while Bresnan only in his 8th test did it in 10 odd overs. Same is with Broad. PK picked wickets in both tests but he cannot pick wickets like Ishant did in 2nd innings of lords, completely ratelled their batting. He is a just a steady bowler. He swings it but too slow as his pace goes down to 115K and highest only up to 128 which are few and far between. Even for a swing bowler 130-135 consistent speed is must at international level. Fast bowler doe snot need to bowl 145K every time. It is the accuracy and movement which makes a potent fast bowler along with decent speed. To me more than movement, accuracy is must if someone can bowl quick around 140, he must be accurate to use that pace. Ball always moves. People say ball does not move at pace, but look at Broad and Bresnan both swung at 140K which does not give batsmen the time to adjust. While a slower bowler like PK can swing it a mile but of no use as it will only miss the edges and batsman will be be beaten and then also batsman can play out of the crease to cover the swing and also adjust late because of lack of pace. A little deviation after pitching from a quick bowler is enough to take the edge, not miles of swing.

To be frank broad did not swing it that much it was more seam movement and frankly our batsman were terrible ,this same attack struggled agianst srilanka to get 20 wickets and against bangladesh tamim iqbal was hammering them ,When you have guys like mukund,raina,yuvraj who has such glaring problems playing short ball anybody with pace will trouble you. P.k bowled against some good batsman and did well he will be a workhorse not a strike bowler, On these picthes english attack is good but on flat pitches their attack is equally bad as we have seen recently they depend heavly on swing and seam.For example anderson is great when the ball is swinging as he bowls with an angle which coems in and goes away but when it is not swinging it is predictable,We have made average bowlers like broad who has been taken to cleaners by lankans look like garner.

[rkt.india]

To be frank broad did not swing it that much it was more seam movement and frankly our batsman were terrible ,this same attack struggled agianst srilanka to get 20 wickets and against bangladesh tamim iqbal was hammering them ,When you have guys like mukund,raina,yuvraj who has such glaring problems playing short ball anybody with pace will trouble you. P.k bowled against some good batsman and did well he will be a workhorse not a strike bowler, On these picthes english attack is good but on flat pitches their attack is equally bad as we have seen recently they depend heavly on swing and seam.For example anderson is great when the ball is swinging as he bowls with an angle which coems in and goes away but when it is not swinging it is predictable,We have made average bowlers like broad who has been taken to cleaners by lankans look like garner.

But they can be handy in Helpful conditions. Any attack is bad in flat conditions. Look at what happened to Steyn and Morkel in Chennai and Abu Dhabi. Important thing is the bowling attack which can surpass opposition attack in helpful condition will win. That is why impact bowlers come into play or bowlers who can bowl in right areas at pace like Broad. Broad did not swing much, but he swung and seamed enough to take the edges. You do not need miles of swing to take edges just little deviation. You are talking about short ball, most of the batsmen struggle agaisnt short stuff if ti comes at a good pace. We did not have nay who could bowl 90 mph to trouble them on this pitch which is a fact. Look at when KP got one good bouncer at lords what happened to him.

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But they can be handy in Helpful conditions. Any attack is bad in flat conditions. Look at what happened to Steyn and Morkel in Chennai and Abu Dhabi. Important thing is the bowling attack which can surpass opposition attack in helpful condition will win. That is why impact bowlers come into play or bowlers who can bowl in right areas at pace like Broad. Broad did not swing much, but he swung and seamed enough to take the edges. You do not need miles of swing to take edges just little deviation. You are talking about short ball, most of the batsmen struggle agaisnt short stuff if ti comes at a good pace. We did not have nay who could bowl 90 mph to trouble them on this pitch which is a fact. Look at when KP got one good bouncer at lords what happened to him.

