Joe Dawes : New Bowling Coach for India ... YAY!!

[adhishwar]

TA Sekar should just be appointed, he has the best record with fast bowling coaching. All over the world, people look to Dennis Lillee and him as THE best men for fast bowling coaching

[rkt.india]

Will Fletcher be sacked anywhere in the near future though? I am yet to see an ounce of improvement in the team ever since his improvement. In fact' date=' our batting has become worse since his appointment and our bowling has not improved either.[/quote'] yes when we will lose test series at home against England.

[rkt.india]

TA Sekar should just be appointed' date=' he has the best record with fast bowling coaching. All over the world, people look to Dennis Lillee and him as THE best men for fast bowling coaching[/quote'] He is overrated for me because he has not done what is required of a bowling coach which is to refine the fast bowlers. He has been mainly doing hunting all around India to find young guys with potential and pick them and bring them to MRF but they have not molded them. Most of these guys who went to MRF were all finds like Zak, Munaf, Pathan, Aaron, etc. I have seen enough fast bowlers coming from MRF who are so unfinished and raw even after so many years of coaching. What is the use of coaching when they cannot even refine their basics like bowling action and runup. Varun Aaron has been attending MRF since the age of 15 when Shekhar found him in a hunt at the age of 15, but his bowling action and runup still are very unrefined, same thing is with PK Dharma from Tamilandu, and Rituraj Singh another example. Academies in India are useless and overrated because there is no full time academy where player stay and learn the art for a month or 2 , but they just organize camp for 2 weeks at a stretch 1-2 times a year which is not good enough to make and refine a fast bowler.

[The Dark Horse]

^Dennis Lilleee is also working with bowlers in MRF, are you telling he's also incompetent?

[ChanaLal]

This is the unimpressive Joe Dawes, our new fast bowling national coach, talking about fast bowling. This interview ends up being totally about fitness and not about skill levels or pace, but all about gym work and fitness training. What worries me is this guy think fast bowling coaching is about gym work and fitness (which is the role of a strength and fitness coach). NOTHING in this from him about pace, control, accuracy, upgrading skill levels and the things we need in India to compete. he mentions one to ones and "skills' in two weeks time. but you cannot develop players in just a week or two before the season only. A top coach would be working on tis all year round and developing their talent FIRST. He just sounds like another aussie talking about training - and nothing new about skilling the fast bowlers. This interview was in pre-saeson as well, the exact time you DO the pace, control, accuracy and skill upgrading work. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsAMB2gpUXU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsAMB2gpUXU[/ame]

[rkt.india]

