Israel planning to invade Gaza

[CSK Fan]

Pls see the chronology of events. This was entirely provoked by Israel and timing the conflict quite conveniently after US elections and before Israeli elections.

According to the reports I read, Israel escalated only after around 400 rockets were fired on them

[gs]

Perfect! Israel on the other hand says - "Hey! I don't care about Hamas or any other organization we do not want rockets to be fired on our side. It's your problem to control them." Phew! Anyone remember Taliban? The more I think about it the more it seems like Indo-Pak (with escalated weapons). :nervous:

Except the Israelis dont accept the non state actors b.ullsh.t theory that land of the pure can peddle.

[ravishingravi]

According to the reports I read' date=' Israel escalated only after around 400 rockets were fired on them[/quote'] No, they broke the ceasefire first and killed an innocent 12 yr old playing soccer.

[ravishingravi]

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[ravishingravi]

No of course it wont' date=' sadly Hamas are not totally in control of Gaza and thats where their fault lies. Even if they do maintain peace, or try to, Islamic Jihad and the likes do keep firing rockets over, Hamas turn a blind eye knowing that these guys are popular with the people[/quote'] UQib6e41N7Y&feature=plcp Propaganda video, perhaps. But

[surajmal]

So many bleeding hearts here...

[someone]

Middle East really can never any peace. Like Kashmir, Israel is not the real issue/problem. It's rather only a symptom of a much bigger cause/problem. Israel definitely is a country which is doing right and really many other countries should learn from it on how to deal with noisy neighbors.

[mhr123]

Middle East really can never any peace. Like Kashmir, Israel is not the real issue/problem. It's rather only a symptom of a much bigger cause/problem. Israel definitely is a country which is doing right and really many other countries should learn from it on how to deal with noisy neighbors.

I dunno which world are u living... Palestine gave them a place to live .. Israel occupied it ... now Palestine is less than 10% and 90% already gone .. now they want to wipe Palestine out of the Map... If other countries had a right to fight the invaders then Palestine also have the right to do it.. Now u call them as terrorist then all those who fought to clear there countries from intruders are also terrorist.

[ravishingravi]

I dunno which world are u living... Palestine gave them a place to live .. Israel occupied it ... now Palestine is less than 10% and 90% already gone .. now they want to wipe Palestine out of the Map... If other countries had a right to fight the invaders then Palestine also have the right to do it.. Now u call them as terrorist then all those who fought to clear there countries from intruders are also terrorist.

In 1992, during Oslo agreement, there were 100,000 illegal settlements in disputed region by Israelis. That has increased to 600,000 today.

[mhr123]

In 1992' date=' during Oslo agreement, there were 100,000 illegal settlements in disputed region by Israelis. That has increased to 600,000 today.[/quote'] well they invited all the Jews across the world giving them good perks / standard of living / jobs etc ...

[ravishingravi]

well they invited all the Jews across the world giving them good perks / standard of living / jobs etc ...

Yeah and got them settled in disputed region. Wonderful!

[EnterTheVoid]

Yeah and got them settled in disputed region. Wonderful!

Thats not quite correct Ravi. Those settlers that live in the outposts in the West Bank claim that they have a "god given right" to populate the land, their settlements are illegal even under Israeli law; The mentality of those jokers is no different to the Nazi's who claimed that Aryans were the superior race. Its also interesting to note these extremists have the support of evangelical christians and bible thumpers in America's bible belt ---> http://www.patrobertson.com/Speeches/IsraelLauder.asp All in all, you have extremist Christians in American supporting extremist Jews in West Bank who are colonising land that was supposed to be set aside for a Palestinian state.

[Crookbond]

Thats not quite correct Ravi. Those settlers that live in the outposts in the West Bank claim that they have a "god given right" to populate the land, their settlements are illegal even under Israeli law; The mentality of those jokers is no different to the Nazi's who claimed that Aryans were the superior race. Its also interesting to note these extremists have the support of evangelical christians and bible thumpers in America's bible belt ---> http://www.patrobertson.com/Speeches/IsraelLauder.asp All in all, you have extremist Christians in American supporting extremist Jews in West Bank who are colonising land that was supposed to be set aside for a Palestinian state.

The highlighted is the actual problem - there is "No GOD given absolute right", the sooner people will understand the better it is. You can't use that as an argument - that's BS. If you want to believe in that fine, but do not force it on others.