Steyn and morkel bowled on flattest pitch in the world you comparing them with english attack? In helpful conditions its a lottery ,test of bowling attacks are on good picthes which have bounce and movement for day one and then spin from day 4. Just because of one series you cannot rate a bowler like you were going gungho over ishant, Broad was hammered in recent years he bowls at 130-145km/h not much different to indian bowlers ,Fact is Our batting has been terrible and worse than srilankan efforts ,you just cannot have 4 batsman with such technical problems ,K.p has problems against short ball but he plays shots also ,our batsman cannot duck or play shots they are dead ducks comparison of Speed of indian bowlers in 2nd test- Ishant fastest-90.5 mph sreesanth fastest 2nd innngs-89 mph broad fastest-91mph 1st inngs bresnan-90 mph 1st inngs broad -88mph second inngs bresnan-87mph second inngs we just cannot play bounce http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/match/474473.html?view=hawkeye

[Cricketics]

NO appreciation for Shikhar Dhawan. Interesting, every one just pointign out why pandey didn't play. Let me divert this to - WELL PLAYED SHIKHAR DHAWAN. 146 out of team total of 260 odd

[Cricketics]

WAnd all of us know that no matter how many centuries Dhawan might slam, he'll never succeed at international level.

Why. What kind of tantrik power we have among ourselves that we know he won't succeed in Int'l level. I for one suggested with lot of people here that Mukund should be given longer run. But he continues to fail. Has played half of England series now and did play all of Windies tour. This should be enough, but still we suggest he should get some chance whenever there is a way to slot him into the side. But why so much ignorance for Dhawan. You don't have to score 10,000 runs in domestic to get going in Int'l level. As long as you are mentally strong enough to face the bowlers. That's all it matter. Rohit Sharma looks class, but he gotta be mentally strong to succeed at the big stage. Kohli failed in his first series outing. So we should sideline him now and don't pick him ever?

[rkt.india]

Steyn and morkel bowled on flattest pitch in the world you comparing them with english attack? In helpful conditions its a lottery ,test of bowling attacks are on good picthes which have bounce and movement for day one and then spin from day 4. Just because of one series you cannot rate a bowler like you were going gungho over ishant, Broad was hammered in recent years he bowls at 130-145km/h not much different to indian bowlers ,Fact is Our batting has been terrible and worse than srilankan efforts ,you just cannot have 4 batsman with such technical problems ,K.p has problems against short ball but he plays shots also ,our batsman cannot duck or play shots they are dead ducks comparison of Speed of indian bowlers in 2nd test- Ishant fastest-90.5 mph sreesanth fastest 2nd innngs-89 mph broad fastest-91mph 1st inngs bresnan-90 mph 1st inngs broad -88mph second inngs bresnan-87mph second inngs we just cannot play bounce http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/match/474473.html?view=hawkeye

cricinfo most often showing different speeds than what were shown on TV. I did not see they bowled any 90 mph delivery. You also need to understand one delivery at 90 mph does not make you fast. You need consistent speed. Sreeshanth was mostly around 130, Ishant 135, and PK 120. Cricinfo commentary speeds in this match were crap. Speeds are only good if they are consistent. Watch the test and see the real speeds.

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cricinfo most often showing different speeds than what were shown on TV. I did not see they bowled any 90 mph delivery. You also need to understand one delivery at 90 mph does not make you fast. You need consistent speed. Sreeshanth was mostly around 130' date=' Ishant 135, and PK 120. Cricinfo commentary speeds in this match were crap. Speeds are only good if they are consistent. Watch the test and see the real speeds.[/quote'] They use sky speed guns so they are far more accurate than star cricket who do not show speeds for sessions , in star cricket speed guns also ishant clocked 89mph and sreesanth clocked 89 mph. also its broad was around 135kmph and bresnan also 130kmph most time ,technique of young indian batsman to play bounce is well known we struggled in wi ,indians have played much more faster bowling than 135 kmph english bowlers . sky stream-http://www.stream2watch.com/index.php?option=com_videolist&view=video&Itemid=58&videoid=19294

[rkt.india]

Yar broad and bresnan both consistently bowled over 85 mph and i dont our batsmen are incapable of playing 130 k bouncer. yesterday they were really fast. you dont need speed guns to see that.

[msb1991]

Raina and Yuvraj are subnormal against the short delivery. That alone should now keep them out of the Test team, imo. It is a shame, as both are capable of good innings but such a glaring weakness cannot exist in a top batting line up.