Who is Joe Dawes? Joe Dawes was announced yesterday as India's new bowling coach. I've already read a few blog comments on various cricket websites and online newspapers, and some Indian fans are understandably a bit nervous about who they are getting to fill Eric Simons' shoes. I'm here to put your minds at ease - worry not folks, this is one appointment that will reap rich dividends soon. Let me state my bias upfront so there's no question of me offering a neutral opinion. I've known Joey since we first started playing cricket together at Valleys CC in Brisbane back in 1995. We've been good mates ever since and we've even worked together. So the opinions I offer suffer from undoubted bias but they also benefit from an intimate knowledge of the man himself. It cuts both ways. I won't even begin to address his technical competence because, frankly, I don't understand what it takes to coach bowling at this level. Suffice to say that he has all the qualifications and experience but it's how he imparts that knowledge and then gets players to execute those skills under pressure that will impress you. Just wait and see. I rate Joey's coaching skills highly because he was a cricketer who had to fight his way through the system to get to where he is right now. He was one of the last players to come through the old-fashioned way of playing grade cricket, having to take lots of wickets and forcing his way into first-class cricket on the back of sheer weight of performance. He was almost the last of that generation of club cricketer who found his way into the Sheffield Shield squad through consistent club performances. Many of today's contracted players come through the academies and junior talent ID programs, making Under-19 representative teams along the way and migrating onto the contract list via that path. It's almost like we've invested so much in them that it's a waste of money to not migrate them into the senior squad. Some modern cricketers have hardly played senior club cricket; their talent was spotted early, they were coached from the age of 13 or so, and they just kept making representative teams as they fulfilled their own prophecies. Not so Joey Dawes. He was never really in the mix until the selectors simply could not ignore his consistent haul of club wickets, at a time when Queensland's bowling stocks were rich indeed. They didn't really need to go looking for another fast bowler but Joey forced them to pick him. He did it on the back of a sudden spurt of self-improvement, increased fitness and an amazing discovery of a few extra yards of pace. At the height of his career, he was as quick as anyone going around in Shield cricket (at a time when Australia had fast bowling depth to burn) and he bowled a "heavy ball? I've faced him often enough in the nets to now understand what that term means. My bruised ribs testify to that. It is this life experience that will benefit the Indian bowling unit - Joey understands how to bring on a latent talent that for whatever reason has been unfulfilled. His past career as a policeman will also be an asset to him. He has that curious mix of empathy and caring, which police officers often have in their character make-up, aligned with a no-nonsense, no bullshit mentality that has probably been honed by what he experienced on the beat. He is brutally honest in the way he gets his point across but that honesty always carries with it a ready willingness to fix the problem. He once had to call me and tell me I was dropped from an A Grade final and it was a fairly simple phone call. No waffling around the edges, just the simple truth that I was going to be 12th man because my performance the previous week wasn't good enough. As miffed as I was to miss out on selection, I appreciated the fact that there weren't any other limp excuses trotted out to cushion the blow. "Not good enough" was a clear message. What struck me later, though, was that the next time I was in the nets with him he actually came up with strategies to help me improve. That's the sort of straight-talking honesty that the Indian squad can expect from their new bowling coach. Honest, direct, straight to the point with no frills around the truth. Equally, his life experience on and off the field allows him to communicate effectively with players who aren't necessarily born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Mark my words - he will bring on a couple of young quicks who have latent talent but have been languishing on the periphery. He has walked a mile in their shoes. Joey was instrumental in helping me to design a "lifeskills" programme for elite athletes that I now run across the country. His input at design and execution stage was invaluable because he was able to cut through political correctness and identify issues that were relevant to young athletes from all sports. When confronted by young men with oversized egos, Joey had no problem with cutting them down to size. Equally, I've seen him counsel young female athletes who needed a sympathetic ear and empathy (not necessarily sympathy) and his gentleness surprised me on more than one occasion. As someone who is almost the polar opposite of him in every respect, my friendship with him is a curious one. He's never played cricket the way I did (he didn't have to - he bowled fast!) but the fact that we're both MCC members hinted at a shared philosophy for cricket that we still have in common. What to expect from IndiaÃÔ new bowling coach? Discipline and honesty. He will hold players accountable for their results and work ethic. He will see through lame excuses and lazy habits. He will be open to helping anybody but I suspect he won't pander to spoiled young men looking for the easy way in and out of the Indian team. Biased though I am, I think Indian cricket will be better for his input, not just as a bowling coach but as a bloke who has lived a life outside the game too. Hard but fair. India have got themselves a good 'un this time. Just don't let him anywhere near your batsmen or they'll all be trying to bash the ball over midwicket! http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/diffstrokes/archives/2012/02/post.php

[ChanaLal]

^Dennis Lilleee is also working with bowlers in MRF' date=' are you telling he's also incompetent?[/quote'] I heard that 80% of all bowlers coming out of MRF have back injuries or injuries of some other kind. None of them seem to bowl quick but end up far slower. I think Lillee knows one or two things from the 1970's when he played but this guy is old now and his stuff is not relevant anymore. He knows jack sh*t about T20 bowling and has never 'produced' anyone. Just because someone visits a cricket academy doesn't make them a product of it. Beware the players 'claims' made by academies to cover the fact they don't actually produce anything.

[rkt.india]

^Dennis Lilleee is also working with bowlers in MRF' date=' are you telling he's also incompetent?[/quote'] I am not saying he is incompetent but problem is the duration. Two weeks a year of coaching is not good enough to make a bowler. Bowling is like any other subject to learn for a college student. When you cannot be expected to get good marks by spending just two weeks in your institution then how can a bowler be expected to learn the art of bowling in 2 weeks in the academy. Especially, bowlers who have issues with their basics, like bowling action and runup. These cannot be modified overnight. These things are done in steps assessment, amendments, take those amendments into practice and then practice consistently in the nets in guidance of the coach and bring perfection. These things cannot be done in 15 days.

