jairamesh Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 Time for GOI to implement a more effective measure to prevent these abuses regardless if they are on the rise in recent years, more exposure by media or what not. Something more constructive than the cliche statement being currently puked out from Politicians' mouths calling for "death penalties","ashamed to be Indian", "the harshest of harsh punishments", etc. How about something like the America's Megan Law (meant for protection of children): Megan's Law is an informal name for laws in the United States requiring law enforcement authorities to make information available to the public regarding registered sex offenders, which was created in response to the murder of Megan Kanka. Individual states decide what information will be made available and how it should be disseminated. Commonly included information are the offender's name, picture, address, incarceration date, and nature of crime. The information is often displayed on free public websites, but can be published in newspapers, distributed in pamphlets, or through various other means. I think a National Sex Offender Registry would be good starting point, with free public access. It would it at least promote stigmatization of court proven guilty offenders in society.
DomainK Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 IMO more than the law, what's falling seriously short of expectation is law enforcement. There is still some strict laws for rape and other women-specific crimes. However, it's the attitude of police that is pathetic. In most cases, if the victim is poor, the police even refuses to register a complaint, leave alone an FIR. Just a few days ago we had a case where a rape victim walked into a police station and the cops gave her 20 bucks to go and get some treatment and forget the whole thing. It was highlighted by the media only because the victim in this particular case was accompanied by a social worker who raised hell over it and took it to the media. Other victims are regularly ignored by the police. How many women, in a city like Delhi (and I am not making comparisons, so please don't throw the rape statistics of Mumbai at me), feel confident or free or inspired to walk upto a cop and complain about someone harassing her? And no, I am not talking about rape, just plain simple harassment in the form of lewd comments and groping etc? Not many women I guess. If the law enforcement can build that confidence where a woman can find the nearest cop in case of harassment and get a dignified and satisfactory solution to her problem, the law in it's present form would be enough to bring down the rape cases. And unless the law enforcement changes it's way of working, no matter what law the government brings, it will be just as ineffective.
AGHORI Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Time for GOI to implement a more effective measure to prevent these abuses regardless if they are on the rise in recent years, more exposure by media or what not. Something more constructive than the cliche statement being currently puked out from Politicians' mouths calling for "death penalties","ashamed to be Indian", "the harshest of harsh punishments", etc. How about something like the America's Megan Law (meant for protection of children): I think a National Sex Offender Registry would be good starting point, with free public access. It would it at least promote stigmatization of court proven guilty offenders in society. Good suggestion brother,i agree with you and we need to setup fast track courts for handling rape cases.
Clarke Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Two aspects: Police reform: The police departments need to be reformed top to bottom with a bigger force, better training & higher quality of recruits. As one respected expert put it, it is currently an armed militia of the higher levels of govt. They need their independence from the mantris and should be abe to arrest anyone. Judicial reform: What can be done so that cases in general take weeks, maybe months and not years ? There's not much hope from the legislative bodies. You can write umpteen laws, if the police & judiciary are incompetent, the women/dalits/minorities/free speech advocates and the common man will continue to suffer. Three very powerful ladies I heard were playing passing the parcel: Delhi Chief Minister Sheilaji: I am helpless, Police dept comes under home ministry. Mahaan Soniaji: I have written a letter to Sheilaji to review law & order situation. MP Smriti Irani: I can't do much, I'm the opposition. :wall:
ravishingravi Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Bhaiyya, we have enough laws. But it is a banana republic. Implementation is the issue.
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Having a security guard on each bus can get rid of a lot of the problem - not talking about the extreme and bizarre case in Delhi, but from the general perspective of reducing harassment and eve teasing, and just giving the public a general sense of comfort.
punjabiplaya Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Having a security guard on each bus can get rid of a lot of the problem - not talking about the extreme and bizarre case in Delhi' date=' but from the general perspective of reducing harassment and eve teasing, and just giving the public a general sense of comfort.[/quote'] excellent idea!! Also security guards under police supervision patrolling notorious problem areas n main cities n areas so families feel safe esp women!!! Police need more powers, and better training, and the recruitment should be more thorugh so better officers are taken on!!
StriKe Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Having a security guard on each bus can get rid of a lot of the problem - not talking about the extreme and bizarre case in Delhi' date=' but from the general perspective of reducing harassment and eve teasing, and just giving the public a general sense of comfort.[/quote'] Doesn't delhi have male/female cops in important bus stops like college/school/shopping and other crowded areas ? In chennai, we can almost find female cops in important bus stops and in ladies compartment for suburban trains.
