The Narendra Modi thread

[Sachin=GOD]

It's not as simple as you think. With the current state of affairs' date= and the infighting within the main opposition(BJP), the Congress would certainly want this to continue and would rather want the tried and failed approach of BJP to stay. But, with Modi in the picture, it creates that uncertainty and unpredictable together with prospect of unity. The Congress is also very much vary of it. And the Gujarat riots is on the line of being oversold. Firstly, the Gujarat riots is being false fully presented as a religious issue which imo is wrong. Of course, certain communities will continue to believe in that religious aspect but there are definitely growing elements whom are now voicing their discomfort on how it is getting ridiculous. Of course, the media is biased but Congress cannot go overboard.

with Modi in the picture, all anti BJP parties will get the perfect excuse to rally around the Cong. Also, polarization of Muslim votes will definitely happen and it will favor Cong. Till date Modi has failed everytime he has campaigned outside Gujarat so its no guarantee that he will succeed this time if he's made the PM candidate. All in all, I think it will be advantage Cong if he's the PM candidate. Its not oversold. If Modi is the PM candidate then the media will play a very important role influencing the urban voters and the Cong has got a large number of very influential news channels.papers etc in its favor so it can easily create a negative image and make the Gujarat Riots one of the most important issues in this elections and divert attention from all the scams. Why do you think Cong is giving so much attention to Modi these days? Its only because they know that if they give him so much attention, it will make him the candidate irrespective of any formal announcement and thats what they want.

[ravishingravi]

with Modi in the picture, all anti BJP parties will get the perfect excuse to rally around the Cong. Also, polarization of Muslim votes will definitely happen and it will favor Cong. Till date Modi has failed everytime he has campaigned outside Gujarat so its no guarantee that he will succeed this time if he's made the PM candidate. All in all, I think it will be advantage Cong if he's the PM candidate. Its not oversold. If Modi is the PM candidate then the media will play a very important role influencing the urban voters and the Cong has got a large number of very influential news channels.papers etc in its favor so it can easily create a negative image and make the Gujarat Riots one of the most important issues in this elections and divert attention from all the scams. Why do you think Cong is giving so much attention to Modi these days? Its only because they know that if they give him so much attention, it will make him the candidate irrespective of any formal announcement and thats what they want.

Agree with this. Not time for Modi yet.

[The Outsider]

The issue is actually when will BJP make the announcement for PM public. That's some strategic thinking. Also wonder why there is no pressure for Congress to do likewise, who is their PM? The media really does not make it a balanced field.

If you have an iota of knowledge about Indian politics you would know that it was BJP which started this whole declaration of PM before elections thing. The Congress stand has always been that it would be decided after the elections.

[The Outsider]

And the Gujarat riots is on the line of being oversold. Firstly, the Gujarat riots is being false fully presented as a religious issue which imo is wrong. Of course, certain communities will continue to believe in that religious aspect but there are definitely growing elements whom are now voicing their discomfort on how it is getting ridiculous. Of course, the media is biased but Congress cannot go overboard.

Jesus fecking Christ - so the Gujarat riots were not religious!! :hysterical:

[Khalpat]