[rkt.india]

This is the unimpressive Joe Dawes, our new fast bowling national coach, talking about fast bowling. This interview ends up being totally about fitness and not about skill levels or pace, but all about gym work and fitness training. What worries me is this guy think fast bowling coaching is about gym work and fitness (which is the role of a strength and fitness coach). NOTHING in this from him about pace, control, accuracy, upgrading skill levels and the things we need in India to compete. he mentions one to ones and "skills' in two weeks time. but you cannot develop players in just a week or two before the season only. A top coach would be working on tis all year round and developing their talent FIRST. He just sounds like another aussie talking about training - and nothing new about skilling the fast bowlers. This interview was in pre-saeson as well, the exact time you DO the pace, control, accuracy and skill upgrading work.

Training is as important as bowling. If you train well, you will bowl well because of good fitness you can attain through training. In India, we do not give much importance to training. Look at Umesh Yadav, his physique is ideal for a fast bowler and that is attained through training. To become a fast bowler, you need to become an athlete and look at international athletes.

[ChanaLal]

This is the one line from above that says it all about recommending him: We've been good mates ever since.... This line is also gold: His past career as a policeman will also be an asset to him. This has NO relevance to being a fast bowling coach who can coach PACE, ACCURACY and CONTROL of a cricket ball. Being a 'nice guy...a mate..or a former policeman' I'm afraid doesn't cut it. It is all about how you coach the technical aspect of fast bowling and as said above.."I don't understand what it takes to coach bowling at this level" Nothing in this interview about him being able to improve the skill levels of our bowlers. There's a saying: "Buyer beware". WE have been warned

[ChanaLal]

Training is as important as bowling. If you train well' date=' you will bowl well because of good fitness you can attain through training. In India, we do not give much importance to training. Look at Umesh Yadav, his physique is ideal for a fast bowler and that is attained through training. To become a fast bowler, you need to become an athlete and look at international athletes.[/quote'] You need SKILL first, second and third. Fitness plays an important role but that is not the job of a fast bowling coach. It is the role of the S&C coach. Don't be confused over what wins matches: runs and wickets. Just being fit doesn't make you better, just fitter. Only better skills make you better. Just training in gym doesn't make you bowl well I'm afraid. Disappointed with this appointment as the guy shows no concept of understanding that. If you had to choose between a fit bowler who was average, and a brilliant bowler who carried a few pounds, I would ALWAYS choose the better player. The truth is today that you don't have to choose because S&C coaches are everywhere. So it is all down to skill levels.

[Magneto]

