Vaughan: England paid the price in India for bullying teams at home

[hiha]

:hysterical: sounds so typical of msd...... mum,quiet nd crap in english tour, now taking a dig after winning d odi series at home

[Yoda-esque]

:hysterical: sounds so typical of msd...... mum,quiet nd crap in english tour, now taking a dig after winning d odi series at home

Yes , not like Ganguly is he?

[SachDan]

Vaughan: England paid the price in India for bullying teams at home England deserve to top the rankings in Test cricket but in the 50-over format their status is slipping fast and the 5-0 whitewash in India should serve as a warning. It is always harder to play away from home but England have to lose their short-sighted vision of playing on green wickets in this country. Look at results this year. Away from home we have lost 6-1 to Australia, been beaten by Bangladesh and Ireland during the World Cup and now lost 5-0 in India. Our overall result against Sri Lanka and India in the summer was 6-2, but the scores only tell a certain story. Last summer we played Sri Lanka on the greenest Oval pitch I have ever seen and won comfortably. England then played at Headingley on a flat wicket that took a bit of spin and lost. They were not happy and went berserk at the groundsman. What happened next? At Trent Bridge, Sri Lanka were rolled over on an absolute classic English green top. Result? England won by 10 wickets. They perhaps wanted Alastair Cook to win a few games as a young captain but I am sorry, if you want to be the best team in one-day cricket then you have to play on slow, turning pitches consistently. You can pick any one of EnglandÃÔ last 10 50-over teams and, on a green top, they would win. That is going back 14 or 15 years. But when it is flat, bowlers are put under pressure and batters have to rotate the strike in the middle overs, and clear ropes at the end of the innings, or you donÃÕ win many games of cricket. I have been saying this for ages. It is not that we have a group of players who are not good enough. This is the best generation we have had in terms of skill, coaching and preparation. They have got everything and as much as they deserve a huge amount of credit for the way they have played for the last two years in Test cricket, they have to be honest and accept they have got things wrong in one-day cricket. Strategy in one-day cricket is shaped by the World Cup cycle. The next tournament, in 2015, will be in Australia where the pitches are flat and the ball doesnÃÕ swing. You need power to manoeuvre the ball into the gaps, play spin and have the ability to post scores of 300. There will not be any green pitches and it will be boiling hot as well. Batsmen have to learn better stroke selection. There are three kinds of strokes: high-risk, medium-risk and low-risk. Too many of our players look high-risk when going for a boundary. They do not have enough medium-risk shots for four or low-risk nudges for one and two. Most of this current team have played in India before and know you need big scores and hundreds. But EnglandÃÔ batsmen have been getting 30, 40 or 50 playing nicely but then are blocked out by a few dot balls and go for a big boundary. They do not have enough low-risk shots and lack the ability to knock it into gaps to rotate strike, and take the chance to hit a boundary every now and then. In Mumbai England were 108 for two in the 21st over. Jonathan Trott was dismissed and then Kevin Pietersen hit one straight down deep midwicketÃÔ throat. Could he not have picked a low-risk shot - a low sweep along the floor? Indians play powerful boundary shots down the ground and over extra cover. Our guys seem to like hitting over midwicket for six, which brings a lot more risk. There have also been some strange things going on in India with selection. Graeme Swann was dropped for one game and replaced by Scott Borthwick. Bowling in his first one-day international, in India against the best players of spin in the world, and Borthwick had a mid-off and mid-on positioned in the ring. You never see that for Swann. He has protection, with the men dropped back on the fence. Borthwick was hung out to dry. How do you bowl with a field like that? EnglandÃÔ fielding has been atrocious. That must be down to pressure. We bullied India here and became a very chirpy team, but roles have been reversed. England do not have any excuses either. They are all fit and agile and I donÃÕ see a poor fielder in EnglandÃÔ set-up. We canÃÕ blame fatigue either. India have played more cricket than anyone in the world. There is one positive and it is not all doom and gloom. Steven Finn now looks a high-class fast bowler. He is bowling quickly, and has become more accurate and aggressive. It will be hard for England to ignore him now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/

[achilles]

Good work Michael. Humility is your best friend in this case. And he does raise some good but obvious points.

[BeautifulGame]

You can pick any one of EnglandÃÔ last 10 50-over teams and, on a green top, they would win. That is going back 14 or 15 years. But when it is flat, bowlers are put under pressure and batters have to rotate the strike in the middle overs, and clear ropes at the end of the innings, or you donÃÕ win many games of cricket.

