Sarkar Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 No but all national leaders do have guts and travel around the country' date=' not like this 'Samrat' issueing fatwa from the safety of his home. What do you mean by 'stood up'? Even you too 'stand up' for Hindus in the saftey of a forum..[/quote'] How many leaders of India supported Hindus who cared about Hindus like Thackeray Narendra Modi and some Bjp netas i cant recall many leaders from other parties doing that because they are all concerned about vote bank politics. Yes maun mohan singh has lots of guts thats why he is always on shopping without security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hindu Hriday Samrat if he was the prime minister of India he would have done much better job than other weak leaders of India.Are all Indian muslims saints ? What about Pakistanis inciting hatred 24/7 against India is that acceptable? Thackeray was the real patriot of India he had guts and determination he was not like leaders who relied on vote bank politics. So you proved your patrotism is not for India or Indians. Its only for hindus. Dont claim you love India please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkar Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 So you proved your patrotism is not for India or Indians. Its only for hindus. Dont claim you love India please Ofcourse i love India and Indians but i will always be a Hindu despite what ever region i may come from i m patriotic and i will always remember India was a Hindu country thousands of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Whatever my personal thoughts about Thackeray as man maybe or his party' date=' it is a fact that during 92 riots, in my section of the city, it was shiv saniks who protected the Hindu contingent.[/quote'] In my section of the city, they razed the Muslims and burnt my friend's house (and almost the family) even though they were not Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ofcourse i love India and Indians but i will always be a Hindu despite what ever region i may come from i m patriotic and i will always remember India was a Hindu country thousands of years ago. We are not now - we are a secular state; remember that sometimes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ofcourse i love India and Indians but i will always be a Hindu despite what ever region i may come from i m patriotic and i will always remember India was a Hindu country thousands of years ago. Sorry, that India is dead and buried. I know that India is a romantic notion among some NRIs when they read their history and try to identify their roots. The country that is India is made up of all major religions, of over 30 states, of over 30 languages. No Indian will ever put one of these above the others. Because they know that the day that happens, is the day we break into a million pieces. What does a jovial non-veg eating sikh from Punjab have on common with a Tamil vegeterian brahmin? Not religion, not language, not a common culture. What ties them together? Only the pride and knowledge that they are Indian first. The day their religion or their language or their state becoes more important to them, India wont be one country anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ofcourse i love India and Indians but i will always be a Hindu despite what ever region i may come from i m patriotic and i will always remember India was a Hindu country thousands of years ago. We are not now - we are a secular state; remember that sometimes as well. :clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 We are not now - we are a secular state; remember that sometimes as well. It is called Ostrich approach. We have long long way to go to be secular state. Maybe understanding secularism might be a good way to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Bal Thackeray refuses to die. Claims Yamraj is Bihari :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkar Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 We are not now - we are a secular state; remember that sometimes as well. In the disguise of secularism they have made different rules for different religions in India dont get me start on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkar Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Sorry' date=' that India is dead and buried. I know that [b']India is a romantic notion among some NRIs when they read their history and try to identify their roots. The country that is India is made up of all major religions, of over 30 states, of over 30 languages. No Indian will ever put one of these above the others. Because they know that the day that happens, is the day we break into a million pieces. What does a jovial non-veg eating sikh from Punjab have on common with a Tamil vegeterian brahmin? Not religion, not language, not a common culture. What ties them together? Only the pride and knowledge that they are Indian first. The day their religion or their language or their state becoes more important to them, India wont be one country anymore I was brought up in India for 12 years i dont need your assurance on history i have studied indian geography politics and economics in school because social studies was my favourite subject.Didnt sikhs chose their religion over nation by driving many hindus of punjab out of India so dont give me bs statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 In the disguise of secularism they have made different rules for different religions in India dont you get me start on that. I will not get you "start" on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It is called Ostrich approach. We have long long way to go to be secular state. Maybe understanding secularism might be a good way to start. OK fair enough - We are "trying to be a secular state". Oh since you mention about Ostriches - fantasizing about a 500 year old India is like "history porn". PS - Porny2013 you are catching on mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It is called Ostrich approach. We have long long way to go to be secular state. Maybe understanding secularism might be a good way to start. In the disguise of secularism they have made different rules for different religions in India dont get me start on that. I have heard similar complaints many times in many different guises The rednecks in America feel that Blacks get preferential treatment even though according to the rednecks the blacks are amongst the lowest and most uneducated of society with many involved in criminal practise and not contributing much to society The men all over the world feel that mordern women get preferential treatment and are treated with kid gloves Europeans believe that their country bends over backward to accomodate the migrants And many Indian hindus believe that other religions, particularly Islam is treated with kid gloves But thats the nature of the beast. Any country is only as strong as its weakest link. Whether you like it or not, blacks are an integral