Joe Dawes was announced yesterday as India's new bowling coach. I've already read a few blog comments on various cricket websites and online newspapers, and some Indian fans are understandably a bit nervous about who they are getting to fill Eric Simons' shoes. I'm here to put your minds at ease - worry not folks, this is one appointment that will reap rich dividends soon. Let me state my bias upfront so there's no question of me offering a neutral opinion. I've known Joey since we first started playing cricket together at Valleys CC in Brisbane back in 1995. We've been good mates ever since and we've even worked together. So the opinions I offer suffer from undoubted bias but they also benefit from an intimate knowledge of the man himself. It cuts both ways. I won't even begin to address his technical competence because, frankly, I don't understand what it takes to coach bowling at this level. Suffice to say that he has all the qualifications and experience but it's how he imparts that knowledge and then gets players to execute those skills under pressure that will impress you. Just wait and see. I rate Joey's coaching skills highly because he was a cricketer who had to fight his way through the system to get to where he is right now. He was one of the last players to come through the old-fashioned way of playing grade cricket, having to take lots of wickets and forcing his way into first-class cricket on the back of sheer weight of performance. He was almost the last of that generation of club cricketer who found his way into the Sheffield Shield squad through consistent club performances. Many of today's contracted players come through the academies and junior talent ID programs, making Under-19 representative teams along the way and migrating onto the contract list via that path. It's almost like we've invested so much in them that it's a waste of money to not migrate them into the senior squad. Some modern cricketers have hardly played senior club cricket; their talent was spotted early, they were coached from the age of 13 or so, and they just kept making representative teams as they fulfilled their own prophecies. Not so Joey Dawes. He was never really in the mix until the selectors simply could not ignore his consistent haul of club wickets, at a time when Queensland's bowling stocks were rich indeed. They didn't really need to go looking for another fast bowler but Joey forced them to pick him. He did it on the back of a sudden spurt of self-improvement, increased fitness and an amazing discovery of a few extra yards of pace. At the height of his career, he was as quick as anyone going around in Shield cricket (at a time when Australia had fast bowling depth to burn) and he bowled a "heavy ball? I've faced him often enough in the nets to now understand what that term means. My bruised ribs testify to that. It is this life experience that will benefit the Indian bowling unit - Joey understands how to bring on a latent talent that for whatever reason has been unfulfilled. His past career as a policeman will also be an asset to him. He has that curious mix of empathy and caring, which police officers often have in their character make-up, aligned with a no-nonsense, no bullshit mentality that has probably been honed by what he experienced on the beat. He is brutally honest in the way he gets his point across but that honesty always carries with it a ready willingness to fix the problem. He once had to call me and tell me I was dropped from an A Grade final and it was a fairly simple phone call. No waffling around the edges, just the simple truth that I was going to be 12th man because my performance the previous week wasn't good enough. As miffed as I was to miss out on selection, I appreciated the fact that there weren't any other limp excuses trotted out to cushion the blow. "Not good enough" was a clear message. What struck me later, though, was that the next time I was in the nets with him he actually came up with strategies to help me improve. That's the sort of straight-talking honesty that the Indian squad can expect from their new bowling coach. Honest, direct, straight to the point with no frills around the truth. Equally, his life experience on and off the field allows him to communicate effectively with players who aren't necessarily born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Mark my words - he will bring on a couple of young quicks who have latent talent but have been languishing on the periphery. He has walked a mile in their shoes. Joey was instrumental in helping me to design a "lifeskills" programme for elite athletes that I now run across the country. His input at design and execution stage was invaluable because he was able to cut through political correctness and identify issues that were relevant to young athletes from all sports. When confronted by young men with oversized egos, Joey had no problem with cutting them down to size. Equally, I've seen him counsel young female athletes who needed a sympathetic ear and empathy (not necessarily sympathy) and his gentleness surprised me on more than one occasion. As someone who is almost the polar opposite of him in every respect, my friendship with him is a curious one. He's never played cricket the way I did (he didn't have to - he bowled fast!) but the fact that we're both MCC members hinted at a shared philosophy for cricket that we still have in common. What to expect from IndiaÃÔ new bowling coach? Discipline and honesty. He will hold players accountable for their results and work ethic. He will see through lame excuses and lazy habits. He will be open to helping anybody but I suspect he won't pander to spoiled young men looking for the easy way in and out of the Indian team. Biased though I am, I think Indian cricket will be better for his input, not just as a bowling coach but as a bloke who has lived a life outside the game too. Hard but fair. India have got themselves a good 'un this time. Just don't let him anywhere near your batsmen or they'll all be trying to bash the ball over midwicket! http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/diffstrokes/archives/2012/02/post.php

When I started reading, I thought RKT has played cricket with him at 'Valleys CC in Brisbane back in 1995'.

[mhr123]

yaar isse accha tho apna Luks thaa.. kaam se kaam apne Indians Cricketers ka Six pack tho dekna naseeb hota.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

The way its going Rkt has a good chance of coaching team india.

[chainsmoker1985]

This is the unimpressive Joe Dawes, our new fast bowling national coach, talking about fast bowling. This interview ends up being totally about fitness and not about skill levels or pace, but all about gym work and fitness training. What worries me is this guy think fast bowling coaching is about gym work and fitness (which is the role of a strength and fitness coach). NOTHING in this from him about pace, control, accuracy, upgrading skill levels and the things we need in India to compete. he mentions one to ones and "skills' in two weeks time. but you cannot develop players in just a week or two before the season only. A top coach would be working on tis all year round and developing their talent FIRST. He just sounds like another aussie talking about training - and nothing new about skilling the fast bowlers. This interview was in pre-saeson as well, the exact time you DO the pace, control, accuracy and skill upgrading work.

