The Narendra Modi thread

[urbestfriend]

Twitter is abuzz with a very high level assassination attempt on Modi that is about to happen. It says IB has informed home ministry and PM on this and vacations of all security personnel is canceled. One fella who works for BJP confirmed that the party had received a police circular which included preventive advise.

I am pretty sure this will be a fake news propagated by #namobrigade #namobharathi , #HDL #namochaiparty volunteers. They are creating all sorts of fake news from last many days and generating huge no of feeds. I wouldnt be surprised if this is one such attempts from them to garner some sympathy votes.

[urbestfriend]

Pick up any newspaper, switch on any TV channel, drive down any main street or tune into any FM channel and chances are that you will be bombarded with advertisements exhorting you to vote for the Bharatiya Janata Party and its prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi. A shopkeeper displays election themed snap-on mobile phone covers in Mumbai. Snap-on mobile phone covers featuring party symbols, photos and messages of political parties have flooded the market as entrepreneurs try to cash in on poll mania. (AFP Photo) The tab? Media buyers and sources close to the BJP’s campaign said the party could end up spending about Rs. 5,000 crore by May 12, when the last phase of polling takes place. Sam Balsara, chairman and managing director, Madison World, which is handling the BJP’s media planning, refused to say anything beyond “we are moving as per the approved plan”. But a veteran media planner, who is working closely with the BJP, told HT on condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media: “Planned spends on all media, including print, television, outdoor, internet and radio would be close to Rs. 4,500 crore. The party has set aside an additional Rs. 500 crore, which will be used, based on need, to beef up the campaign in critical constituencies and states in the last few days of campaigning.” “The strategy, apart from carpet bombing voters with BJP’s message, is to block out all other political parties across the print, television, online and offline media irrespective of cost,” said a media planner from Madison on condition of anonymity. The party has booked 15,000 hoardings across India for up to three months. The cost: From Rs. 2-3 lakh per hoarding per month in cheaper locations to as much as Rs. 20 lakh per hoarding per month in Mumbai’s Nariman Point. The total cost: Rs. 2,500 crore. In the print media, the BJP has bought the most prominent ad slots across national, regional and vernacular newspapers for 40 days. “We have chosen 50 top national and regional newspapers across India and plan to release about four to five ads everyday till the end of the election process,” said the planner. The budget: Rs. 500 crore. The advertisement budget for magazines is an additional Rs. 150 crore. In TV, the BJP has bought about 2,000 spots a day across Hindi, English and regional news, general entertainment and sports channels. A spot in most popular entertainment channels cost about Rs. 80,000 per 30 seconds. The budget: Rs. 800-1,000 crore. It spent another Rs. 150 crore during the T20 World Cup. The online and radio budget is about Rs. 35 crore. Asked to comment on its ad budget, a senior BJP leader said, “The expenditure would be about Rs. 700-750 crore.” “The BJP’s spending is at least four times that of the Congress,” said Santosh Sood, former COO, Rediffusion Y&R, a media buying agency.

Dont common people have rights to know where is this money coming from?

[oneANDone]

Dont common people have rights to know where is this money coming from?

i can only say you are asking wrong question at wrong place They will be more interested in who lives 4/5 bedroom house than 10000 crore scam.

[Crookbond]

Dont common people have rights to know where is this money coming from?

We need 100% electoral funding transparency - no two ways about it.

[ganeshran]

read your post ..again

I read it. To reiterate If you think casteist people or chaddis or RSS/BJP represent Hinduism, then it's your fault not mine. This is my last post in this conversation as discussing moderation publicly isn't allowed on ICF. You are free to report my posts or PM the admins (Sachinism, Outy, Ram, Ticz) or the owner (Ravi - username King) if you disagree with the moderation policies.

[ganeshran]

We need 100% electoral funding transparency - no two ways about it.

Actually political parties should be brought under RTI for all their administrative functions - funding, expenses , office bearers , organization structure etc. Everything except decision making because that can be argued to be a prerogative of the party. These are not private organizations and should be accountable and transparent to the public they claim to represent

[diga]

I read it. To reiterate If you think casteist people or chaddis or RSS/BJP represent Hinduism, then it's your fault not mine. .

