Crookbond Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 That'll be the primary concern of those who got affected first hand..For example Gujarat Muslims... If they've reposed faith on this guy for atleast 2 terms now' date= I think others might've to rethink their positions... Are they getting hyper too much for nothing? Are they the only upholders of Secularism? Those thousands of Muslims who've voted for this guy, are they not Secular? Personally, I think everyone in the country should be concerned (I use this word in the literal sense) about it. I once saw some words written in Marathi outside a cemetery which read Aaz Mala, Uhdya Tumhaala which translates to "Me today, You tomorrow". You may extrapolate them in the current scenario too. Apart from natural disasters and abject security failures, most problems for India in the last decade or so have come due to discrimination related to - caste, community or religion. IMHO, I don't want them to be repeated. That said, You must have valid reasons to repose your faith in Modi and mind you, that does not make you any less secular. A vote for Modi per se is not a Turing Test for secularism. IMO, I would be more than willing to vote for BJP (and even consider Modi for a position of a cabinet minister but not PM) if there is some sort of sensibility at the top ranks.
Crookbond Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 are you saying that if Modi somehow comes to power, there will be a risk of communal violence triggered by those who lost the elections? ps: The risk is there even otherwise NO - I do not expect a potential future PM to incite the nation (by words or deeds) on communal lines or favor any particular community. Before this gets ahead, let me categorically state that two wrongs do not make a right.
zubinpepsi Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Fair enough, DM... I myself have called Modi names.. All I'm saying is too much everything will tip the people (who are sitting on fence) to the other side... I can see now too much Modi bashing and 'secularism' might disgust Indians who are sitting on fence to say 'feck everything' and vote for BJP/Modi.. spot on.. i belong to that category.. sick of seeing these pseudo-secular garbage here..
Sachin=GOD Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Ajit Ranade @ajit_ranade Salience of Sen:"Modi is not my choice for PM" could've been just ignored as lone man's preference. But furore shows clout of Sen's opinion.
adi B Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 modi is as communal or secular as con party, so "modi is communal" alone is not a reason to not vote for BJP/NDA because the same applies like wise to congress
Crookbond Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 How dense and low can supporters can get! The picture is not even of Nandana Sen. :facepalm: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=405503262887433&set=a.401235083314251.1073741828.399330260171400&type=1&relevant_count=1
ravishingravi Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Fair enough, DM... I myself have called Modi names.. All I'm saying is too much everything will tip the people (who are sitting on fence) to the other side... I can see now too much Modi bashing and 'secularism' might disgust Indians who are sitting on fence to say 'feck everything' and vote for BJP/Modi.. I am one of those I would like to believe. And I know the numbers will increase by the day. Modi mania is a reaction.
ravishingravi Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 How dense and low can supporters can get! The picture is not even of Nandana Sen. :facepalm: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=405503262887433&set=a.401235083314251.1073741828.399330260171400&type=1&relevant_count=1 Disgraceful!!
Number Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 :hmmmm2: I think so, your avatar disappears when you are banned. He got on the nerves of some mod probably with is constant pinching. :haha:
adi B Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 even patto is banned i think..can any mod tell whats the duration of their ban and why they got banned? both were active members on this forum
Crookbond Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 I think so, your avatar disappears when you are banned. He got on the nerves of some mod probably with is constant pinching. :haha: even patto is banned i think..can any mod tell whats the duration of their ban and why they got banned? both were active members on this forum From what I understand, it shows as "banned" under your username IF you are banned on this forum. For example, Rocky Balboa is banned (that was just waiting to happen) - http://www.indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29765 Bulbul - http://indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29880 and PattoTheLegend - http://www.indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29275 do not seem to be banned, however. I may be wrong.
adi B Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 From what I understand' date=' it shows as "banned" under your username IF you are banned on this forum. For example, Rocky Balboa is banned (that was just waiting to happen) - [url']http://www.indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29765 Bulbul - http://indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29880 and PattoTheLegend - http://www.indiancricketfans.com/member.php?u=29275 do not seem to be banned, however. I may be wrong. yeah u might be correct but bans may vary from a certain duration to infinitely long..where is patto`s and bulbul`s av pic lol
CSK Fan Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Disgraceful!! Is that really BJP Gujarat who posted or some random person?