Rohit S. Ambani Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 1. Lady police ratio should be much higher. 2. Rapist mega size photo with full bio-data on front page of newspaper. 3. Centralized website for all rapists, child abusers for background checks.
Lurker Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 ** Disclaimer - Contains lot of gaalis, read at your own leisure. What about the moral aspect of this? That of the citizen themselves? Or as always are we going to put the blame on corrupt cops, power hungry politicians and the criminals? Is there a co-relation, specially in the North Indian belt, between sexual molestation of females and the pre-dominance of MC/BC in vocabulary?? I think there is. How do you expect a society to behave where even the females know, and often spout, Behan ke l**e? What do you expect when Maa ki Aankh, Behan de takka are mainstream colloquialism?? Or when Maa ki c*** is the opening line in an argument? I had written in a different thread on how the abuses are different in other parts of the country. Not to use movies as an example, but in Gangs of Wasseypur this is what the females are heard spouting. Kabhi to ghar aayega tu, bhad** saal* ran**ba*j Hamri aulaad ho ke ooo du taka waali ran** ke jehan tumhare babuji muhn maarne jaate hain? Choo***ya samajhte ho humko ka. Do you see a clear distinction between the gaalis of the two regions?? North Indian gaalis have a lot of Mother/sister input, not so much in other parts of the country. This is not to suggest this is the ONLY reason, but what is certainly true is that in most parts of the country aside from North India, spouting MC/BC is a sure shot reason to start a serious fight. Not so much in North India. How about we start discouraging abuses that involve mother and sisters? Too much to ask? :nervous:
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Doesn't delhi have male/female cops in important bus stops like college/school/shopping and other crowded areas ? In chennai, we can almost find female cops in important bus stops and in ladies compartment for suburban trains. Maybe someone who lives in Delhi currently would have a better idea, but from my times I did not notice cops on every bus stop. I still visit, but a visit is a visit when most of my time is spent at homes of friends, pubs, and traveling in a car. But yeah, there is the usual security in malls and shopping areas but certainly not enough. For example, at Connaught Place, each major store has a guard in front of their doors.
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 ** Disclaimer - Contains lot of gaalis' date= read at your own leisure. What about the moral aspect of this? That of the citizen themselves? Or as always are we going to put the blame on corrupt cops, power hungry politicians and the criminals? What do you expect the common citizen to do? Is there a co-relation, specially in the North Indian belt, between sexual molestation of females and the pre-dominance of MC/BC in vocabulary?? I think there is. How do you expect a society to behave where even the females know, and often spout, Behan ke l**e? What do you expect when Maa ki Aankh, Behan de takka are mainstream colloquialism?? Or when Maa ki c*** is the opening line in an argument? I had written in a different thread on how the abuses are different in other parts of the country. Not to use movies as an example, but in Gangs of Wasseypur this is what the females are heard spouting. Kabhi to ghar aayega tu, bhad** saal* ran**ba*j Hamri aulaad ho ke ooo du taka waali ran** ke jehan tumhare babuji muhn maarne jaate hain? Choo***ya samajhte ho humko ka. Do you see a clear distinction between the gaalis of the two regions?? North Indian gaalis have a lot of Mother/sister input, not so much in other parts of the country. This is not to suggest this is the ONLY reason, but what is certainly true is that in most parts of the country aside from North India, spouting MC/BC is a sure shot reason to start a serious fight. Not so much in North India. How about we start discouraging abuses that involve mother and sisters? Too much to ask? :nervous: That's just plain rubbish. Maa/Behen ki gaali lead to rape? LOL! At the most maa/behen ki gaali lead to some harsh words and a scuffle - "Oye, maa ki gaali di, gaad ke rakh doonga" types. There is also more Butter Chicken consumed in North India, but that does not mean Butter Chicken is the cause of more rapes in North India.
