Nightwatchman

[bulbul]

yeah as the tailenders r not good enuff to edge it' date='they will miss.:giggle:[/quote'] awsome logic...someone needs to send this to Dhoni and Fletcher :giggle:

[Needforspeed]

1936-37 Melbourne Test vs England after a rain (those days pitches were not covered) in Australia's 2nd innings, Don Bradman send the tailenders first and virtually reversed the batting order. By the time the recognized batsmen came in the pitch had eased out and the Don himself scoring 270. Australia won the match by 365 runs.

[bulbul]

1936-37 Melbourne Test vs England after a rain (those days pitches were not covered) in Australia's 2nd innings' date=' Don Bradman send the tailenders first and virtually reversed the batting order. By the time the recognized batsmen came in the pitch had eased out and the Don himself scoring 270. Australia won the match by 365 runs.[/quote'] but that time bowling speeds are 50kph..proved by old BW videos very clearly...now they have face pissssssst bowling and its dangerous..

[Lord]

1936-37 Melbourne Test vs England after a rain (those days pitches were not covered) in Australia's 2nd innings' date=' Don Bradman send the tailenders first and virtually reversed the batting order.[b'] By the time the recognized batsmen came in the pitch had eased out and the Don himself scoring 270. Australia won the match by 365 runs.

hence proved.he was a FTB:--D

[bulbul]

hence proved.he was a FTB:--D

mission accomplished for you then :giggle:

[Cricket Tragic]

Who said he was the nightwatchman? He was promoted in the batting order given the form of the other batsmen.

[Lord]

Who said he was the nightwatchman? He was promoted in the batting order given the form of the other batsmen.

might be true:giggle:

[Jersey #10]

Isn't the nightwatchman supposed to defend in the dark and then slog come morning? Ishant could make Dravid look like Sehwag.

[Lord]

Isn't the nightwatchman supposed to defend in the dark and then slog come morning? Ishant could make Dravid look like Sehwag.

there was no dark there wen he came out

[Jersey #10]

there was no dark there wen he came out

i don't think it has anything to do with dark or light. Teams just don't want to expose/risk their batters when the end of the day is near (which usually happens in the dark). Which makes sense.

[nballa]

nightwatchman is an advantage to the opposing team, they know its only a matter of time before 20/3 becomes 25/4, the entire concept is silly really. if you can't trust an experienced batsman to put out two-three overs then you have no business playing the game.

[Lord]

i don't think it has anything to do with dark or light. Teams just don't want to expose/risk their batters when the end of the day is near (which usually happens in the dark). Which makes sense.

no it doesnt.read post #13

[Jersey #10]

no it doesnt.read post #13

It's more psychological than anything else.

[Clarke]

that doesnt make sense.u send the best batsmen equipped tp handle any situation' date='not worst.if we go by your logic,we should send the batsmen only wen its flat.in the 1st hour of the day wen the ball is swinging,we should send Ishant, n not 'risk' openers as Ishant will miss more than edging,ditto for 10 mins before lunch,or if a bowler is going thru a great spell,why risk main batsman,lets send Ishant,where does it stop?[/quote'] First off, there's limits to changing the batting order, and its a gamble when you send the night watchman. It could very well be that the nwm is dismissed in a couple of deliveries. But the team may assume that losing Laxman at the end of the day is much worse than Ishant, hence the throw of the dice. There was this concept of pinch-stopper in the 99 WC which helped Zimbabwe blunt out Srinath's fury and defeat us. So yeah, it starts/stops when the team management decides on it. Lets ask Sachin/Laxman what they're in the team for :giggle: I'm sure they do not fancy the last three overs of the day and would recommend Ishant face them first up. Its not like Dhoni/Fletcher would go against their wishes and promote a tailender ahead of them. You can't possibly blame the night watchman for the failures of our middle order. In the second innings, the entire batting collapsed much worse without Ishant being promoted.

[akshayxyz]

that doesnt make sense.u send the best batsmen equipped tp handle any situation,not worst.if we go by your logic,we should send the batsmen only wen its flat.in the 1st hour of the day wen the ball is swinging,we should send Ishant, n not 'risk' openers as Ishant will miss more than edging,ditto for 10 mins before lunch,or if a bowler is going thru a great spell,why risk main batsman,lets send Ishant,where does it stop? these are all challenges that a batsman is equipped to handle more than nightwatchman?if he cant survive two three overs in perfect light at the end of the day,what the heck is in the team for? nightwatchman tend to distort batting orders.plus they reek of negative mindset.its saying to the opposition'we dont trust our batsman to last these overs' instead of saying'we r on top n we'll sieze the inititative'.most times nightwatchman has caused collapses like in this match.Mohali last year also comes to mind.,where we collapsed to 124-8 b4 Laxman saved us.it hurts more than it works

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[KhanSaab]

I always felt teams should bat from the bottom up through their lineup. So the worst batsmen face the early morning swing and even if they lose their wickets, so be it.:winky:

[akshayxyz]

^ very much agree - in the tests, even I always wondered - if Ishant like tailenders can be thought ( and further taught) to be good at negotiating tough conditions, they should be moved at the top of the order.

[Sir john]

nicky boje inning was best :nice:

[Cricket Tragic]

nicky boje inning was best :nice:

Bangalore test?

[BeautifulGame]

IIRC Aus under Steve Waugh never used night watchmen whereas they quickly restored to using Nightwatchman when Ponting became captain. So perhaps its more of a reflection of overall team mindset rather than individual players preference.