All right wingers are chaddis & all the topis / hats are non-rightwingers according to your post

This is my last post in this conversation as discussing moderation publicly isn't allowed on ICF. You are free to report my posts or PM the admins (Sachinism, Outy, Ram, Ticz) or the owner (Ravi) if you disagree with the moderation policies.

I made a request.. did not ask you as a mod nor I reported your post. Why are you bringing this up?

[diga]

On April 10, 2014, the media reported that Narendra Modi has mentioned the name of his wife Jasodaben in the affidavit to be filed along with his nomination form for the Vadodara Parliamentary constituency. The very next day, Hindustan Times [12.4.2014] reported Rahul Gandhi as saying that it took the BJP’s prime minister nominee—“who talks about honour of womenâ€â€”many “elections†to admit that he was married. In Delhi, they talk about respecting women... but his wife’s name never found its way into the affidavit.†And Digvijaya Singh, one of the most loose cannons in national politics, even said that Modi should be booked for concealing in the past that he had married. Sections of visual and print media went to town with their views. But what shocks is the amazing illiteracy of these leaders, their advisers and sections of the media on the elementary rules of election law. It does not call for any great expertise to know that there was—and even now there is—no requirement in Indian electoral law that a husband, whether he is a voter or a candidate, must disclose his wife’s name. It is the other way round actually. It is the wife who, whether she is a voter or a candidate, must disclose her husband’s name. The regulations on disclosure of family relations of a voter or candidate are contained in Rule 4 of the Conduct of Election Rules and the Forms 2 Part I, Part II and Part III. The regulations stipulate that these forms be filed at the time of the nomination. The first form [Part I] is prescribed for a candidate who is set up by a recognised political party. This form may be filed by the candidate himself or by his proposer. If the form is filed by the proposer, the form requires the proposer to give candidate’s name, his father’s/mother’s name or husband’s name [obviously if the candidate is a married woman]. If the form is filled by the candidate himself or herself, the candidate is required to enter his or her particulars in the electoral roll and no particulars of father or mother or husband is needed to be mentioned. Why? Because the electoral roll gives the names of the voter-candidate’s father/mother/husband. The Hand Book for Electoral Registration Officers issued by the Election Commission of India 2012 states that in the electoral roll “Father’s name should be entered in the case of men and unmarried women and the husband’s name in the case of married women and widows.†Nowhere is a wife’s name needed to be mentioned along with husband’s. And even where it requires that the names of the father or husband must be mentioned, the Hand Book says that that “is only for purposes of identification and need not be insisted on in all casesâ€. It means that if the name of the husband is not mentioned along with that of the voter wife, it is not fatal to the voter’s or the candidate’s rights. The Hand Book goes on to say that “where matriarchal system prevails, the mother’s name should be enteredâ€. If a person eligible to vote is not registered as a voter he or she can register himself/herself by filing a form [Form no 6]. See what the man or woman seeking registration as voter is required to disclose. In case of unmarried female applicant, name of Father/Mother is to be mentioned. In case of married female applicant, name of Husband is to be mentioned. [see the guidelines issued by the Election Commission for filling up application in Form 6]. If a married man seeks to register himself as voter, he is not required to disclose his marital status or name of his wife. Likewise, where a registered voter needs to correct his electoral roll, he or she can file a form [Form 8] for correction. In such a case again the regulations require the voter to disclose, in case of unmarried female applicant, name of Father/Mother. In case of married female applicant, name of Husband. QED: The regulations on electoral roll clearly stipulate the mentioning of the name of the husband of the voter wife, but not the name of the wife of the voter husband. Is there no requirement at all then for a candidate who is married to mention his wife’s name? Yes there is no direct requirement. But indirectly yes—from 30.9.2013. Here is the story of how this indirect requirement evolved, not by any legal enactment but by the judgements of the Supreme Court. Following a judgement of the Supreme Court in 2003 the Election Commission mandated that all candidates must file an affidavit in the prescribed form [Form 26] along with their nomination disclosing amongst other things his/her assets and liabilities and those of his/her spouse and dependents. The candidate, if he was married, was required to furnish the details of the PAN and Income assessment status of the wife and income returned by her in the tax returns. But for almost a decade, this affidavit was regarded as information to the public and leaving any part of the form blank or with a hyphen did not lead to rejecting the candidate’s nomination. Most candidates, particularly males, used to leave the details of their wife blank unless the spouse had a tax PAN or taxable income or furnished tax. This was the regulation effective till September 2013. That was why when Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh filed nomination for Rajya Sabha from Gauhati on May 10, 2013, he did not mention his wife’s name against “spouse†and just mentioned “nil†under the column PAN and N/A [Not Applicable] under the columns tax returns filed and income disclosed. Why? Because his wife neither had a PAN nor filed returns or disclosed any taxable income. The understanding of the law at that time was that a male candidate was required to fill the details of his wife only if she had had any tax record or taxable income or assets. It is clear that when Narendra Modi filed his nomination on 29.11.2012 his advisers ought to have advised him precisely like how Dr Singh’s advisers would have had advised the PM five months earlier. Therefore, like Dr Singh, Modi did not mention his wife’s name and also filled the column regarding his wife’s tax particulars with a hyphen. Neither Modi nor Singh in their affidavit denied having married. They only indicated by the manner of their filling the form that there was no tax record or income or assessment of their respective wives. By not mentioning his wife Gursharan Kaur’s name Dr Singh would not have meant any disrespect to her. How could it be then that Modi had disrespected his wife by not mentioning her name? But things changed on 30.9.2013. By its judgement dated 13.9.2013, the Supreme Court made the prescribed particulars in the affidavit mandatory for accepting the nomination. The court ruled that no column in it should be left blank. Consequently, on 30.9.2013, the Election Commission noting the Supreme Court, notified that the candidates are required to fill up all columns therein and not leave any column in the affidavit [form 26] blank. It does not need a seer to say that when Modi had left the columns blank in the affidavits filed before 30.9.2013 he did not violate any rule. But even now the requirement is not that Modi should mention the name of his wife. He is only required to give the details of her tax particulars, if he had them. In fact he has mentioned his wife’s name—which is not a requirement. So, when Rahul Gandhi says that despite his professed respect for women Modi’s wife’s name was never found in his affidavits, he knows neither the rule that existed when Modi filed his nomination earlier on 29.11.2012 nor the new rule notified from 30.9.2013. Rahul seems to think that the Election Commission wants the candidate-husband to mention his wife’s name to show his respect to her. He does not know that the commission only wants to know whether the candidate’s wife has a tax record or taxable income, not whether he respects her or not. More. That media allowed Rahul to get away with his illiterate remark without questioning or exposing him shows its ignorance at the least or complicity at worst. Is it just Dance of Democracy? Or Dance of Democracy in ignorance? S Gurumurthy is a well-known commentator on political and economic issues

