BeautifulGame Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 True the players are not preforming...but I suppose the counter argument is this then to be fair: So experienced batsmen like Sehwag Gambhir Sachin Dravid Laxman woke up one day and all decided to suck when Kirsten left? And how many series away from India we won under Kristen against decent opposition?
Spiderguy252 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 And how many series away from India we won under Kristen against decent opposition? Mate. Forget about winning series against any opposition, WE ARE GETTING WHITEWASHED ON EVERY TOUR.
jonas10 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 And how many series away from India we won under Kristen against decent opposition? Again...how many series did India lose under Kristen against decent opposition?
Texan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 True the players are not preforming...but I suppose the counter argument is this then to be fair: So experienced batsmen like Sehwag Gambhir Sachin Dravid Laxman woke up one day and all decided to suck when Kirsten left? Do you really think experienced batsmen who have toured all countries and performed everywhere in the past like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag really need a coach?? You must be kidding if you think the coach is responsible for their poor performances. There is nothing any coach in the world can do when such experienced folks start playing like novices and selling their wickets cheaply.
Spiderguy252 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Again...how many series did India lose under Kristen against decent opposition? Mate,we are getting WHITEWASHED against any opposition at the moment with this fat hag.
BeautifulGame Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 who's defending the batsman, but when you see a team with very poor motivation, poor selection and pathetic tactics the coach is responsible. fatty is a joke. And the fact is none of these imaginary causes are reason for abject losses. The only reason we have lost 6 consecutive away tests is because we have failed to post a single score above 300 in any of them.For that the only blame lies with our top 5 experienced batsmen.Maybe not Dravid as he was excellent in England.But Sehwag Sachin Laxman and Gambhir are the ones to blame not the coach. I dont mind sacking Fletcher as i dont care who is the coach as long he isnt a dictator like Chappel.Coaches are over rated in Cricket.The last time we won a big series away from home we didnt even have a coach. But its a joke putting blame on Fletcher and making him the scapegoat when the real culprits are our batsmen
BeautifulGame Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Again...how many series did India lose under Kristen against decent opposition? Thats because we didnt play any of them apart from SA where even Srl have managed a win. The only other test series we drew against decent opposition was against Srilanka.The simple reason for that is Murali retired in the middle of the series.Otherwise we would have lost that series.Even Aus won the series in Srl without Murali. Oh how can we forget our abject performance of our batsmen under kristen in the test series against Murali and Mendis the other series against decent opposition
Texan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I dont mind sacking Fletcher as i dont care who is the coach as long he isnt a dictator like Chappel.Coaches are over rated in Cricket. Bang on! I'm pretty sure that BCCI will sack Fletcher and try to tell us that they're fixing what was broken, but that is not the solution. Our batting line-up needs to change. I don't mind sacking the coach as well, but the problem is (and has been for more than a year now) the top 6 "experienced" batsmen.
Needforspeed Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 LOL. The idiots are out here again. what next, blame fletcher for our batsmen getting old and washed up? i hate to break it to you Fobs, but no coach can reverse the aging process. Fletcher himself is old and washed up. Time for him to retire too. Just seeing him on TV can make you drowsy.
asehgal Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Isn't it a little childish to call him "Motu" and that too in the thread title?
Dravid_TheWall Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Isn't it a little childish to call him "Motu" and that too in the thread title? Yes it should have been expressionless motu :giggle:
punjabi_khota Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Isn't it a little childish to call him "Motu" and that too in the thread title? I guess fat phucker is more your adult style ?
