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Play Cricket in the summer watch cricket all year round play basketball outside in the summer indoors during winter play american football during the winter

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How do you want to define sport? What is the 'official' definition? As per me it is not any different from other sports when it comes to: a) winning/losing b) competitiveness (between top skilled players) c) satisfaction of winning against good player d) frustration of losing against worse player e) Amount of effort required ( # of hours to put) to become the best in the business. f) The part luck can play - when a match is between two players of significant skill difference. A significantly better skilled player will beat lesser one, more often than not. g) Physical and mental endurance required to become the very best. and so on.
In other words. IMO - a win in any game/sport (with clear definition of rules of winning) is as satisfying as it can be in any field - where a balanced combination of following is required to be the best. a) Better skills (acquired or genetic), give you clear advantage over lesser skilled player. b) Extra practice (quality & quantity wise) gives you a clear advantage over the competitors of similar skills. I would give this more weight-age than 'acquired-skill/genetics' part. c) When everything else is same (amount/quality of practice & skills), mental aspect comes into play. e.g. handling of nerves/anxiety. In short - sport=game=sport=game.. where, at the high levels of competition, result (win/loss/draw) is least affected by luck(randomness) factors, and practice is the only way to achieve perfection (relatively).
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How do you want to define sport? What is the 'official' definition? As per me it is not any different from other sports when it comes to: a) winning/losing b) competitiveness (between top skilled players) c) satisfaction of winning against good player d) frustration of losing against worse player e) Amount of effort required ( # of hours to put) to become the best in the business. f) The part luck can play - when a match is between two players of significant skill difference. A significantly better skilled player will beat lesser one, more often than not. g) Physical and mental endurance required to become the very best. and so on.
Eloquently put. Well thought out definition. :hatsoff: Have you ever considered a career in law? I don't know the definition of a 'sport' , but I'll agree with yours with some small tweaks. Your point 'f' rules out games which involve a pair of dice or any kind of luck. So those are rightly not classified as sports. However, if you consider a competition of Counterstrike/ Age of Warriors or any of the other network games you guys play, it would still meet all the criteria you've mentioned above. I would still not like to call that as a sport. Or at least my gut feel prohibits me from calling network games a sport. I would put an additional criteria. The minimum energy /force ( both physical and mental measured in whatever way possible and permissible) expended in playing a certain game. What that level is, people from a science back ground can agree upon. So even a game like arm wrestling or kabaddi are sports, while chess and scrabble may not meet those minimum energy/force thresholds.
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Eloquently put. Well thought out definition. :hatsoff:
Thanks. Well, it just came from the heart as I have been very passionate & competitive about few of such games that people like to shrug off as 'leisure games' ;).
Have you ever considered a career in law?
Thanks again. A bit late for changing career, but yes (bear with me a bit of boasting :)) - I did win a potential lawsuit case (before it could go to court) against management of one of the very top US company. After months of email exchanges (even receiving threats like - do what you can) with their legal department, I managed to convince them that if I go to court they would have no chance and got it settled out of court.
I don't know the definition of a 'sport' , but I'll agree with yours with some small tweaks.
Even I do not want to argue on that, just wanted to point out the similarities between sports and games (which are not accepted as sports), in terms of winning/losing/competitiveness and such.
Your point 'f' rules out games which involve a pair of dice or any kind of luck. So those are rightly not classified as sports. However, if you consider a competition of Counterstrike/ Age of Warriors or any of the other network games you guys play, it would still meet all the criteria you've mentioned above. I would still not like to call that as a sport. Or at least my gut feel prohibits me from calling network games a sport. I would put an additional criteria. The minimum energy /force ( both physical and mental measured in whatever way possible and permissible) expended in playing a certain game. What that level is, people from a science back ground can agree upon. So even a game like arm wrestling or kabaddi are sports, while chess and scrabble may not meet those minimum energy/force thresholds.
