Do you think the legacy of SRT will be hurt by this series!

[Lord]

It's not but it's not much better than 13000 @ 57' date=' especially factoring in that the player is a much better fielder/catcher and bowler.[/quote'] I'm talking only batting.Kallis has much better home average than away,SRT almost identical,Kallis has a pathetic record in Eng n ba in SL.SRT lowest average in Pak 40 which is decent,

[Ultimate_Game]

I'm talking only batting.Kallis has much better home average than away' date='SRT almost identical,Kallis has a pathetic record in Eng n ba in SL.SRT lowest average in Pak 40 which is decent,[/quote'] One player may have a higher average in Country A or Country B, but the overall stats doesn't reflect SRT is better than Kallis even on the batting front.

[Deleted_User_1]

On technique, balance and completeness as a batsman, SRT IS the best I have seen in modern day cricket (since mid 1970s), but if you go by records, there is not much to separate him from other ATGs like Kallis, Ponting and Lara. All of them are in the same league IMO.

[Lord]

One player may have a higher average in Country A or Country B' date=' but the overall stats doesn't reflect SRT is better than Kallis even on the batting front.[/quote'] it does says he couldnt bat as well in those conditions,Sachin was decent overall,hence greater.ditto for Ponting he hasnt done well in India

[Ultimate_Game]

On technique' date=' balance and completeness as a batsman, SRT IS the best I have seen in modern day cricket (since mid 1970s), but if you go by records, there is not much to separate him from other ATGs like Kallis, Ponting and Lara. All of them are in the same league IMO.[/quote'] If technique was a yardstick likes of Manjrekar would have been way ahead of Sehwag :haha: The only thing that matters is how many runs you score or how many wkts you take, and not how good you look or how unlucky you are. At the end of the day SRT hasn't distanced himself from his peers the way Bradman did. You can slice and dice stats any which way but eventually Kallis, Lara and Ponting will be in the same allpark as SRT.

[Lord]

You can slice and dice stats any which way but eventually Kallis, Lara and Ponting will be in the same allpark as SRT.

n why is that?give me atleast one good reason for RP,Lara n others

[Deleted_User_1]

If technique was a yardstick likes of Manjrekar would have been way ahead of Sehwag :haha: The only thing that matters is how many runs you score or how many wkts you take' date=' and not how good you look or how unlucky you are. At the end of the day SRT hasn't distanced himself from his peers the way Bradman did.[/quote'] True record speak for themselves. I was just making a point that SRT is the most complete batsman I have seen in terms of defense, array of strokes, balance, etc. However, wrt record he has not distanced himself from other ATGs. All of them are in the same group. His longevity has to be credited though, however if he was not in India, he would be retired by now. I still cannot fathom, why he did not decide to go out on top after the WC win.......

[Marut]

I have seen Sachin bat from day one and have followed him all along. He certainly was an ATG but not the greatest behind Bradman. When he entered the arena at the tender age of sixteen when boys of his age were still playing for school - he certainly fullfilled his potential as a teenager, but he did not leverage upon that early start to make a mark as the greatest modern batsman. I would have been more satisfied with Sachin at just 8000 runs at 75.0 average ( which he was capable of, but did not acheive, and therefore there is very little to separate him from Lara, Richards,Ponting, Kallis etc) with a couple of triple hundreds and a dozen of double hundreds and several match winning hundreds in a fighting cause. Without being clearly ahead of his peers, there is of course no reason to call him the greatest, except in a sense of hero worship or patriotism, sans objectivity - his records are mostly a result of longevity and in test cricket he really does not own any record apart from those obtained by very good players playing for very long periods. He did not score a 300, he did not score even 500 in a series, he did not average 60+, did not have a SR of 60, did not win too many matches for India under pressure. he did not stay at the top in the battings ranks for a long time etc. Infact, there is very little to call him the greatest, based on statistics alone. He is one of the greatest, certainly.

[Ultimate_Game]

I have seen Sachin bat from day one and have followed him all along. He certainly was an ATG but not the greatest behind Bradman. When he entered the arena at the tender age of sixteen when boys of his age were still playing for school - he certainly fullfilled his potential as a teenager, but he did not leverage upon that early start to make a mark as the greatest modern batsman. I would have been more satisfied with Sachin at just 8000 runs at 75.0 average ( which he was capable of, but did not acheive, and therefore there is very little to separate him from Lara, Richards,Ponting, Kallis etc) with a couple of triple hundreds and a dozen of double hundreds and several match winning hundreds in a fighting cause. Without being clearly ahead of his peers, there is of course no reason to call him the greatest, except in a sense of hero worship or patriotism, sans objectivity - his records are mostly a result of longevity and in test cricket he really does not own any record apart from those obtained by very good players playing for very long periods. He did not score a 300, he did not score even 500 in a series, he did not average 60+, did not have a SR of 60, did not win too many matches for India under pressure. he did not stay at the top in the battings ranks for a long time etc. Infact, there is very little to call him the greatest, based on statistics alone. He is one of the greatest, certainly.

Couldn't have put it better. He would definitely been perceived the best after Bradman if he had hung up his boots after the WC. But these performances in Eng and Aus have taken the gloss off his stats somewhat.

[The Realist]

As the saying goes you are only as good as your last game... Hanging on grimly to notch up some cheap stat or record is not big, hard or clever. Should have retired after the WC.

[pensionplan]

Without being clearly ahead of his peers' date=' there is of course no reason to call him the greatest, except in a sense of hero worship or patriotism, sans objectivity - his records are mostly a result of longevity[/quote']Even for a true Sachin fan like me it is hard to argue with that point of of view.

[pensionplan]

but if you go by records' date=' there is not much to separate him from other ATGs like Kallis, Ponting and Lara. All of them are in the same league IMO.[/quote']They are in the same league without a doubt unless one is trying to pull a Bossbhai with meaningless filtering using statsguru.

[Deleted_User_1]

As the saying goes you are only as good as your last game... Hanging on grimly to notch up some cheap stat or record is not big, hard or clever. Should have retired after the WC.

Every players struggles to some extent toward the end of their career. Trick is to know when to quit without too much damage....My hero Gavaskar's career was lean by late 1980s, but at least he quit right after he played one of the best innings I have seen anyone play on a turning minefield in B'lore. SRT lost that chance earlier in the last year!!! If he retires before the next tough overseas tour, it will all home games on pattas and none will be real tough innings!

[Shunya]

he is one of the greats no doubt...but these scars of loosing so many tests so badly definitely damages his image... there are plenty of players who belonged to a bad team and still scored few matchwinning/saving knocks... and our team is still the best on paper with dravid,laxman, sehwag...so cant see how he is feeling the pressure of one-man army ... damage is done...and people will not forget such pathetic performances of past one year...

[Guest BossBhai]

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[CG]

After his 100th hundred he will have a burst of hundreds, and everything will be forgotten.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Lord]

Even for a true Sachin fan like me it is hard to argue with that point of of view.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Late Cut]

Well past sell by date. A century here or there wont change that.

[NeutralCat]

I used to admire this man, the guy is a choker of the highest order.