Crookbond Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 That is an oft stated argument but does not hold water. In my living memory I have not seen an effort to push Hindi down anybody's throat. There is this hysteria amongst certain segments of India that Hindi is pushed down, but when/where/how? That is never spelled out. Secondly, encouraging sounds great in theory but how does it work in reality? You seriously expect State Bank of Madurai to "encourage" its workers to conduct daily business in Hindi, and see no resistance?? Half the population of India speak Hindi, the other half speaks 10 different language and they can not converse with each other. There has to be something wrong right there, if you can see it. By the way, I have mentioned this earlier too. I wouldnt care if instead of Hindi Bengali becomes the lingua-franca, but ffs get off English when you have 10s of your own language. Frankly, I don't understand your point Lurker. First you took Hindi as an example, next you tell me "encouragement" does not work. So, if encouragement does not work you will resort to force? Can you tell me in one line what is your point? Do you mean - An Indian language should be used to conduct business rather than English. Is that your gripe?
Lurker Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Frankly' date=' I don't understand your point Lurker. First you took Hindi as an example, next you tell me "encouragement" does not work. So, if encouragement does not work you will resort to force? Can you tell me in one line what is your point? Do you mean - An Indian language should be used to conduct business rather than English. Is that your gripe?[/quote'] Nah, don't worry about it mate. There are better things to do on a weekend than discussing what to me is obvious, and what to you is unclear. :winky:
Laaloo Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Abbe Laloo, Yaar tum apne Mausi ko bahut badnaam kiye huye ho:giggle: Aur tum saale Gujju log kya Masi-masi karte ho? Its mausi, mau-si samjha lol. Waise masi by definition is ma-si, as in ma ke jaisi, maa ki tarah. Saale mausi ko badnaam kartna band karo. I do appreciate your admittance of the whole thing, including coming overseas. Not many people are upfront like that. Aur Hindi to yehan bhi itne bolne waale hain, thora thora roz sheekho. I hereby pledge to fill your brain with Bihari gaaliyon ka shabdkosh. :hmmm: Thik hai jee. Lekin meri mausi aur meri ma mein bahoot farak hai :yes: Mujhe meri mausi bahoot pasand nahi hai :cantstop: Mein bahot chetaavni se tumhare posts padhta hoon. Pata nahi kab tu bhojpuri mein gaaliya dene ki shuru ho jaata hai :P
Crookbond Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Nah' date=' don't worry about it mate. There are better things to do on a weekend than discussing what to me is obvious, and what to you is unclear. :winky:[/quote'] Well, interesting to know you think I or you can decide on behalf of 1.5 billion people out there as to which language to speak. I hope we don't come to the point where we say - FFS We have 100s of our local clothes/food/medicines/electronics let us not use the others. :wink2:
Lurker Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Thik hai jee. Lekin meri mausi aur meri ma mein bahoot farak hai :yes: Mujhe meri mausi bahoot pasand nahi hai :cantstop: Seriously? I wouldn't have guessed. :cantstop: Mein bahot chetaavni se tumhare posts padhta hoon. Pata nahi kab tu bhojpuri mein gaaliya dene ki shuru ho jaata hai :P lol. Abbe Bhojpuri to meri 10th language hai bhai. Dekho far as Hindi goes here it goes. The English sentence is I am going. Bihar style - Hum jaa rahe hain(Hum par gaur karein, akele nahin jaate bhai poora team peeche chalta hai... :winky: ). UP/MP style - Main jaa reha hoon (kya bhikari type language hai) Jamshedpur/Ranchi style - Hum jaa reha hoon na be. (my college style. Love it. Jab larkiyan aise bolti thi kasam se man karta tha chakoo nikaal ke khoon kar doon) Bombai style - Apun chala bhidu (tapori style) Since I have lived/studied/worked at these places I can speak/understand. It also enriched the vocab and lingo for you. This maybe something you realize some day. Inspite of your affection for your Mausi, all the experience would have enriched your personality and vocabulary and you may look back and send your Masi a bunch of roses.:winky::winky:
akshayxyz Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Thik hai jee. Lekin meri mausi aur meri ma mein bahoot farak hai :yes: Mujhe meri mausi bahoot pasand nahi hai :cantstop: Mein bahot chetaavni se tumhare posts padhta hoon. Pata nahi kab tu bhojpuri mein gaaliya dene ki shuru ho jaata hai :P 'satarkta'/'chauksi' is the right word here.
Lurker Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Well' date= interesting to know you think I or you can decide on behalf of 1.5 billion people out there as to which language to speak. I hope we don't come to the point where we say - FFS We have 100s of our local clothes/food/medicines/electronics let us not use the others. :wink2: That's one reason I do not engage as much these days in linguistic discussions. It just gets to sheer jingoism. Which politician in the past 25 years has ever tried to force Hindi down the throat of non-Hindi speakers? I will take politician of any party. But you got to give me some names and not some baseless apprehension. I say past 25 since most of us would have some recollection of this time frame. With regards to me, I am for a common language in India. What do you see so wrong with that? I am not asking for Tamil to be vanquished, or Telugu for that matter. Heck make Telugu the common language for all I care, but atleast reach out for an internal solution rather looking for an external.....as we always do.
