Bumper Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Actually' date=' Kohli seems to be the only positive that seems to be coming out of the tour. He has improved with every test. Test batsmen are not created over night, some of the best have had their struggles early in their careers. What's encouraging is how Kohli is willing to learn and adapt. There was one ball yesterday when he went to play the across the line flick to mid wicket, but changed the shot and pushed the ball to mid on with a straight bat. Deserves the entire series.[/quote'] I dont know about Kohli learning. The guy has played a dozen test innings so far and is yet to impress (if you overlook his two 50s on flat Indian roads). Starc bowled a lot of rubbish deliveries on Kohli's pads, yesterday. Kohli would have been a sitting duck to short pitched bowling on this wicket (I recall how Fidel Edwards made him hop around in WI on lesser bouncy wickets) and I dont think he was tested enough yesterday. I am not sold on his 44. He never looked settled in the time he spent at the crease. As i had expected he did not reach 50, plays an airy drive and gets out. May be i dont have as much sympathy as you. I am not sure it is anything to do with the no. of games he has played. If you look back at our batting greats, most of them made a mark very early on in their careers. And you could tell that these guys would go on to serve India for a long time. Kohli does not look like one such prospect. SRT started with a 50 in Pakiland, Ganguly/Dravid with a century in their first Eng tour, Azhar started with three 100s, Sehwag started with a bang as well. Laxman took a while to develop, but to be fair to him, he was abused as an opener very early on in his career. I like Pujara and Rohit better than this dude. But given the recent debacles, Kohli may get an extended run, as honestly, we aren't exatly spoilt for choice.
Old guy Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 I dont know about Kohli learning. The guy has played a dozen test innings so far and is yet to impress (if you overlook his two 50s on flat Indian roads). Starc bowled a lot of rubbish deliveries on Kohli's pads, yesterday. Kohli would have been a sitting duck to short pitched bowling on this wicket (I recall how Fidel Edwards made him hop around in WI on lesser bouncy wickets). I am not sold on his 44. He never looked settled in the time he spent at the crease. As i had expected he did not reach 50, plays an airy drive and gets out. May be i dont have as much sympathy as you. I am not sure it is anything to do with the no. of games he has played. If you look back at our batting greats, most of them made a mark very early on in their careers. SRT started with a 50 in Pakiland, Ganguly/Dravid with a century in their first Eng tour, Azhar started with three 100s, Sehwag started with a bang as well. Laxman took a while to develop, but to be fair to him, he was abused as an opener very early on in his career. I like Pujara and Rohit better than this dude. But given the recent debacles, Kohli may get an extended run, as honestly, we aren't exatly spoilt for choice. i think he looked settled enough and short balls ur saying he looked comfortable enough against them.. its not about pulls or hooks,cuts u play what made me think he was comfortable was the fact his feet were moving he wasnt scared of short ball like raina is or like he was in west indies he improved on that front and during this innngs u can se he was trying to play straight cut off those bad shots eventually got out but thing was those little hcnages .. he was sitting duck in first match now he was out highest scorer and kohli started badly in odis if u remember? his attitude is bad but his attitude towards learning isnt...
The Outsider Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I dont know about Kohli learning. The guy has played a dozen test innings so far and is yet to impress (if you overlook his two 50s on flat Indian roads). Starc bowled a lot of rubbish deliveries on Kohli's pads, yesterday. Kohli would have been a sitting duck to short pitched bowling on this wicket (I recall how Fidel Edwards made him hop around in WI on lesser bouncy wickets) and I dont think he was tested enough yesterday. I am not sold on his 44. He never looked settled in the time he spent at the crease. As i had expected he did not reach 50, plays an airy drive and gets out. May be i dont have as much sympathy as you. I am not sure it is anything to do with the no. of games he has played. If you look back at our batting greats, most of them made a mark very early on in their careers. And you could tell that these guys would go on to serve India for a long time. Kohli does not look like one such prospect. SRT started with a 50 in Pakiland, Ganguly/Dravid with a century in their first Eng tour, Azhar started with three 100s, Sehwag started with a bang as well. Laxman took a while to develop, but to be fair to him, he was abused as an opener very early on in his career. I like Pujara and Rohit better than this dude. But given the recent debacles, Kohli may get an extended run, as honestly, we aren't exatly spoilt for choice. Bumper, not sure if you are watching or online right now, but if you are you would be hard pressed to say that the guy has not improved. He is not a finished product by any means, but given the paucity of good test match talent he is well worth the investment. At the very least he is showing an inclination to learn, improve, and adapt to test cricket unlike the likes of Yuvraj and Raina.