Fitness should be the first requirement for any fast bowler. Look at Munaf Patel. He slowed down for only 1 reason that his body couldn't take the burden of fast bowling. He had no muscles, bad fitness and poor attitude. To prolong his career he compromised on speed. If Varun Aaron doesn't improve his fitness and given that he already is having some fitness and back problems, he will also compromise on speed soon, no matter whatever he says. I agree with other points that you said that skills of fast bowling are also important but physique is actually more important. Ideally, Wasim Akram should have been the bowling coach. He has great passion for pace and he has unlimited knowledge of fast bowling skills. And he is quite enthusiastic too, to share his experiences with the youngsters. But, BCCI has a narrow mindset so I was never expecting him to be coach.

[ChanaLal]

Fitness should be the first requirement for any fast bowler. Look at Munaf Patel. He slowed down for only 1 reason that his body couldn't take the burden of fast bowling. He had no muscles, bad fitness and poor attitude. To prolong his career he compromised on speed. If Varun Aaron doesn't improve his fitness and given that he already is having some fitness and back problems, he will also compromise on speed soon, no matter whatever he says. I agree with other points that you said that skills of fast bowling are also important but physique is actually more important. Ideally, Wasim Akram should have been the bowling coach. He has great passion for pace and he has unlimited knowledge of fast bowling skills. And he is quite enthusiastic too, to share his experiences with the youngsters. But, BCCI has a narrow mindset so I was never expecting him to be coach.

Regardless of what you say I cannot agree that Wasim Akram knows how to coach PACE. Very, very few coaches understand this least of all someone who bowled himself with an unusual action that was untaught. Before you can educate others you have to know how the apply that to another person. Wasim, a great bowler he was, cannot coach PACE. Secondly, as with batting, fielding, wicket-keeping...technique is the most important thing and the SKILL level of the player. To suggest that fitness is the most important part is madness. Fitness is a function of fast bowling and if you bowl enough you will be fit. You get skill from bowling not from the gym. If we follow your logic, the best cricketers will be athletes, weight lifters and body builders. But we can see that the best bowlers like Lee, Anderson and Steyn are not strong or big muscles.

[CG]

Regardless of what you say I cannot agree that Wasim Akram knows how to coach PACE. Very, very few coaches understand this least of all someone who bowled himself with an unusual action that was untaught. Before you can educate others you have to know how the apply that to another person. Wasim, a great bowler he was, cannot coach PACE. Secondly, as with batting, fielding, wicket-keeping...technique is the most important thing and the SKILL level of the player. To suggest that fitness is the most important part is madness. Fitness is a function of fast bowling and if you bowl enough you will be fit. You get skill from bowling not from the gym. If we follow your logic, the best cricketers will be athletes, weight lifters and body builders. But we can see that the best bowlers like Lee, Anderson and Steyn are not strong or big muscles.

True,At this level bowling coach job is to look after bowler tehniques and give his inputs in plan making,Trainer would handle the physical aspect.

[Trundler27]

Regardless of what you say I cannot agree that Wasim Akram knows how to coach PACE. Very' date= very few coaches understand this least of all someone who bowled himself with an unusual action that was untaught. Before you can educate others you have to know how the apply that to another person. Wasim, a great bowler he was, cannot coach PACE.

I disagree with you. Even though I'm not too fond of pak cricketers, Wasim post-retirement has become a very good mentor and coach. If you need any proof of his effectiveness, just look at what he has done with Shami Ahmed in a few months with KKR. That guy is one to watch out for. Plus, throughout the Aussie series the tv crew often showed the aussie bowlers talking to him (mitchell starc was a prominent one). He knows the nuances of pace bowling better than most 'experts' at the moment.

[MCcricket]

Bowling coach is a very specialized job, fitness, training required for bowling is not the hard part, the hard part is planning, grooming young pacers and understanding physiology, body motion, correct bowling actions, PONT SEEMS TO BE VERY GOOD AT THAT, similar to coaches of olympic javelin throwers it is not about strength alone, bowling is a complex body movement and requires someone who knows exactly that part and very few coaches do.TO ME CRAIG MC DERMOTT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE COACH I HAVE SEEN TO BRING THE ROOKIES WITH POTENTIAL TO SUCH A LEVEL.

[Texy]

So another aussie making sure one of his buddies/countryman gets a good paycheck and India obliges....what's new?