akshayxyz Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 For a change I liked his interview about today's business. http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/547876.html Duncan Fletcher, under whose watch India have lost five straight away Tests and are struggling at the end of the first day of the sixth, would not say if he felt the Indian batsmen are doing badly, but hoped they, especially those in the middle order, would click together. India were bowled out for 190 after choosing to bat on a greenish SCG track, which would need diligent batting while the pitch was fresh; India lost four wickets in the first session. Fletcher, however, chose to give credit to the Australian bowlers and blamed the lack of "fortune" when asked about the continuous problems the batting line-up has faced, which shows in how they have gone past 300 - a barely competitive score on a non-dodgy pitch - only once in their last 17 away innings. "The mood in the change room has been very, very good," Fletcher said. "They have worked very hard at the nets. They are putting in the effort, they are trying their best. They are just some times in cricket we need a little bit of good fortune. If you see Sachin [Tendulkar] today, how many times do you play on from that width? Normally you put that through the covers for four. Sometimes it goes against you, sometimes it runs with you." Tendulkar was the only specialist batsman who looked at ease for a longish period, and played on when driving at a full and wide delivery. Fletcher spoke of the importance of partnerships. The problem, he said, didn't lie with getting them started, but in converting them into big meaningful ones. "What's crucial is when we get a partnership going, we make sure we take advantage of it," he said. "At times we have got partnerships going, and then suddenly we lose wickets, and haven't been able to take that partnership further. It's crucial in Test cricket that you get those partnerships of 100 and 150 to get that big score that's required." Fletcher said it was a matter of two or three of India's middle order performing well together. "It's important that they click together," he said. "As a unit they haven't scored consistently - all of them. I mean Rahul [Dravid] batted well in England. He has lost a little bit of form here. Sachin looks as though he is in good nick. There's just probably Laxy [VVS Laxman]. He is striking the ball well, he probably needs a little bit of good fortune. That middle order should be able to put in the good scores we require." What makes the Indian failure all the more intriguing is that Fletcher is considered to be one of the best men going around when it comes to batting technique. He, though, chose not to speak too much about technical flaws. About Gautam Gambhir's struggle - he fell in the first over today - Fletcher spoke of the mental side of things. "We have just been working on him to get more positive," Fletcher said. "That's what's crucial with Gautam. We are working on the sort of mental side of it, where we feel he has been quite tentative and pushing at balls instead of going out there and batting like he should. We have seen Gautam. He is an attacking batter. We are trying to get him to be a lot a more positive in his approach. Today the ball he got, it would have been difficult to leave that, pitching on leg stump, going across you. It probably would have got a few left-handers out so early on in your innings." Fletcher wouldn't get drawn into a debate on the defensive fields that have been India's hallmark during this series. Today, when India could have ended the day close to even if they had taken another wicket towards stumps, India employed well-spread fields in the final few overs. "You have to give credit to the opposition at some stage," he said. "[Ricky] Ponting and [Michael] Clarke came out and batted positively. Clarke was pretty positive. There were a few loose shots upfront there. He looked under a bit of pressure. He could quite easily have nicked one of those early, and they could have been four down." India's slide in Test cricket has coincided with Fletcher's appointment as the coach of the side when Gary Kirsten left after the World Cup success. He was asked what has gone wrong. "I don't think much has changed," Fletcher said. "I had long chats with Gary. I am very friendly with him. The approach, how you deal with an Indian side, we haven't changed that much." When asked how bad it will get before it gets better, Fletcher said it could all change as soon as the next innings. "We are pretty confident that at some stage they will get the runs that are required," he said. "In the second innings, let's just wait and see what happens there. "From tomorrow if we get through and keep them down to a similar score as us, that's not out of the question. I think we can put Australia under little bit of pressure if we bat well in the second innings."
akshayxyz Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 But don't think he could have said anything else.
akshayxyz Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Everyone is aware of key issues but don't want to press panic button and start making drastic changes - that will definitely unsettle the team at least for 1-2 years.
Pak_Fan_4_Eva Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 U guys forgot to blame the IPL :giggle: But IPL is the future and Test cricket is dying:((
Trundler27 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Fletcher is just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is no way this guy is going to change or 'coach' 40 year old superstars. He has no influence on who gets selected and probably has negligible influence on the final XI. If this were basketball or soccer then you can squarely blame the coach coz he is responsible for the personnel decisions and strategies, etc. In our case the coach is mainly going to stand and watch the seniors 'practice'. Now if we give him a young test side and don't see any progress after at least 1 year then I would agree that he needs to be sacked. Let's wait to see that happen first coz he is responsible for creating current English side (brought out the best in guys like cook, bell, prior, etc).
Ram Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I am beginning to think Duncan Fletcher is a ISI agent planted to by the effin Pakistanis to screw up our team. How the hell did we get from world cup winning, no.1 test ranked team to a team that will struggle to give the Bang Bros. a run for their money? :(( Somebody should install cameras in Duncan’s room and monitor his movements. I think he’s deliberately adding sedatives to our players’ breakfast when no-one’s looking.
adi B Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 oh man kick the old timer out...he`s such a non inspirational ***got
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