adi B Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 ^i dont think its via bjp gujarat,some some crass modi fangroup
Sachin=GOD Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Modi's Hindutva a double-edged sword, analysts warn LUCKNOW: Gujarat chief minister and BJP's campaign committee chairperson Narendra Modi's attempt to revive hardline Hindutva in UP for gains in the forthcoming Lok Sabha polls is a double-edged sword, which may end up doing more harm than good to the party, a section of analysts have warned. It may also lead to violence with rival parties adding fuel to fire, which would be dangerous for the country. According to leaders, the BJP is offering a mix of development, casteism and Hindutva. The emphasis is more on Hindutva because it kept the party 'alive' in most adverse circumstances. In 2012 assembly elections, BJP won 47 seats in UP, of which 25 had Muslim population above 20%. Similarly, in 2009, BJP won 10 Lok Sabha seats, of which eight were Muslim dominated. Also, in 2012, Modi campaigned only in Ayodhya and talked about development but party lost the seat it held since 1991. :hehe: "This shows that without Hindutva, BJP is nothing. Hence, Hindutva is to consolidate party's core vote and other issues including anti-incumbency against the state and central governments will bring surplus," they added. For this, Sangh Parivar is moving in a planned manner to create a Hindutva wave - On June 9, Modi is elevated. On June 12, VHP announces statewide campaign in August for Ram temple. On June 18, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat says in Meerut that Hindutva is the only solution for India. On June 28, a VHP leader arrested for Mathura blasts. On July 6, Modi's right hand man Amit Shah visits Ayodhya, vows to build Ram temple. And, on July 16, RSS chief formally approves Ram temple as an election issue. Petitions are also being filed claiming the right of Hindus on 'disputed places' where mosques were constructed during medieval period. The Samajwadi Party rule and withdrawal of cases against terror accused are also helping Sangh Parivar to push its agenda. Role of both Hindu and Muslim harliners is under scanner for the riots. History shows that communal polarization often takes place in elections after violence. The attempt is to create a situation similar to 90s when the BJP rose due to Ram Temple movement led by Lal Krisna Advani and charisma of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. However, after demolition of Babri mosque, the hardline appeal declined and caste factor has been dominating since then. However, hundreds died in communal violence across country in 90s. "Modi is projecting himself both as Atal (development) and Advani (hardline). He is wooing urban middle class and consolidating Sangh Parivar cadre disoriented after BJP led NDA government came to power by putting Hindutva issue at the back burner. But his action will create a strong reaction among the Muslims. Some lower Hindu castes also see RSS as an outfit dominated by upper castes and influential backward castes. In such a situation, Hindu votes will be divided and Muslim will vote en bloc to defeat the BJP," said political analyst Deepak Mishra. Observers also said that breaking caste with communal politics will be difficult for the BJP because the SP and the BSP will not give ground easily. BJP's stand on quota in government jobs and promotions issue has been shaky. Further, BJP in UP has no strong state leader like Vasundhara Raje in Rajasthan, Shivraj Singh Chouhan in Madhya Pradesh and Sushil Modi in Bihar. The infighting has made matter worse. A section of people also think that the Ram Temple issue will have little impact today as young voters (18-25 years), who are 40% of the electorate, were either not born or were below five years of age when Babri mosque was demolished in 1992. However, hate messages in social media show a different picture. "Also, the Hidutava has no answers for the problems faced by villagers and poor, 80% of the population," said political observer Gopal Krishna, describing BJP's move as 'Hindu appeasement'. He feared more violence in coming days because of dangerous politics played by all the parties including BJP, SP and Congress. "A lot will also depend on how opposition parties react. If opposition will take radical position like the one taken by BSP which demanded ban on RSS and VHP, it may end up playing in the hands of Modi. The Opposition will also avoid any situation which can lead to communal violence which can cause polarization," summed up JP Shukla, an analyst. Besides losing friends and potential post poll allies, he said there is also a threat of 'Hindutva' overshadowing 'development' plank, which may boomerang. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modis-Hindutva-a-double-edged-sword-analysts-warn/articleshow/21371376.cms
Khalpat Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 HILLARY: Sir 65 MP’s have written to you to maintain the current position of NO VISA to Modi. OBAMA: Why was he denied VISA earlier? HILLARY: For not being able to stop communal riots that led to the death of thousands of Muslims in 2002. OBAMA: and who denied him VISA? HILLARY: The gentleman who killed lakhs of Muslims in Iraq to find hypothetical weapons of mass destruction. OBAMA: I hope the Secular Indians are aware of this irony Hillary. HILLARY: What can I say Sir, in India Secularism lies in the eyes of the beholder!
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