[Crookbond]

Actually political parties should be brought under RTI for all their administrative functions - funding' date=' expenses , office bearers , organization structure etc. [b']Everything except decision making because that can be argued to be a prerogative of the party. These are not private organizations and should be accountable and transparent to the public they claim to represent

That was the only argument given by the political parties opposing RTI viz. "we are open but you will ask us why did you give tickets to X". The only problem with RTI is that is more like "opt in" i.e. you need to apply with a procedure to request information. IMO, such information should be asked by the political parties itself to disclose publicly - a citizen could still ask but the information should be available (online/offline) without a formal application procedure.

[asterix]

I think Congress will do some thing drastic, in a last ditch attempt to stop Modi coming to power... Picture abhi baaki hain Doston...

[ganeshran]

That was the only argument given by the political parties opposing RTI viz. "we are open but you will ask us why did you give tickets to X". The only problem with RTI is that is more like "opt in" i.e. you need to apply with a procedure to request information. IMO' date=' such information should be asked by the political parties itself to disclose publicly - a citizen could still ask but the information should be available (online/offline) without a formal application procedure.[/quote'] Ya most common information like donor list , expenses should be available publicly both on the internet as well as on request from the party office. My reason for inclusion of RTI is for non standard queries which might not be answered on the website. But yeah, ticket distribution, selection of party members and any arbitrary decisions like these should be kept outside the purview of RTI. It is ironic though that the Congress which harps about its achievements in bringing about RTI (after trying it's best to make the law toothless) is not taking any steps to include itself in the same act.