Old guy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 no one siad kohli is finished product but unlike lets say raina he is improving quickly jsut compare his batting in first match and this match... and even now he is performing better then seniors who we cant really complain now
J P K Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Both are flat track bullies...Jadeja or manoj tiwari should have been there. Dhoni's favoritism clearly shows in the team selected today. Again persisted with the same top 6, 5 of whom have been responsible for losing 6 away tests in a row. No other team in the world would have persisted with the same batting line-up, especially when you have Rohit and Rahane as backup. His favoritism also showed in how he dropped Ashwin on the first chance he got. His blind love for Harbhajan may end up dismantling Ashwin's career. Dhoni has lost it. Get rid of this guy before he does more damage. i mean seriously the kohli hype is inexplicable,the guy has absolutely no respect for the game whatsoever and considers himself above the game with no regard to the fact that he is his country's ambassador the likes of sachin and dravid don't get respected just for their batting,it's their conduct as well No player whatsoever and how talented he is should not behave in such a way since it looks ugly rohit sharma is a much decent player than kohli wow FTB kohli over the classy rohit sharma. just shows why dhobi is such a poor captain.
NeutralCat Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 The team needs to be built around Yafav, Kholi, Aaron, Oja, Ashwin, Rohit Sharma, this Indian team needs a massive overhaul, I think Dravid and Laxman need to step aside for Adelaide. The rebuilding should have started a long time ago, I don't mind getting hammered with a bunch of kids learning, but to get hammered by a bunch of kids destroying this world class batting line up is a disgrace.
Old guy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 The team needs to be built around Yafav, Kholi, Aaron, Oja, Ashwin, Rohit Sharma, this Indian team needs a massive overhaul, I think Dravid and Laxman need to step aside for Adelaide. The rebuilding should have started a long time ago, I don't mind getting hammered with a bunch of kids learning, but to get hammered by a bunch of kids destroying this world class batting line up is a disgrace. this!
Shunya Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 and thus...bunch of dumbfu.cks here keep on calling young players FTBs and to be dropped just to shield senior players again n again...sad truth about Indian cricket are these fans...who would go on to hate everyone just for the sake of saving the outdated maharathis...
youngindia Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 In any field, people mature at different rates. there are early developers,late developers. steve waugh didn't have a century for 28 tests and at the time of 1991 india tour of australia, he was not in the test team(six years afetr his debut) becker won a GS at 17, lendl won his first at 24 .still lendl has 2 more GS and three+ years as no1. gavaskar made 774 runs in his first series but it tok 1974 for anohter 100. azhar may have started with 3 100's but he didn't make another hundred vs a major side until pakistan 1987. ganguly and ravid may have made hundred vs a medocr england attack but their contribution vs australia, SA , pakistan till 2000 was patchy to say the least. having performances early or late does not mean anything.It takes time and a process to become a established player.period. A estblished test player has a mature skill set to give conssitent reliable performances atleast in days of reasonable form. phi hughes making hundred in his first 2 tests didn't mean he became a estblished test player.mendis causing havoc in 2008 didn't mean he became , nor did yadav with yesterday's fifer. (zaheer is the only established bowler.ishant is struggling to become one) It would be better if expectations of ALL younger players are along these lines,
The Outsider Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 ^ Oh please, spare ICF your gems - you are on record stating the case of Flathappa and Raina over Kohli.
youngindia Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 ^ Oh please' date=' spare ICF your gems - you are on record stating the case of Flathappa and Raina over Kohli.[/quote'] A stupid irrelvant answer. i had argued against kohli and jadeja being brought too early.it is on basis of age, experience and seasoning.not becuase i casted doubt on their talent.kohli didn't pass 40 in any of the WC knock outs did he? as for uthappa, i am able to see his immense strategic value for the shorter forms with his exceptional ability to strike the ball. Anohter similar player yuvraj has been a ODI superstar for india in the last decade apart from being a player of the world cup.if you can't see it, i can't help you. raina 's technique below the waist is pretty solid. he takes his eyes off the ball when it flies above chest. but then there was a ganguly that had a 10 +yr old career with a simialr problem. don;t worry. i know what i see.