surajmal Posted September 22, 2012 Posted September 22, 2012 Sanskrit is the only solution. Other than Tamils I don't see any opposition to such a move. Hell Ambedkar even tried after Independence but couldn't get enough Yes Votes in Lok Sabha :facepalm:
The Outsider Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Sanskrit is the only solution. Other than Tamils I don't see any opposition to such a move. Hell Ambedkar even tried after Independence but couldn't get enough Yes Votes in Lok Sabha :facepalm: Yeah, let's implement a language which even at it's peak did not attract anyone but Brahmins to it!:hysterical:
surajmal Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Yeah' date=' let's implement a language which even at it's peak did not attract anyone but Brahmins to it!:hysterical:[/quote'] We shouldn't talk about what we don't know but foot in mouth is a habit of yours... http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262393
The Outsider Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 ^ And scientists were from the Shudras I suppose?
Yoda-esque Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 That is an oft stated argument but does not hold water. In my living memory I have not seen an effort to push Hindi down anybody's throat. There is this hysteria amongst certain segments of India that Hindi is pushed down, but when/where/how? That is never spelled out. Secondly, encouraging sounds great in theory but how does it work in reality? You seriously expect State Bank of Madurai to "encourage" its workers to conduct daily business in Hindi, and see no resistance?? Half the population of India speak Hindi, the other half speaks 10 different language and they can not converse with each other. There has to be something wrong right there, if you can see it. By the way, I have mentioned this earlier too. I wouldnt care if instead of Hindi Bengali becomes the lingua-franca, but ffs get off English when you have 10s of your own language. Half of India speaks the same language because most of these languages have derived their base from Proto-indo-European languages. Dravidian languages are completely different and hence more difficult to adapt to either way. However , with time all the languages have devolved with increasing usage of loan words Probably a 100 years down the line people here would be speaking a hybrid version of all major languages of the subcontinent.
surajmal Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 ^ And scientists were from the Shudras I suppose? Knowing you, distinguishing between Varna system pre Islamic period and post Islamic period would be futile. So lets talk about the brass tacks. Lets suppose Scientists too only consisted of Brahmins (and that Shudras were not allowed to rise up). Were the lawyers, administrators etc too were "strictly" Brahmins? How would the Blacksmith come to know about the new inventions dealing with Iron, if science is strictly the domain of a "Brahmin"? And if he can't read and write, is it his problem or the Brahmin's? What happened when Hindi became widespread? (I bet you don't even know how Hindi came about) What brought about this magnanimity that Brahmins allowed it to spread?
Nova Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Sanskrit is the only solution. Other than Tamils I don't see any opposition to such a move. Hell Ambedkar even tried after Independence but couldn't get enough Yes Votes in Lok Sabha :facepalm: How many people know Sanskrit? Going by your logic, how about replacing modern English with something like Latin in the UN. :D There is one village in India, where the entire population still speaks Sanskrit today. They won't object to your suggestion, for sure. :)
surajmal Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Half of India speaks the same language because most of these languages have derived their base from Proto-indo-European languages. Dravidian languages are completely different and hence more difficult to adapt to either way. However , with time all the languages have devolved with increasing usage of loan words Probably a 100 years down the line people here would be speaking a hybrid version of all major languages of the subcontinent. Sanskrit.
The Outsider Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Knowing you, distinguishing between Varna system pre Islamic period and post Islamic period would be futile. So lets talk about the brass tacks. Lets suppose Scientists too only consisted of Brahmins (and that Shudras were not allowed to rise up). Were the lawyers, administrators etc too were "strictly" Brahmins? How would the Blacksmith come to know about the new inventions dealing with Iron, if science is strictly the domain of a "Brahmin"? And if he can't read and write, is it his problem or the Brahmin's? What happened when Hindi became widespread? (I bet you don't even know how Hindi came about) What brought about this magnanimity that Brahmins allowed it to spread? I have no intention of getting into a historical discussion with someone with a jaundiced person like you about history who laps up whatever RSS and VHP have to say rather than actual academics. So, in the interest of giving you the benefit of the doubt what's your grand plan to make Sanskrit the language of India given the present realities?
surajmal Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 How many people know Sanskrit? Going by your logic, how about replacing modern English with something like Latin in the UN. :D There is one village in India, where the entire population still speaks Sanskrit today. They won't object to your suggestion, for sure. :) It took 150 years for Sanskrit to become completely irrelevant - Happened because under Macaulay, Sanskrit was pushed aside and English brought in as the primary language of instruction. Sanskrit is the obvious choice (other than English) because it is the root of most languages of the subcontinent. So no single linguistic group would object if Sanskrit was made the universal language of instruction (i.e. no Hindi vs. Bengali or Hindi vs Marathi or Hindi vs Gujarati). It will probably take 50-100 years (for the language to be spoken widespread in India) but if the goal is to have an indigenous national language that you go with Sanskrit. If English is your cup of tea, so be it. I just think some people are attached to their country a bit more than others.
surajmal Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 I have no intention of getting into a historical discussion with someone with a jaundiced person like you about history who laps up whatever RSS and VHP have to say rather than actual academics. So, in the interest of giving you the benefit of the doubt what's your grand plan to make Sanskrit the language of India given the present realities? Irony... Smell it? As for the latter, see my response to tdigi.
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