[hhunaeh]

When AAP candidates are getting beaten up all over the country, the reaction of Congress and BJP supporters is to joke they are doing for publicity and funds. So why should anyone treat this "threat" to modi any differently. I'd say he wants sympathy to increase votes for BJP. Dramabazz modiji :cantstop:

[Sachin=GOD]

When AAP candidates are getting beaten up all over the country' date= the reaction of Congress and BJP supporters is to joke they are doing for publicity and funds. So why should anyone treat this "threat" to modi any differently. I'd say he wants sympathy to increase votes for BJP. Dramabazz modiji :cantstop:

thats because every time Kejriwal is slapped/ink is thrown, the donation for that day goes up 3/4/5 times as compared to average donation per day.

[hhunaeh]

thats because every time Kejriwal is slapped/ink is thrown' date=' the donation for that day goes up 3/4/5 times as compared to average donation per day.[/quote'] same for modi but instead of money it is for those final few votes to swing a few constituencies. BJP getting sympathy votes will be the obvious result of any attempt. So it has to be BJP's doing. What's different now? :dontknow:

[Sachin=GOD]

same for modi but instead of money it is for those final few votes to swing a few constituencies. BJP getting sympathy votes will be the obvious result of any attempt. So it has to be BJP's doing. What's different now? :dontknow:

its very well known that there have been various threats to Modi for a long time and they have only increased in the last few months so I don't think this will be taken lightly. On the other hand in case of AAP we have seen at least 2-3 times that the people slapping Kejri or throwing ink have turned out to be disgruntled AAP workers - that is why people or other parties don't take these incidents seriously.

[Khalpat]

^^ If that is the case then lets see who is winner in the strategy. I lol at some of the posters who think this is an ideal world and people will be doing nothing to get the highest post of largest democracy of this world and they will get PM post served in platter just because they are good. My maid is also honest, she returned my wife's lost golden ring while dusting which we almost assumed that we are never going to get it back. What should I do? Make her the PM of country. This is no child's play. Never in the history of any country has the fight for SATTA has been all goody good. Nehru did the same, Indira too and also Vajpayee and Narsimha Rao. Ultimately who gets the 272 is the winner. History never remembers the leader of opposition.

[Sachin=GOD]

^^ If that is the case then lets see who is winner in the strategy. I lol at some of the posters who think this is an ideal world and people will be doing nothing to get the highest post of largest democracy of this world and they will get PM post served in platter just because they are good. My maid is also honest, she returned my wife's lost golden ring while dusting which we almost assumed that we are never going to get it back. What should I do? Make her the PM of country. This is no child's play. Never in the history of any country has the fight for SATTA has been all goody good. Nehru did the same, Indira too and also Vajpayee and Narsimha Rao. Ultimately who gets the 272 is the winner. History never remembers the leader of opposition.

I'm the last person you need to tell that to... Of course I know that Modi will do ANYTHING to win this election but in case of a security threat, especially when he has already had many credible threats and there has even been a bomb blast in his rally at Patna, I wouldn't take any such news lightly.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

bomb can take your life, not a slap or ink, something which Congress uses to gain sympathy

[Crookbond]

thats because every time Kejriwal is slapped/ink is thrown' date=' the donation for that day goes up 3/4/5 times as compared to average donation per day.[/quote'] Every time the BJP/Congress made a statement about AAP's foreign funding in the lead up to Delhi elections - the same thing happened. I hope you don't conclude that AAP forced BJP/Congress to rake up those statements!

[Crookbond]

^^ If that is the case then lets see who is winner in the strategy. I lol at some of the posters who think this is an ideal world and people will be doing nothing to get the highest post of largest democracy of this world and they will get PM post served in platter just because they are good. My maid is also honest, she returned my wife's lost golden ring while dusting which we almost assumed that we are never going to get it back. What should I do? Make her the PM of country. This is no child's play. Never in the history of any country has the fight for SATTA has been all goody good. Nehru did the same, Indira too and also Vajpayee and Narsimha Rao. Ultimately who gets the 272 is the winner. History never remembers the leader of opposition.

Now - What did Vajpayee do?!