The Outsider Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 ^ Even an imbecile would know that it was the Gambhir-Kohli partnership of 90 odd runs which won India the WC final - you can stuff those 40 run cut offs where ever you want. Uthappa and strategic value! Raina's technique is solid below the waist? Do you even read before you hit the post button?
youngindia Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 ^ Even an imbecile would know that it was the Gambhir-Kohli partnership of 90 odd runs which won India the WC final - you can stuff those 40 run cut offs where ever you want. even ignoramus like you shud know a specialist batsman is supposed to play longer knocks atleast in one of the crucial matches. i am not saying kohli did bad. he did ok for his age and experience. he was not in aposition to play a bigger role at this point in his career. my point was why not pick a more seasoned player? that was the crux of my argument at that time. raina played 2 crucial knocks in pressure cooker situations vs aus and pak? would he have done it in 2007? highly unlikely. Uthappa and strategic value! do you laugh at your own jokes because no one else will? stupid ignoramus.
Bumper Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Bumper' date=' not sure if you are watching or online right now, but if you are you would be hard pressed to say that the guy has not improved. He is not a finished product by any means, but given the paucity of good test match talent he is well worth the investment. At the very least he is showing an inclination to learn, improve, and adapt to test cricket unlike the likes of Yuvraj and Raina.[/quote'] I watched most if not all of his batting today. He did look like a much improved bat. He's obviously made a few adjustments to his technique: a) Improved shot selection: He used to keep poking at deliveries before. He showed much better judgment in this innings. b) Played straight most of the time: His natural instinct is to whip it on the on-side. He almost got done in a couple of times playing across, he straightened his bat in the last second. He definitely showed that he cares and is committed to playing tests, which is a good sign. A 75 at Perth (one of the most difficult wickets for Indian batsmen) is not an innings you can overlook. So he got everyone's attention. That said, I dont think the Aussies had worked out a plan for Kohli, partly because he is relatively new and partly because he is of lesser threat to them than the big five. The Aussie bowlers had so much success bowling full length to our batsmen, you could forgive them for not using much short stuff against our batsmen, esp, Kohli. Kohli obviously is not comfortable against short pitched stuff. The one bouncer Ryan Harris bowled to Kohli, he looked clueless. I think that's his achilles heel. How well he negotiates the short stuff may well hold the key to his success as a test player. Time will tell. In any case, given our test schedule the next two years and the vaccuum left by our ageing players, Kohli will have ample opportunity and time to mature before he is tested again outside the subcontinent.
The Outsider Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 ^ Bumper, you might be right about his failings against the short ball, and maybe I am just fascinating over a superb couple of knocks he played - but the bottom line remains that he is the only yengster I've seen to adpat to conditions and matches besides Pujara and that gives me a sliver of hope - you might say unfounded, but it's still some hope?
Old guy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 am i the only one who saw him comfortably leaving naything short or pulling/? yes one time he was hit but he didn't looked uncomfortable like before
Number Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 am i the only one who saw him comfortably leaving naything short or pulling/? yes one time he was hit but he didn't looked uncomfortable like before Me as well. Most of the times I have seen him pull , it was well controlled and more importantly he had eyes on the ball each time he connected. Not only here but in SCG too. Earlier it was his bat hanging outside off stump which was making him nick one , here he covered off stump well. Also his flicks were causing him trouble against inswingers .
King Tendulkar Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Some do not realise that a player can improve. Kohli will and is doing this. Please dont make me list players who arrived and flopped with weaknesses. Then came back having sorted themselves out. S Waugh and horrors against short ball is 1st on list
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