Mandeep Singh & Unmukt Chand should be blooded in the ODI setup

[Ultimate_Game]

Mandeep @ 20 is already a better players than Dhawan and Vijay put together . His technique is better than any other Indian youngster ' date=' better than Rohit , Rahane , Thiwary , Raina , Pujara etc . I would only pick Virat ahead of him for the test team , though spending a season or 2 in Domestic cant relly do any harm to him .[/quote'] I wouldn't call his technique better than Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Tiwary and even Raina just yet. Playing at intl level is not about technique or how good one looks playing a shot. It's more about putting an innings together consistently. Attractive 20s & 30s are not of much use and by that account even Imran Nazir has a great technique. Mandeep has to learn how to be consistent and learn to play big innings at domestic level. He shouldn't get into the Indian team before he does that.

[jusarrived]

mandeep had good enough technique for odis thing is no one has perfect technique not even kohli or pujara just play well within ur limitations and u will do fine

I would pick a few other players ahead of him for ODI's . Hes more in GG & Virat mould . Unless these two are missing , i see no reason to pick him . Pujara's technique isnt that great . Everything is relative , Dravids techni9ques isnt perfect either . Mandeep is up there with the best .

[Old guy]

I wouldn't call his technique better than Pujara and rahane just yet. Playing at intl level is not about technique or how good one looks playing a shot. It's more about putting an innings together consistently. Attractive 20s & 30s are not of much use and by that account even Imran Nazir has a great technique. Mandeep has to learn how to be consistent and learn to play big innings at domestic level. He shouldn't get into the Indian team before he does that.

yep... but he will end up with better career then tiwary :winky: thts what good base can help u with his competition is with rahane i think ..from whati saw he will be bale to handle fast bowlers much better then tiwary and to some extent even rohit (in odis ) havent seen him play in first class matches so dont know right now only certain thing is pujara succeeding in tests he will do well others i dont know

[jusarrived]

He looks good but I feel that's big exaggeration. :omg:

He will be our best bat in 3-5 years , subject to hes given a run of 6-8 matches at some point .

[Ultimate_Game]

yep... but he will end up with better career then tiwary :winky: thts what good base can help u with his competition is with rahane i think ..from whati saw he will be bale to handle fast bowlers much better then tiwary and to some extent even rohit (in odis ) havent seen him play in first class matches so dont know right now only certain thing is pujara succeeding in tests he will do well others i dont know

He may go on to do great things but right now after 25 List A games he averages 35 with 0 100s. For a top order batsman these are not ood numbers. He has to perform at domestic level before he can get into the Indian team. Indian team should not be a place where batsmen, or bowlers for that matter, come to learn how to build long innings or to learn how to bowl consistently. These skills should be built over time in domestic and A cricket. I expect Chand and Mandeep to be in the Indian team sometime later, maybe one or both of them will be in the scheme of things for the WC as well, but at this point they are not there yet. But IMO Mandeep would be a better bet than Rahane. Mandeep is a naturally aggressive batsman in the mould of Yuvraj and should do well but he still needs at least 1 or 2 domestic seasons under his belt and should be a regular in the A team. One option is for these players to be played against the likes of B'desh, Zim and NZ when we play odi series against these sides. I would rest all the established players and then have the likes of Rahane, Pujara, Mandeep, Tiwary, Chand, Rohit etc. play the series. No point playing our established players in odis against these sides.

[Old guy]

He may go on to do great things but right now after 25 List A games he averages 35 with 0 100s. For a top order batsman these are not ood numbers. He has to perform at domestic level before he can get into the Indian team. Indian team should not be a place where batsmen, or bowlers for that matter, come to learn how to build long innings or to learn how to bowl consistently. These skills should be built over time in domestic and A cricket. I expect Chand and Mandeep to be in the Indian team sometime later, maybe one or both of them will be in the scheme of things for the WC as well, but at this point they are not there yet. But IMO Mandeep would be a better bet than Rahane. Mandeep is a naturally aggressive batsman in the mould of Yuvraj and should do well but he still needs at least 1 or 2 domestic seasons under his belt and should be a regular in the A team. One option is for these players to be played against the likes of B'desh, Zim and NZ when we play odi series against these sides. I would rest all the established players and then have the likes of Rahane, Pujara, Mandeep, Tiwary, Chand, Rohit etc. play the series. No point playing our established players in odis against these sides.

trust me on this rahane is at diff level form mandeep and chand ..class apart he is definately better then mandeep havent seen chand play properly so dont know and please dont think he cant play shots he can play enough of them.. got only one chance and was looking good give him proper run and our openers problem would be over for next world cup what wrong has he done until now (for odis) scored runs for india check.. scored runs in a tour (in odis he was our best bat by mile ) check scored runs in ipl and hsowed he can play shots check technically he is 2x better then gambhir ;)