part of America. Muslims are an integral part of India. Unless they can feel safe, secure and assimilated, we wont progress as a nation. Same is true for dalits and other lower caste. Centuries of neglect and distress doesnt evaporate with a couple of schemes. Now you can argue whether hollow reservations and treatment with kid glove is the way to go. But this point, whether a minority should be given special treatment over the majority is easily answered. Yes, they should. And thats how any civilized country treats its poor minority. I see nothing wrong with this and no conspiracy against the hindus in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DomainK Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have heard similar complains many times in many different guises The rednecks in America feel that Blacks get preferential treatment even though they (the blacks) are amongst the lowest and most uneducated of society with many involved in criminal practise The men all over the world feel that women get preferential treatment and are treated with kid gloves Europeans believe that their country bends over backward to accomodate the migrants And many Indians believe that other religions, particularly Islam is treated with kid gloves But thats the nature of the beast. Any country is only as strong as its weakest link. Whether you like it or not, blacks are an integral part of America. Muslims are an integral part of India. Unless they can feel safe, secure and assimilated, we wont progress as a nation. Same is true for dalits and other lower caste. Centuries of neglect and distress doesnt evaporate with a couple of schemes. Now you can argue whether hollow reservations and treatment with kid glove is the way to go. But this point, whether a minority should be treated with kid gloves over the majority is easily answered. yes, they should. And thats how any civilized country treats its poor minority. I see nothing wrong with this and no conspiracy against the hindus in this. Another gem of a post from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have heard similar complains many times in many different guises The rednecks in America feel that Blacks get preferential treatment even though they (the blacks) are amongst the lowest and most uneducated of society with many involved in criminal practise The men all over the world feel that women get preferential treatment and are treated with kid gloves Europeans believe that their country bends over backward to accomodate the migrants And many Indians believe that other religions, particularly Islam is treated with kid gloves But thats the nature of the beast. Any country is only as strong as its weakest link. Whether you like it or not, blacks are an integral part of America. Muslims are an integral part of India. Unless they can feel safe, secure and assimilated, we wont progress as a nation. Same is true for dalits and other lower caste. Centuries of neglect and distress doesnt evaporate with a couple of schemes. Now you can argue whether hollow reservations and treatment with kid glove is the way to go. But this point, whether a minority should be treated with kid gloves over the majority is easily answered. yes, they should. And thats how any civilized country treats its poor minority. I see nothing wrong with this and no conspiracy against the hindus in this. Really,? What about the poor among the majority? Don't they need any handouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkar Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have heard similar complains many times in many different guises The rednecks in America feel that Blacks get preferential treatment even though they (the blacks) are amongst the lowest and most uneducated of society with many involved in criminal practise The men all over the world feel that women get preferential treatment and are treated with kid gloves Europeans believe that their country bends over backward to accomodate the migrants And many Indians believe that other religions, particularly Islam is treated with kid gloves But thats the nature of the beast. Any country is only as strong as its weakest link. Whether you like it or not, blacks are an integral part of America. Muslims are an integral part of India. Unless they can feel safe, secure and assimilated, we wont progress as a nation. Same is true for dalits and other lower caste. Centuries of neglect and distress doesnt evaporate with a couple of schemes. Now you can argue whether hollow reservations and treatment with kid glove is the way to go. But this point, whether a minority should be treated with kid gloves over the majority is easily answered. yes, they should. And thats how any civilized country treats its poor minority. I see nothing wrong with this and no conspiracy against the hindus in this. They are not seperate they are part of Hindu society .Pseudo seculars like you wont see any conspiracies and another thing secularism is a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Really' date='? What about the poor among the majority? Don't they need any handouts?[/quote'] Well, the idea, rightly or wrongly, is that the majority can take care of itself. When people are kind, when they are charitable, they are charitable to their own kind. So the majority, by the very fact that they are in majority, will look after its own interest. Its the minority, which needs the goverment's intervention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Sorry' date= that India is dead and buried. I know that India is a romantic notion among some NRIs when they read their history and try to identify their roots. The country that is India is made up of all major religions, of over 30 states, of over 30 languages. No Indian will ever put one of these above the others. Because they know that the day that happens, is the day we break into a million pieces. What does a jovial non-veg eating sikh from Punjab have on common with a Tamil vegeterian brahmin? Not religion, not language, not a common culture. What ties them together? Only the pride and knowledge that they are Indian first. The day their religion or their language or their state becoes more important to them, India wont be one country anymore What are you talking about dude?? That notion - India is for Hindus - is not romantic at all. It is narrow minded bigoted mindset which every Indian, regardless of religious leaning should denounce. Most Hindus do not care about Hindus. In my opinion that is greatness of Hinduism. We are not raised with a ghetto/mob mentality. I am happy to chat with a Muslim from Kerela because he is Indian, why should I have more affection for a Hindu from Surinam? Is that not what we allege Muslims of doing anyway? Kolkata Muslims supporting Syrians for no reason? I do not think you meant to make that comment, but it did catch my attention. Overall your heart is in the right place though. :--D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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