The major religious riots in India, incidentally all happened during Congress reign: 1969 Ahmedabad riots: Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims erupted in Ahmedabad in 1969. Atleast 1000 people had died during this riot. At the time there was a dispute over the leadership of the Congress party between Indira Gandhi and Morarji Desai. There were suggestions that violence was deliberately engineered to discredit the chief minister of Gujarat who was a supporter of Mr Desai. They were followed by riots in Uttar Pradesh with periodic violence erupting elsewhere. Hindu-Muslim riots broke out in Jamshedpur and Aligarh in 1979 and in Moradabad in 1980. 1984 sikh riots: The assassination of prime minister Indira Gandhi on October 31, 1984 sparked riots that lasted 15 days. Several inquiry panels later, eight people were convicted. The politicians and police got away. The mayhem began at about 6 p.m. shortly after the death of Indira Gandhi was announced at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Delhi. The news set the tone for a communal massacre that India hadn't quite witnessed since Independence. Chaos reigned on the streets and locality after locality in the capital echoed with the shrieks of the dying and burning people. A fortnight of carnage saw over 2,700 dead and many thousands injured. "President Zail Singh wanted the army to act, but it didn't. The then prime minister and home minister did not take his calls," recalls Tarlochan Singh, who was Zail Singh's press secretary. The worst affected areas were the ones that had elected Congressmen HKL Bhagat and Sajjan Kumar to the Lok Sabha. Yet the police could do nothing to lay their hands on them. 1987 Merrut riots: The riots began on May 21, 1987 and continued for two months. The state police conducted a probe but all cases were later withdrawn by the state. The armed personnel accused went scot free. As with most riots, there are conflicting versions on what set this one off: burning of mills or a reaction to the carnage by the Provincial Armed Constabulary (PAC) personnel. A majority claim it was the armed police. The PAC men wanted to arrest a man from the Hashimpura area but were stopped by a mob. When the uniformed men tried to force their way in, the crowd became violent. The PAC called in reinforcements and retaliated instantly. About 40 bodies were later found floating in the canal near Maliana village. This ignited communal passions and Meerut was soon on fire. Within hours, over 350 shops in the city and three petrol pumps had been burnt. In the following two months, 350 people were killed, among them prominent residents including a doctor from Hapur and an army captain. Rationality took the backseat as one set of residents instigated massacres against another. It took several weeks for a 13,000-strong army detachment to restore peace in Meerut. The Uttar Pradesh government, under pressure from the Rajiv Gandhi government, withdrew hundreds of cases from district courts in Meerut. As a result, there were no convictions. The PAC, having terrorised a large section of Meerut, was the biggest gainer-and justice the biggest loser. 1989 Bhagalpur riots: On October 23, 1989 began the month-long riots triggered by police atrocities. Of the 864 cases filed by the police, 535 were closed and most accused acquitted for lack of evidence. Following police atrocities in 1989, the silk city of Bhagalpur saw massacre and arson in which over 1,000 people died, nearly 50,000 were displaced and 11,500 houses torched. In the carnage, an army major herded 100 men, women and children to a house at Chanderi village and posted the local police for their protection. The next morning, however, he found the house empty. Four days later, 61 mutilated bodies were found in a nearby pond, among them a live Malika Bano whose right leg had been chopped off. Bano narrated a story that continues to haunt Bhagalpur. On the night of October 27, a frenzied mob took over the house from the police, slaughtered the people hiding inside and tossed their bodies in the pond. Of the 864 cases registered by the Bihar Police, chargesheets were filed in only 329 cases. In 100 of these, the accused were acquitted for want of evidence. Chanderi was no different. Of the 38 accused, only 16 were convicted and sentenced to rigorous life terms, while 22 were acquitted. The Babri masjid demolition set off riots between December 1992 and January 1993. The Sri Krishna panel examined 502 witnesses, but no police officer has yet been punished. 1992 Mumbai riots: Hours after the demolition of the Babri masjid, Mumbai erupted. For five days in December 1992 and then again for a fortnight in January, the city witnessed unprecedented riots. As many as 1,788 people were killed and property worth crores of rupees destroyed. On January 25, 1993, the Maharashtra government set up the Sri Krishna Commission of Inquiry, which recorded the evidence of 502 witnesses and examined 2,903 exhibits. But three years later, on January 23, 1996, the BJP-Shiv Sena government wound up the commission, only to reinstate it later under public pressure. The commission finally submitted its report on February 16, 1998. Of the 17 police officers who were formally charged in mid-2001, not one has been arrested so far. Even departmental action has not been initiated against them. In April this year, former city police commissioner RD Tyagi and eight serving police officers accused of killing nine people, were discharged by a Mumbai sessions court source: http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/NM1/Chronology-of-communal-violence-in-India/Article1-8038.aspx

[1983-2011]

Modi fans want to see him in Delhi, why dont BJP make him the CM candidate for the Delhi Legislative Assembly:hmmm: and shivraj chouhan can be the PM candidate

[ravishingravi]