[Ultimate_Game]

trust me on this rahane is at diff level form mandeep and chand ..class apart he is definately better then mandeephavent seen chand play properly so dont know and please dont think he cant play shots he can play enough of them.. got only one chance and was looking good give him proper run and our openers problem would be over for next world cup what wrong has he done until now (for odis) scored runs for india check.. scored runs in a tour (in odis he was our best bat by mile ) check scored runs in ipl and hsowed he can play shots check technically he is 2x better then gambhir ;)

In shorter formats I have my doubts, in longer format yes. Somehow Rahane thows his wkt cheaply far too often. I expected him to be like Cook, i.e. score heavily once he gets in but he doesn't know how to score consistently in odis, and his List A stats says the same. He should get chances at the top of the order for India but IMO he's more a Test prospect than a shorter format one.

[Old guy]

In shorter formats I have my doubts' date=' in longer format yes. Somehow Rahane thows his wkt cheaply far too often. I expected him to be like Cook, i.e. score heavily once he gets in but he doesn't know how to score consistently in odis, and his List A stats says the same. He should get chances at the top of the order for India but IMO he's more a Test prospect than a shorter format one.[/quote'] yep .. but he almost socred a 100 against england at home did well even abroad made those pretty 40-50 so it there was improvement next series in west indies got like 2 70 + scores in 3 matches where every one failed (a tour ) if it was me who selected team he would hav played ahead of sehwag in odis lol cos sehwag is not tht gr8 in odis and fails too often even at home and in australia he was super flop

[Ultimate_Game]

yep .. but he almost socred a 100 against england at home did well even abroad made those pretty 40-50 so it there was improvement next series in west indies got like 2 70 + scores in 3 matches where every one failed (a tour ) if it was me who selected team he would hav played ahead of sehwag in odis lol cos sehwag is not tht gr8 in odis and fails too often even at home and in australia he was super flop

Sehwag is important for us in the shorter format as we need one player who can go bonkers at the start and kick-start the innings. You can't have Rahane, Gambhir & Kohli as your top 3 as you need one dasher at the top to lift the run-rate. One of the reasons India flopped in the last 2 World T20s was we didn't have Sehwag at the top who could take the bowlers apart and give a good start to our innings. Another minus against Rahane is that he struggles to pick up RR even after being set. I mean look at Kohli. Once he's set he can accelerate. With Rahane if he doesn't have a quick start he can't score that quickly and pick up his RR. IMO this is one of the reasons Rahane is not able to play long innings. He either has to go for shots early coz he knows he can't compensate for his slower start later on, or he perishes trying to accelerate later which he's not good at.

[Old guy]

Sehwag is important for us in the shorter format as we need one player who can go bonkers at the start and kick-start the innings. You can't have Rahane, Gambhir & Kohli as your top 3 as you need one dasher at the top to lift the run-rate. One of the reasons India flopped in the last 2 World T20s was we didn't have Sehwag at the top who could take the bowlers apart and give a good start to our innings. Another minus against Rahane is that he struggles to pick up RR even after being set. I mean look at Kohli. Once he's set he can accelerate. With Rahane if he doesn't have a quick start he can't score that quickly and pick up his RR. IMO this is one of the reasons Rahane is not able to play long innings. He either has to go for shots early coz he knows he can't compensate for his slower start later on, or he perishes trying to accelerate later which he's not good at.

i dont get how u came to this conclusion that he cant pick run rate picked fine in ipl got us of to flyers in england did ya watch those odis ? also a little reality check sehwag does not gets us any runs at all ..forget flyers :) and bigger reality check..only these boring players kohli, gambhir and dhoni who was tuk tuking most of time succeeded in cb series and ya game me example of t20 while talking abt sehwag jsut shows ya how useless he has been and maybe it was team plan tht rahane will play till end :dontknow: always looked ot have enough shots to me..i think he has enough shots for odis there is no sane reason why u wont play him in odis after sachin retires ad sehwag is dropped for good

[Ultimate_Game]

i dont get how u came to this conclusion that he cant pick run rate picked fine in ipl got us of to flyers in england did ya watch those odis ? also a little reality check sehwag does not gets us any runs at all ..forget flyers :) and bigger reality check..only these boring players kohli, gambhir and dhoni who was tuk tuking most of time succeeded in cb series and ya game me example of t20 while talking abt sehwag jsut shows ya how useless he has been and maybe it was team plan tht rahane will play till end :dontknow: always looked ot have enough shots to me..i think he has enough shots for odis there is no sane reason why u wont play him in odis after sachin retires ad sehwag is dropped for good

IPL is cr@p as even limited batsmen ike Murali Vijay who can only hoick between wide long on and mid wkt are able to score 100s. I do recall Rahane struggling to get the ball off square in IPL against Morkel whenhe was set at the death. Rahane doesn't know how to pick up the RR and it was clear to see the same when you watch any of his innings where he did get in. At least that's the impression I got.