So what did Ingerland do when they played in 1999 WC at home in these green tops? Knocked out in first round :hysterical: English are **** in OD cricket regardless of where they play

[daryl1985]

Good article from Vaughan.

[NareshK]

They were poor in both ODIs and Tests for as long as I could remember. They have been doing well in Tests over the last few years because they have been doing well at home and there has been decline in quality of teams like Australia, West Indies, New Zealand and Pakistan. So the only teams left are India, Sri Lanka whom they beat at home and South Africa against whom they will play next. They have a good bowling unit and decent batters but I dont think they will continue to stay at No.1 for too long.

[Dravid_TheWall]

England deserve to top the rankings in Test cricket but in the 50-over format their status is slipping fast and the 5-0 whitewash in India should serve as a warning.

What status in ODI cricket is Vaughan talking about? England never had any.

[Spiderguy252]

England = mediocre, bis and pieces ODI underperformers. Bopara, Yardy, Wright, Flintoff, Patel say hello.

[J P K]

I don`t see a poor fielder in England set-up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/

:hmmmm2:

[Stuge]

If you don't use your feet against spinners and stand like lazy donkey in the crease ,then you're doomed for sure .

[vamos_rafa]

If you don't use your feet against spinners and stand like lazy donkey in the crease ' date='then you're doomed for sure .[/quote'] But playing spin is considered derogatory as opposed to playing against swing/seam.

[gs]

But playing spin is considered derogatory as opposed to playing against swing/seam.

Heck they couldnt play spin in their own backyard when Warne spun his magic back in the 90s on the green tops of old trafford and trent bridge. WTF is Vaughan on about?!?

[vamos_rafa]

Heck they couldnt play spin in their own backyard when Warne spun his magic back in the 90s on the green tops of old trafford and trent bridge. WTF is Vaughan on about?!?

Exactly!!! As far as my memory goes, England has been a poor side. It's for the past 1-2 years when they started winning and they behave/talk as if they are the best side ever to walk on planet Earth.

[daryl1985]

England = mediocre, bis and pieces ODI underperformers. Bopara, Yardy, Wright, Flintoff, Patel say hello.

You are joking aren't you? A fully fit Flintoff would walk into India's Test T20 and ODI teams.

[singhprakash72]

I wouldn't say England an ordinary test team as they have played good test cricket in last 3 yrs...although their bigger test will be to win in SA, India and SL which Aussies did convincingly in last decade.

[MCcricket]

Even in these bowler friendly conditons, if Zaheer was fit , he would've been the highest wicket taker in the series, with Ishant and either Umesh , Varun, P K , INDIA COULD'VE OUTBOWL THEM IN TEST'S TOO.

[vamos_rafa]

Even in these bowler friendly conditons' date=' if Zaheer was fit , he would've been the highest wicket taker in the series, with Ishant and either Umesh , Varun, P K , INDIA COULD'VE OUTBOWL THEM IN TEST'S TOO.[/quote'] Very right. I still believe, had Zak been there, the test series in England would have been a lot-2 different.

[saneindian]

SOmeone needs to remind Vaughan that Eng have lost home ODi series to SL, NZ and WI in the last 4-5 years. Yes they have won the home series in the last two seasons, but they haven't exactly bullied the opponents and as good as he thinks England are, they remain a crap ODI unit.

[vamos_rafa]

England might have lost 0-4 in 4 days per test if there was a test series: Shastri

KOLKATA: Former Indian cricketer Ravi Shastri has made light of England's poor display in the recent one-day international series in India, saying that the hosts would have pounded them just as badly had there been a Test series as well. Speaking to mediapersons, Shastri attributed India's drubbing on their England tour to fatigue. "I'm not surprised one bit. When India were in England, they were a little under-prepared and they were tired. They were jaded. The World Cup took a lot out of them. (In) India, thank God there was no four Test match series. You might have had a 4-0 score and all Test matches would have got over in four days," he said. The former India Test cricketer was upbeat about India's upcoming tour of Australia. He said that while the tour would be challenging, the prospect of facing the formidable ex-champions at home with a young team was exciting. "It will be challenging. Traveling overseas (with) lots of youngsters, it will be challenging. Australia, at home are a strong side, but I'm sure India will do a lot better than they did in England," he added. India face England in their only Twenty20 International on Saturday (October 29), having beaten the visitors 5-0 in the ODI series. India's stellar performance comes very shortly after a dismal tour of England, where the injury-ridden team lost its top spot in Tests and slid down the one-day rankings after failing to secure a single victory.