The major religious riots in India, incidentally all happened during Congress reign: 1969 Ahmedabad riots: Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims erupted in Ahmedabad in 1969. Atleast 1000 people had died during this riot. At the time there was a dispute over the leadership of the Congress party between Indira Gandhi and Morarji Desai. There were suggestions that violence was deliberately engineered to discredit the chief minister of Gujarat who was a supporter of Mr Desai. They were followed by riots in Uttar Pradesh with periodic violence erupting elsewhere. Hindu-Muslim riots broke out in Jamshedpur and Aligarh in 1979 and in Moradabad in 1980. 1984 sikh riots: The assassination of prime minister Indira Gandhi on October 31, 1984 sparked riots that lasted 15 days. Several inquiry panels later, eight people were convicted. The politicians and police got away. The mayhem began at about 6 p.m. shortly after the death of Indira Gandhi was announced at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Delhi. The news set the tone for a communal massacre that India hadn't quite witnessed since Independence. Chaos reigned on the streets and locality after locality in the capital echoed with the shrieks of the dying and burning people. A fortnight of carnage saw over 2,700 dead and many thousands injured. "President Zail Singh wanted the army to act, but it didn't. The then prime minister and home minister did not take his calls," recalls Tarlochan Singh, who was Zail Singh's press secretary. The worst affected areas were the ones that had elected Congressmen HKL Bhagat and Sajjan Kumar to the Lok Sabha. Yet the police could do nothing to lay their hands on them. 1987 Merrut riots: The riots began on May 21, 1987 and continued for two months. The state police conducted a probe but all cases were later withdrawn by the state. The armed personnel accused went scot free. As with most riots, there are conflicting versions on what set this one off: burning of mills or a reaction to the carnage by the Provincial Armed Constabulary (PAC) personnel. A majority claim it was the armed police. The PAC men wanted to arrest a man from the Hashimpura area but were stopped by a mob. When the uniformed men tried to force their way in, the crowd became violent. The PAC called in reinforcements and retaliated instantly. About 40 bodies were later found floating in the canal near Maliana village. This ignited communal passions and Meerut was soon on fire. Within hours, over 350 shops in the city and three petrol pumps had been burnt. In the following two months, 350 people were killed, among them prominent residents including a doctor from Hapur and an army captain. Rationality took the backseat as one set of residents instigated massacres against another. It took several weeks for a 13,000-strong army detachment to restore peace in Meerut. The Uttar Pradesh government, under pressure from the Rajiv Gandhi government, withdrew hundreds of cases from district courts in Meerut. As a result, there were no convictions. The PAC, having terrorised a large section of Meerut, was the biggest gainer-and justice the biggest loser. 1989 Bhagalpur riots: On October 23, 1989 began the month-long riots triggered by police atrocities. Of the 864 cases filed by the police, 535 were closed and most accused acquitted for lack of evidence. Following police atrocities in 1989, the silk city of Bhagalpur saw massacre and arson in which over 1,000 people died, nearly 50,000 were displaced and 11,500 houses torched. In the carnage, an army major herded 100 men, women and children to a house at Chanderi village and posted the local police for their protection. The next morning, however, he found the house empty. Four days later, 61 mutilated bodies were found in a nearby pond, among them a live Malika Bano whose right leg had been chopped off. Bano narrated a story that continues to haunt Bhagalpur. On the night of October 27, a frenzied mob took over the house from the police, slaughtered the people hiding inside and tossed their bodies in the pond. Of the 864 cases registered by the Bihar Police, chargesheets were filed in only 329 cases. In 100 of these, the accused were acquitted for want of evidence. Chanderi was no different. Of the 38 accused, only 16 were convicted and sentenced to rigorous life terms, while 22 were acquitted. The Babri masjid demolition set off riots between December 1992 and January 1993. The Sri Krishna panel examined 502 witnesses, but no police officer has yet been punished. 1992 Mumbai riots: Hours after the demolition of the Babri masjid, Mumbai erupted. For five days in December 1992 and then again for a fortnight in January, the city witnessed unprecedented riots. As many as 1,788 people were killed and property worth crores of rupees destroyed. On January 25, 1993, the Maharashtra government set up the Sri Krishna Commission of Inquiry, which recorded the evidence of 502 witnesses and examined 2,903 exhibits. But three years later, on January 23, 1996, the BJP-Shiv Sena government wound up the commission, only to reinstate it later under public pressure. The commission finally submitted its report on February 16, 1998. Of the 17 police officers who were formally charged in mid-2001, not one has been arrested so far. Even departmental action has not been initiated against them. In April this year, former city police commissioner RD Tyagi and eight serving police officers accused of killing nine people, were discharged by a Mumbai sessions court source: http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/NM1/Chronology-of-communal-violence-in-India/Article1-8038.aspx

Not fair. You cant compare them with genocidal maniac.

[FischerTal]

Not fair. You cant compare them with genocidal maniac.

didnt expect that from you

[ravishingravi]

didnt expect that from you

Maybe I should have added "sarcasm" after that

[FischerTal]

Maybe I should have added "sarcasm" after that

:cantstop: continue on with your business

[ganeshran]

didnt expect that from you

He looked the other way when thousands were being butchered. Regardless of whether there were riots before in India, it is true.

[ravishingravi]

He looked the other way when thousands were being butchered. Regardless of whether there were riots before in India' date=' it is true.[/quote'] If true, he should be publically executed.

[zumi]

If true' date=' he should be publically executed.[/quote'] it's too late now. I m sure everyone now is aware of the following famous line describing Modi's rise: “Shivling mein bichhu baitha hai. Na usko haath se utaar sakte ho, na usko joota maar sakte ho.†A scorpion is sitting on the Shivling, the holy phallus of Lord Shiva. It can neither be removed by hand nor killed with a shoe. right after the riots there was a great opportunity to nail modi for the riots, but the lacklustre indian judiciary system and simultaneously Congress really not thinking much of modi back then lost the opportunity. And now it is obvious why Supreme Court and Congress will never go all out to prosecute Modi and find him guilty, finding Modi guilty will only hold up a mirror of hypocrisy to all parties across Indian involved in communal riots. for example finding Modi guilty means congress can't roll out bull sh!t Rajiv Gandhi ads about him bringing computers to India. Sad reality of Indian politics, too many skeletons in every parties' cupboards.

