Whats with the collapses?

[Pagalpanti]

I mean seriously, this started in the world cup in the game against England and since then we just seem to be having this collapse almost every game We lost our last 5 wickets for just 7 runs. Startling to say the least

[fineleg]

Batting collapses are birthright of team india.

[gs]

So is choking in death overs

[Sid]

We are suffering from a severe case of Pakistanitis :((

[Cricket Tragic]

Dhoni's lack of form recently. He is a massive player in the middle order because he is very dependable unlike Raina/Sharma etc. At our best, we had Sehwag/Tendulkar getting the team off to great starts and Dhoni/Yuvraj batting through the middle overs. Once he gets back to form, others in the M.O can bat around him.

[yoda]

Dhoni and Raina were playing so well, they should have seen us through the 20 overs given that there were no specialist bats or big hitters after them. Instead they both decided to have brain spasms one after the other.

[Sid]

Dhoni and Raina were playing so well' date=' they should have seen us through the 20 overs given that there were no specialist bats or big hitters after them. Instead they both decided to have brain spasms one after the other.[/quote'] I agree that was too early to play those kind of slogs.

[Trichromatic]

I think the tradition of collapse and Indian lower order failing to play 50 overs started on that WI ODI series in WI. India always started well, but during last 10 overs they failed to capitalize on the advantage they used to get from top order. At that time it was said that Indians set high targets for themselves and failed to assess the situation. Generally pitch used to get slow and WI slower bowlers killed Indian lower order. So, they looked good for 320-330, 280-290 would have been good score, but in attempt to get to 320-330 they ended at 260-270, I think. This is what still happening with Indian batting. Once they see players like Sachin and Sehwag playing with ease and scoring at will, batsman following them start thinking batting is easy and they try to hit every ball. In SA v Ind match, playing Steyn was not easy. Sachin made it look easy. Batsman were not careful against him and paid the price for it. In today's match, look what the batsman were trying to do. Everyone was throwing hand at each delivery and they were in kind of hurry. They need to assess the situation and change target after every wicket. Everyone can't just go in and slog immediately. You would see that generally good contribution in death overs works around a batsman hanging in there till the end. Someone needs to stay there and rotate the strike. Dhoni is a good player to do so. Others have to be little bit selective in their approach.

[james]

Dhoni has said in the past that his team plays cautios in the start and look to up the rate at the end... it oviously is not working but Mr Dhoni can't see that.

[Cricket Tragic]

It might have something to do with our piss poor bowling attack. The batsmen feel that they have to basically bat the other team out of the game or atleast get those extra runs to make up for the bowling.

[Trichromatic]

It might have something to do with our piss poor bowling attack. The batsmen feel that they have to basically bat the other team out of the game or atleast get those extra runs to make up for the bowling.

This could be the case. In an attempt to get 20 runs extra they fall short by 20 runs.

[Prakat]

Something's obviously gone wrong. Theories are many but it is up to the management to figure out a solution.

[Sidhoni]

Dhoni's lack of form recently. He is a massive player in the middle order because he is very dependable unlike Raina/Sharma etc. At our best, we had Sehwag/Tendulkar getting the team off to great starts and Dhoni/Yuvraj batting through the middle overs. Once he gets back to form, others in the M.O can bat around him.

+1

[Pagalpanti]

Dhoni's lack of form recently. He is a massive player in the middle order because he is very dependable unlike Raina/Sharma etc. At our best, we had Sehwag/Tendulkar getting the team off to great starts and Dhoni/Yuvraj batting through the middle overs. Once he gets back to form, others in the M.O can bat around him.

Its not really his lack of form. Rohit and Kohli have been in good form, but still we managed to lose 9 wickets in 8 overs for 60 runs after Dravid departed. The way Dhoni, Raina, Ashwin got out it was just senseless batting, as if they were trying to score 200+ when the pitch was 170-180 type.

[Trichromatic]

Its not really his lack of form. Rohit and Kohli have been in good form' date=' but still we managed to lose 9 wickets in 8 overs for 60 runs after Dravid departed. The way Dhoni, Raina, Ashwin got out it was just senseless batting, as if they were trying to score 200+ when the pitch was 170-180 type.[/quote'] That has been happening for few years now.

[saneindian]

DHoni needs to go back to the old days of seeing the team through. No need to slog, ensure we play out the overs for a few matches to stem this rot.

[Spiderguy252]

Dhoni's lack of form recently.

You mean lack of class for all his career. Flukey.

[Cricket Tragic]

You mean lack of class for all his career. Flukey.

Still can't get over the fact that he kicked your hero out of the team and India won the WC? :cantstop: When will fanboys start supporting the team over individuals? Critcise his captaincy or his keeping (both of which have been very poor) but to say that his whole career has been 'flukey' shows that you're just bitter.

[Rightarmfast]

It might have something to do with our piss poor bowling attack. The batsmen feel that they have to basically bat the other team out of the game or atleast get those extra runs to make up for the bowling.

And I thought it was the other way round. The way Rahane and Dravid batted, I thought the other batters relaxed . And instead of capitalising on the start, nobody took it upon himself to ensure a good score. They just kept getting out in the hope someone would eventually take over and nobody did !

[Brainfade]

Lack of mental fortitude The question is why now? Why is the same core that carried us to WC2011 glory with unparalleled mental strength now so fragile? My hypothesis? Duncan Fletcher. Maybe I am suffering from "when-all-else-fails,blame-the-coach"itis - but think about it. When we had tough, fit, but soft-spoken coaches who led by example (Wright and Kirsten), the players bought in. When we had a tough, but loudmouthed, arrogant, self-serving SOB (Chappell), the team tuned out. Now, we have a supposedly tough, but old and physically unfit Fletcher, and the team is struggling to play together again. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a trend ... Yes, these guys are professionals, and must not depend on the coach for mental strength and team spirit. But, it appears that they do, and we just need to accept it and find the right fit. Either that, or DF gets a serious gut-check (pun intended?) and wins the team back.