Lurker Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Maa/Behen ki gaali lead to rape? LOL! At the most maa/behen ki gaali lead to some harsh words and a scuffle - "Oye, maa ki gaali di, gaad ke rakh doonga" types. There is also more Butter Chicken consumed in North India, but that does not mean Butter Chicken is the cause of more rapes in North India. Rape is just a manifestation of the way women are looked at. You can easily see two brothers in North India calling each BC & MC Do you think that elevates the status of woman? On the other hand do you see that happening in say UP?
punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 ** Disclaimer - Contains lot of gaalis' date= read at your own leisure. What about the moral aspect of this? That of the citizen themselves? Or as always are we going to put the blame on corrupt cops, power hungry politicians and the criminals? Is there a co-relation, specially in the North Indian belt, between sexual molestation of females and the pre-dominance of MC/BC in vocabulary?? I think there is. How do you expect a society to behave where even the females know, and often spout, Behan ke l**e? What do you expect when Maa ki Aankh, Behan de takka are mainstream colloquialism?? Or when Maa ki c*** is the opening line in an argument? I had written in a different thread on how the abuses are different in other parts of the country. Not to use movies as an example, but in Gangs of Wasseypur this is what the females are heard spouting. Kabhi to ghar aayega tu, bhad** saal* ran**ba*j Hamri aulaad ho ke ooo du taka waali ran** ke jehan tumhare babuji muhn maarne jaate hain? Choo***ya samajhte ho humko ka. Do you see a clear distinction between the gaalis of the two regions?? North Indian gaalis have a lot of Mother/sister input, not so much in other parts of the country. This is not to suggest this is the ONLY reason, but what is certainly true is that in most parts of the country aside from North India, spouting MC/BC is a sure shot reason to start a serious fight. Not so much in North India. How about we start discouraging abuses that involve mother and sisters? Too much to ask? :nervous: Bhaisaab aap din dihade peene lage ho ? There is no other state which has more MC/BC gaalis than punjab, yet I am sure punjab is no where near top in rapes. Aapke Bihar mein zyaada rapes hotein hain guaranteed, chattisgarh is leading per capita rape.
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Rape is just a manifestation of the way women are looked at. You can easily see two brothers in North India calling each BC & MC Do you think that elevates the status of woman? On the other hand do you see that happening in say UP? No, it's not. Most in North India give as much a damn about being called BC, as they would about being called haraami in some other part of the country. If it's among close friends, it's of course all fun and laughter, and the typical reaction is as any abuse would attract anywhere in the country - some would ignore it, some would give back, some would pick up a fight. No one actually visualizes the image of himself getting it along with his sister or mother when abused in those words and goes to the literal meaning of it. It's what it is - an abuse, just like haraami or chewtiya.
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 And just as a rejoinder, there is even a difference between MC and BC. BC is used in all sorts of conversation and in various forms like an auxiliary verb, adjective, noun etc. etc., but MC is a more reserved phrase meant for more serious things. You would literally laugh at someone being offended by the use of BC in North India. I've been to homes where I saw the father using the word every off and on in front of the family. It's not something I would do, but I am talking about well behaved people who obviously don't take the word in a literal sense in any way.
punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Here's what a quick search pulled up. Rajasthan, MP, Chattisgarh, Assam have way higher rape per capita. Hopefully the BC/MC theory has been buried with this.
Clarke Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Having a security guard on each bus can get rid of a lot of the problem - not talking about the extreme and bizarre case in Delhi' date= but from the general perspective of reducing harassment and eve teasing, and just giving the public a general sense of comfort.http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-gangrape-chartered-buses-bribe-their-way-to-city-roads-without-permits/1/238441.html Does that help with the ton of illegally operating buses on the roads ?
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Does that help with the ton of illegally operating buses on the roads ? http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-gangrape-chartered-buses-bribe-their-way-to-city-roads-without-permits/1/238441.html Yaar, you cannot reform the entire system overnight and certainly not with one single suggestion as I mentioned. And neither is implementing the security guard thing going to be a simple solution with the extra costs involved which will be transferred to the travelers - 80% of whom are probably not a victim of any abuse. It was a one line solution, but it's implementation will have to be manifold - and manifold for me means jotting down the key 3-4 points: 1. Have security guards on each public and private bus in the city. 2. The extra cost will have to be taken up by the passengers. 3. Implement strict laws against those violating this and/or using buses which are not registered at some central system. 4. Have the police at every designated bus stop, so that the security guard can immediately contact them if something happens on the bus. Yeah, it's a lot of extra expenditure and at the same time you need to work on changing the culture and ethos of the city through other measures, but that is the best solution I see for an immediate impact.
Clarke Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 ^ Haven't lived in Delhi, so I'm not sure of the extent of policing and where it is inadequate. The crimes though can occur anywhere, in the private bus when its off duty like the one in question, in the metro if a lady is cornered (men apparently use the ladies coach as per some comments), kidnapped from a street in a private car etc. Are we looking for a police state then to prevent these crimes ?
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