[ganeshran]

If true' date=' he should be publically executed.[/quote'] Even if one is totally biased towards Modi and BJP, he still stands guilty of criminal negligence in doing very little to prevent the riots. A more plausible scenario is that Modi deliberately looked the other way to strengthen his own position in the state and party. And a decade later, the strategy seems to have worked wonders for him at the state level.

[someone]

Jesus fecking Christ - so the Gujarat riots were not religious!! :hysterical:

Gujarat riots were not anti-Muslim riots. That's something which has to be clarified completely. It was an anti-Hindu-Muslim riots. Hindus were also affected and should not left out. Of course, through clever presentation by Congress and its media, it was made into a whole different matter and turned into a Modi bashing Muslims issue.

[someone]

with Modi in the picture' date=' all anti BJP parties will get the perfect excuse to rally around the Cong. Also, polarization of Muslim votes will definitely happen and it will favor Cong. Till date Modi has failed everytime he has campaigned outside Gujarat so its no guarantee that he will succeed this time if he's made the PM candidate. All in all, I think it will be advantage Cong if he's the PM candidate.[/quote'] It is without Modi currently and yet it is already advantage Congress. With Modi, things can get unpredictable. You talk about polarization of votes, but it can also bring unity of votes. He is a popular leader of India and deserves to be tried. Going with the tried and failed approach of Advani, will make no desired effect for BJP. Like you said, there is no guarantee, and so wrong to assume anything.

[someone]

Even if one is totally biased towards Modi and BJP, he still stands guilty of criminal negligence in doing very little to prevent the riots. A more plausible scenario is that Modi deliberately looked the other way to strengthen his own position in the state and party.

Silly post. Is it Prevent, Correct, Control - you first need to make your mind up. I would suggest you to read, a must read into Gujarat riots. http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1685 http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1688 A very refreshing read on what exactly happened and how facts were manipulated. Like

Let me clarify at the outset, the issue is not Narendra Modi. The real issue is the sinister distortion of political discourse in India by the Congress, by the Left and a range of NGOs claiming to be human rights activists but actually serving partisan interests of select political parties. Both Modi and BJP are being used as proverbial straw men to permanently polarize Indian polity on caste and religious lines with a view to keeping certain communities as captive vote banks. The Congress and Left have nothing concrete to offer to either Muslims or other marginalized groups they claim to have special fondness for. Their track record of governance is worse than dismal. Their main agenda is loot of public money and resources. They have calculated that the only way they can hold power is to convince people by hook or crook that there is no alternative to the Congress led UPA and that the BJP will exterminate religious minorities.

[ganeshran]

Silly post. Is it Prevent, Correct, Control - you first need to make your mind up. I would suggest you to read, a must read into Gujarat riots. http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1685 http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1688 A very refreshing read on what exactly happened and how facts were manipulated. Like

You are the one being silly and naive. Especially when you make idiotic statements like Gujrat riots were not anti muslim in nature. 794 Muslims were killed in the riots along with 254 hindus. Muslims clearly bore the brunt of the riots. The failure of the Modi government is in the fact that he did not do anything to prevent the mass killings of both Muslims and Hindus.

[someone]

You are the one being silly and naive. Especially when you make idiotic statements like Gujrat riots were not anti muslim in nature. 794 Muslims were killed in the riots along with 254 hindus. Muslims clearly bore the brunt of the riots. The failure of the Modi government is in the fact that he did not do anything to prevent the mass killings of both Muslims and Hindus.

:giggle: So killing Hindus does not classify as anti Hindus nature. Not surprising given how little anti-Hindu incidents are reported by the media. Both were involved and don't try to blame it on one community. Do yourself a favor, read some materials as in those links and thus get some facts instead of believing the presented facts. Teesta Setalvad, ring any bells?

[ganeshran]

:giggle: So killing Hindus does not classify as anti Hindus nature. Not surprising given how little anti-Hindu incidents are reported by the media. Both were involved and don't try to blame it on one community. Do yourself a favor, read some materials as in those links and thus get some facts instead of believing the presented facts. Teesta Setalvad, ring any bells?

The facts are simple despite how many strawmen you bring up 1) Muslims comprise 10% of Gujrat's population 2) 800 muslims and 250 Hindus were butchered 3) Muslims bore the brunt of the riots and suffered far more than Hindus did 4) Modi failed to contain killings of both Hindus and Muslims So it was either an abject failure on the part of the Modi's government to prevent the mass murder that was going on, or Modi knew that polarization would help his cause both in the party and state politics and deliberately looked away.