[Old guy]

I would pick a few other players ahead of him for ODI's . Hes more in GG & Virat mould . Unless these two are missing , i see no reason to pick him . Pujara's technique isnt that great . Everything is relative , Dravids techni9ques isnt perfect either . Mandeep is up there with the best .

pujara knows how to score runs with hsi technique and its limitations so its good enough

[Old guy]

IPL is cr@p as even limited batsmen ike Murali Vijay who can only hoick between wide long on and mid wkt are able to score 100s. I do recall Rahane struggling to get the ball off square in IPL against Morkel whenhe was set at the death. Rahane doesn't know how to pick up the RR and it was clear to see the same when you watch any of his innings where he did get in. At least that's the impression I got.

he just played till 40 overs once nad there was no need to hit! how can u judge him like that? :cantstop:

[Old guy]

and abt morkel even tendulkar struggles against him now is he jsut accumulator some one like sehwag wont even survive against him like is said have some prespective i havent seen kohli smack morkel too :dontknow:

[Ultimate_Game]

and abt morkel even tendulkar struggles against him now is he jsut accumulator some one like sehwag wont even survive against him like is said have some prespective i havent seen kohli smack morkel too :dontknow:

It's not about smacking a bowler but to make it count when set. Kohli starts slowly, is around 50 off 60 something deliveries and when he's done is better at run a ball without taking risks. This is something I have seen missing in Rahane - inability to increase the tempo without taking undue risk which a good batsman should be able to do. As for Kohli and Morkel, if Kohli is well set and batting at the death, I would back him to score off against morkel.

[Old guy]

It's not about smacking a bowler but to make it count when set. Kohli starts slowly, is around 50 off 60 something deliveries and when he's done is better at run a ball without taking risks. This is something I have seen missing in Rahane - inability to increase the tempo without taking undue risk which a good batsman should be able to do. As for Kohli and Morkel, if Kohli is well set and batting at the death, I would back him to score off against morkel.

thats a big if buddy :) ur comparing pro with new comer u just wrote whole summary abt rahane wht he cant do where he struggles by watching him play one inning and u just disqualified all his ipl success saying bowling was crap then how can u select nohit for tests brah i think in ranji bowling sucks too .. does nt it ? im jsut saying he has shown he can hit jsut like rohit showed he can score runs in longer format :winky: i remember that 90 run odd inning there was no need to hit and he did not hit and when pressure was one he hit few beautiful drives over cover in england he was getting us of to flyers .. he handled pace of finn quite well and if morkel is bowling well man there is no man in world who can dominate him lets get that thing clear so he struggled against morkel big deal but he smacked every one else even that struggle isnt that bad considering he is opener and finishing is not his thing

[rkt.india]

Sehwag is important for us in the shorter format as we need one player who can go bonkers at the start and kick-start the innings. You can't have Rahane, Gambhir & Kohli as your top 3 as you need one dasher at the top to lift the run-rate. One of the reasons India flopped in the last 2 World T20s was we didn't have Sehwag at the top who could take the bowlers apart and give a good start to our innings. .

Sehwag scores 1 out of 10 matches which makes our team highly dependent on another opener and #3 which will never be good for the team if your second opener scores rarely. he may score quickly but whats the benefit when he is an Eid ka chand in terms of runs. I will be happy to have another opener like Gambhir in ODIs who is more consistent and even without being too flashy still can score at 80 plus SR.

[Old guy]

Sehwag scores 1 out of 10 matches which makes our team highly dependent on another opener and #3 which will never be good for the team if your second opener scores rarely. he may score quickly but whats the benefit when he is an Eid ka chand in terms of runs. I will be happy to have another opener like Gambhir in ODIs who is more consistent and even without being too flashy still can score at 80 plus SR.

yep :) sehwag was never gr8 in odis hope people realize this

[Old guy]

and please.. just in some corner of ur mind keep this thought that next world cup is in australia we will love to have a solid opener then.. but w/o practice and playing in odis now we wont have one!

[Ultimate_Game]

Sehwag scores 1 out of 10 matches which makes our team highly dependent on another opener and #3 which will never be good for the team if your second opener scores rarely. he may score quickly but whats the benefit when he is an Eid ka chand in terms of runs. I will be happy to have another opener like Gambhir in ODIs who is more consistent and even without being too flashy still can score at 80 plus SR.

Sehwag may make a big score once every series but Sehwag's quick 20s and 30s are more than useful. Take his WC semi final knock against Pakis. He only ended up scoring 30 odd but that innings made the difference. His quick 20s & 30s kick-start the innings and give us an impetus which our middle order batsmen are able to cash in on. In T20s this start would be even more useful. We need to find a similarly aggresiive opener at the top coz those days of 5 overs and the score of 9/0 is no longer an option.