[Sooda]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/israel-s-right-to-self-defense-a-tremendous-propaganda-victory.premium-1.478913#.UKpiiLikFFw.twitter One of Israel's tremendous propaganda victories is that it has been accepted as a victim of the Palestinians, both in the view of the Israeli public and that of Western leaders who hasten to speak of Israel's right to defend itself. The propaganda is so effective that only the Palestinian rockets at the south of Israel, and now at Tel Aviv, are counted in the round of hostilities. The rockets, or damage to the holiest of holies - a military jeep - are always seen as a starting point, and together with the terrifying siren, as if taken from a World War II movie, build the meta-narrative of the victim entitled to defend itself. Every day, indeed every moment, this meta-narrative allows Israel to add another link to the chain of dispossession of a nation as old as the state itself, while at the same time managing to hide the fact that one continuous thread runs from the 1948 refusal to allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homes, the early 1950s expulsion of Bedouin from the Negev desert, the current expulsion of Bedouin from the Jordan Valley, ranches for Jews in the Negev, discrimination in budgets in Israel, and shooting at Gazan fishermen to keep them from earning a respectable living. Millions of such continuous threads link 1948 to the present. They are the fabric of life for the Palestinian nation, as divided as it may be in isolated pockets. They are the fabric of life of Palestinian citizens of Israel and of those who live in their lands of exile. But these threads are not the entire fabric of life. The resistance to the threads that we, the Israelis, endlessly spin is also part of the fabric of life for Palestinians. The word resistance has been debased to mean the very masculine competition of whose missile will explode furthest away (a competition among Palestinian organizations, and between them and the established Israeli army ). It does not invalidate the fact that, in essence, resistance to the injustice inherent in Israeli domination is an inseparable part of life for each and every Palestinian. The foreign and international development ministries in the West and in the United States knowingly collaborate with the mendacious representation of Israel as victim, if only because every week they receive reports from their representatives in the West Bank and Gaza Strip about yet another link of dispossession and oppression that Israel has added to the chain, or because their own taxpayers' money make up for some of the humanitarian disasters, large and small, inflicted by Israel. On November 8, two days before the attack on the holiest of holies - soldiers in a military jeep - they could have read about IDF soldiers killing 13-year old Ahmad Abu Daqqa, who was playing soccer with his friends in the village of Abassan, east of Khan Yunis. The soldiers were 1.5 kilometers from the kids, inside the Gaza Strip area, busy with "exposing" (a whitewashed word for destroying ) agricultural land. So why shouldn't the count of aggression start with a child? On November 10, after the attack on the jeep, the IDF killed another four civilians, aged 16 to 19. Wallowing in ignorance Leaders of the West could have known that, before the IDF's exercise last week in the Jordan Valley, dozens of Bedouin families were told to evacuate their homes. How extraordinary that IDF training always occurs where Bedouin live, not Israeli settlers, and that it constitutes a reason to expel them. Another reason. Another expulsion. The leaders of the West could also have known, based on the full-color, chrome-paper reports their countries finance, that since the beginning of 2012, Israel has destroyed 569 Palestinian buildings and structures, including wells and 178 residences. In all, 1,014 people were affected by those demolitions. We haven't heard masses of Tel Aviv and southern residents warning the stewards of the state about the ramifications of this destruction on the civilian population. The Israelis cheerfully wallow in their ignorance. This information and other similar facts are available and accessible to anyone who's really interested. But Israelis choose not to know. This willed ignorance is a foundation stone in the building of Israel's sense of victimization. But ignorance is ignorance: The fact that Israelis don't want to know what they are doing as an occupying power doesn't negate their deeds or Palestinian resistance. In 1993, the Palestinians gave Israel a gift, a golden opportunity to cut the threads tying 1948 to the present, to abandon the country's characteristics of colonial dispossession, and together plan a different future for the two peoples in the region. The Palestinian generation that accepted the Oslo Accords (full of traps laid by smart Israeli lawyers ) is the generation that got to know a multifaceted, even normal, Israeli society because the 1967 occupation allowed it (for the purpose of supplying cheap labor ) almost full freedom of movement. The Palestinians agreed to a settlement based on their minimum demands. One of the pillars of these minimum demands was treating the Gaza Strip and West Bank as a single territorial entity. But once the implementation of Oslo started, Israel systematically did everything it could to make the Gaza Strip into a separate, disconnected entity, as part of Israel's insistence on maintaining the threads of 1948 and extending them. Since the rise of Hamas, it has done everything to back up the impression Hamas prefers - that the Gaza Strip is a separate political entity where there is no occupation. If that is so, why not look at things as follows: As a separate political entity, any incursion into Gazan territory is an infringement of its sovereignty, and Israel does this all the time. Does the government of the state of Gaza not have the right to respond, to deter, or at least the masculine right - a twin of the IDF's masculine right - to scare the Israelis just as Israel scares the Palestinians? But Gaza is not a state. Gaza is under Israeli occupation, despite all the verbal acrobatics of both Hamas and Israel. The Palestinians who live there are part of a people whose DNA contains resistance to oppression. In the West Bank, Palestinian activists try to develop a type of resistance different from the masculine, armed resistance. But the IDF puts down all popular resistance with zeal and resolve. We haven't heard of residents of Tel Aviv and the south complaining about the balance of deterrence the IDF is building against the civilian Palestinian population. And so Israel again provides reasons for more young Palestinians, for whom Israel is an abnormal society of army and settlers, to conclude that the only rational resistance is spilled blood and counter-terrorizing. And so every Israeli link of oppression and all Israeli disregard of the oppression's existence drags us further down the slope of masculine competition.

[ravishingravi]

IRWJFC98jPrQ Great little documentary on life in Gaza strip.

[suraj]

What a mess that area is; will human beings eventually learn to co-exist or is this part of the nature's cycle of old population giving way to new

[Utalk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsgdhzZeZ30&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Crookbond]

Crowds greet Hamas chief on his 1st-ever Gaza visit in show of strength by Islamic rulers http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chief-of-militant-hamas-visits-gaza-strip-for-first-time-in-show-of-strength-by-islamic-group/2012/12/07/a91f5368-4061-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html

Khaled Mashaal, who left the West Bank as a child and now leads the Islamic group from Qatar, crossed the Egyptian border and once on Gazan soil, prostrated himself in a gesture of thanksgiving, recited a traditional Islamic prayer and kissed the ground. He was greeted by a crowd of Hamas officials and representatives of Hamas’ rival Fatah party. Mashaal, 56, was also welcomed by a group of Palestinian children of Gaza militants killed by Israel in recent years, wearing military-style uniforms. Thousands of Hamas supporters lined the streets as Mashaal and Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh drove by, waving and flashing victory signs.

[Sooda]

^ There was a totally Bondesque attempt on his life once years ago '98 I think... disguised Mossad agents poisend him through the ear I think but were then chased down and caught by his bodyguards. Eventually the King of Jordan I think got a antidote but that too only after Clinton intervened.