Games with luck/dices - It is difficult to defend these where luck (role of dice, card shuffles) plays major role. E.g. Poker, from whatever I have read/seen an experienced player, in longer run, should win against lesser ones. But then, there comes a streak of bad luck, when however good you are - you just cant win. Perhaps thats one big reason why "games of luck" do not qualify for comparison with sports.. But that should not take away the long hours of practice required to reach the top - even in something as leisurely as Poker. And these also require overcoming/managing mental and physical fatigue, controlling nerves etc... Computer/Network games - It is understandable why people do not want to consider them as sport. For the reasons like - being mostly sedentary, less energy required / hour, world-level-competition is relatively low in this space (In the sense most 10 y/o kids do not aspire/practice to become world champs in computer games), it does not take 5-10 years to reach the top..etc.. But, read about any top cyber-game player - e.g. in quake, AoE, Star Craft etc.. People at the top usually have better skills and have reached there by practicing for insane number of hours. It is a valid argument that, it does not take much energy(per hour) to play those games. But that applies to your competitors also! So, eventually to reach the top you will have to stretch that extra inch more than the guy next to you. Which results in playing/practicing till exhaustion. And that is as demanding (mentally and physically) as it is in any sport. In these games also, when every one at top is trying equally hard, other differentiators come into play (like it is seen in every sport) - better understanding of the game, innovation ,controlling nerves, managing good health etc. Similarly - it is difficult to convince a common man that Chess is physically/mentally as demanding as Kabaddi. But I would like to hear what likes of Anand, Kasparov have to say on this. But, its better to keep them in a separate category - mind sports. Also, for people who doubt the amount of effort required to reach and stay at top in cue-sports. I suggest a book "Success vs Joy" by Geet Sethi (hardly 200 pages read). He has beautifully captured the similarities between - when it comes to excelling - cricket, golf, chess, or any sport/field for that matter.
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i dont remember but there used to be this game i played when i was a kid you draw a few squares on the ground with a piece of chalk then you throw a stone into squares sequentially if it goes out of it you lose the turn if not you skip on one leg towards it stepping on each of the squares before it without losing balance pick up the rock and mark it with an X. i forgot what it was called

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i dont remember but there used to be this game i played when i was a kid you draw a few squares on the ground with a piece of chalk then you throw a stone into squares sequentially if it goes out of it you lose the turn if not you skip on one leg towards it stepping on each of the squares before it without losing balance pick up the rock and mark it with an X. i forgot what it was called
Hopscotch , we called it stapu , its also called kith- kith or Ekhat-Dukhat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopscotch but it was considered girls' sport yar....
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Thanks again. A bit late for changing career, but yes (bear with me a bit of boasting :)) - I did win a potential lawsuit case (before it could go to court) against management of one of the very top US company. After months of email exchanges (even receiving threats like - do what you can) with their legal department, I managed to convince them that if I go to court they would have no chance and got it settled out of court.
I'm all ears. :two_thumbs_up: On topic: Play: Used to attend Karate class for 6 years till I turned 14. The only thing close to a sport that I do is swimming, but its just relaxation and nothing competitive about it. These days, the only strenuous physical activity is going for a few dance classes and dodging the occasional spoon/fork/ladle that my mom throws at me. Follow: Only cricket. Mainly IPL ( which cricket extremists like MTC, BossBhai, S=G and The Outsider don't even consider as cricket ) and ODI WC and India's games.
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I'm all ears. :two_thumbs_up: On topic: Play: Used to attend Karate class for 6 years till I turned 14. The only thing close to a sport that I do is swimming, but its just relaxation and nothing competitive about it. These days, the only strenuous physical activity is going for a few dance classes and dodging the occasional spoon/fork/ladle that my mom throws at me. Follow: Only cricket. Mainly IPL ( which cricket extremists like MTC, BossBhai and The Outsider don't even consider as cricket ) and ODI WC and India's games.
I thought you "loved" football - the intelligent man's game :confused" p.s. I also do not consider Bollywood Tamasha to be cricket.
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