rkt.india Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 In the last six months, MS Dhoni has been under enormous pressure as captain and batsman. Leading India is a tough job and it is going to get even tougher because of the situation the team finds itself in. I believe, though, that not only is Dhoni the only man to lead India in Test cricket, he is still capable of doing the job well. What it will require from him is a change in the way he captains, a recognition that he can't do everything all the time, and the willingness to ask for and accept help. He has had a good run, and will be recognised as India's most successful captain, and he now has a chance to extend it. Other than his leadership qualities, there is the fact that there are no alternatives to Dhoni at this stage. At one point we felt Gautam Gambhir could take over the job. In 2008-09, Gautam showed he could definitely play at the international level and in all formats. His captaincy of Kolkata Knight Riders in the last IPL was excellent. Yet what goes against him today is the fact that he has not scored too many Test runs in the last three years, and he averages under 32. Also, unlike Dhoni, Gautam does not have a second skill to back up his batting, even if that skill is being an excellent slip fielder. It is not a good precedent to have R Ashwin stand in slips (or Cheteshwar Pujara shuttling between short leg and slips with pads on) when there are frontline batsmen in the side who should be in catching positions, be they slips or short leg. Still, Gautam's batsmanship and experience remain very important for the team, and giving him the captaincy at a time like this would be a burden on him. Before anything else, he has to get his Test batting back on track. If he does, he still has age on his side. Virat Kohli is the only other alternative leader, and he ticks the box of being an automatic selection in all three formats. Yet I believe it's a little early for him. At the moment, he is a growing, developing cricketer. I would love for him to get the job after India has played 15 or so Tests which means the end of the England tour in September 2014. If he can keep his form and develop till then, it will be a good time for him to take over. He is a long-term prospect as batsman and captain, but giving him the Test captaincy at this stage might be risky. It is important for Dhoni now, even though he has no serious challengers, to make sure that he has the energy and the drive to still captain. Because if he doesn't, he should call it quits: the lack of energy and drive will show, and that will not go do his legacy or Indian cricket any good. Everyone speaks about the tour of South Africa this December as being a crucial one, but there is more after South Africa: India go to New Zealand, and in the northern summer of 2014 they play five Tests in England. Between the home series against Australia next month and the end of that England tour, there are 15 Test matches. At the end of those 15 Tests, if Dhoni can have turned things around for Indian cricket, have had a couple of good overseas tours, and can then hand over the captaincy to the next man, that would rank among his greatest achievements. He would have taken the responsibility of leading a team in transition and left it in a better state. What I like about Dhoni is that he is a leader by example. We saw this in the Nagpur Test match - and not merely from his second-innings 99. In Nagpur, because the wicket was slow, Dhoni came up to the stumps to Ishant Sharma, who was bowling at 140kph. To do that was gutsy, because it had "break your finger" written all over it. Dhoni was willing to take that chance, and to me, in some ways, that shows leadership. Sometimes he promotes himself up the batting order at critical times - the World Cup final was a good example. He is willing to play through niggles and injuries. That provides an example for others in the team to follow. When he bats with the tail, he plays his shots, can improvise, and shows he is not there to protect his own runs or his wicket. There's a lot of talk of split captaincy these days. It won't be a bad model for India to adopt, if only to keep Dhoni fresh as Test captain. Dhoni has got to recognise that he can't continue to captain and play all the time, because it is making him stale. The pressure of international cricket is huge - it lends itself to a lot of fatigue - and Dhoni has been in the job a long time now. Once the early charm and excitement of captaining a team wear off, you need to pace yourself. To start with, Dhoni could easily give up the India T20 and Chennai Super Kings captaincies. He has already achieved whatever there is to achieve in those roles. He needs to take breaks between captaining and keeping and playing. He should certainly play ODIs and T20s for India, because he is invaluable to the side. Giving up a couple of captaincy roles might give him more time in the main India job and the freshness to keep doing it. It would also give India an opportunity to perhaps give someone like Kohli a chance to be T20 captain, break him into the job and see how he goes. Dhoni could easily give up the India T20 and Chennai Super Kings captaincies. He has already achieved whatever there is to achieve in those roles. He needs to take breaks between captaining and keeping and playing There is another option for Dhoni as well, which he has resorted to in the past: to miss the odd one-day series and prepare himself for the big competitions like the Champions Trophy, the World Cup and the T20 World Cup. It would mean talking it through with the selectors and telling them that he will do the job but he's going to need his breaks and breathing space. In the past, he missed a Test series in Sri Lanka when he wasn't even captain, and an ODI series against Zimbabwe. It is time to revisit that strategy. Dhoni must also recognise that he needs to change a very successful leadership style - almost change direction - because the team is changing. India will always be competitive in limited-overs cricket; it is in Test cricket that the real transition is taking place. The departures of Sachin and Zaheer, and now Veeru, mean there's a bit of a shake-up in ODIs, but it is more stark in Test cricket. Over the last five years as captain, for the most part Dhoni led a team that had a lot of experienced players. He led on instinct and gut feel, and it worked brilliantly for him. His team-mates included Sachin, myself, Laxman, Sehwag, Zaheer and Harbhajan, and we didn't need instructions about what to do to perform. Now Dhoni is captaining a team with young guys, who need more communication and guidance. They are learning about international cricket and dealing with their own stresses and challenges; they need someone to help them, to explain what is happening - for example, when people are dropped. One of the criticisms directed at Dhoni has been that there is very little communication about plans and roles either. He is not one for bowling plans and bowlers' meetings. When you have senior bowlers like Zaheer, Kumble and Harbhajan, the captain need not worry about all that because the bowlers know what to do. On the other hand, the younger bowlers coming in now, like Ashwin and Ojha, need to know what the plan is, and need to make sure that they are on the same page. They need to discuss strategy and planning well before they go onto the field. Without that, younger guys in a team can get a bit disoriented. Bowling attacks make good captains and successful teams. Dhoni needs to identify the next generation of bowlers who can do the job for him, because without a good bowling attack, India are going to struggle; they might have the odd success, but I can't see how they're going to be competitive and stay that way. If Dhoni needs help, he needs to be clear about what kind of help, and he needs to ask for it. He should take advice and assistance from people around him: guys like Duncan Fletcher and the support staff have knowledge to provide. Dhoni has got to start tapping those resources a bit more in terms of tactics and strategy. Maybe he needs to listen to what other people say, rather than always relying on his instinct - especially with respect to the bowlers. I don't think anybody expects him to have great success in the immediate future. People recognise that this is a period of transition and that there are going to be tough days. What they need to know, though, is that the way forward has been clearly mapped. Dhoni has got to have a vision of where he wants this team to be at the end of that England tour next year. And he needs to identify a set of players to take India through the next five years. This is a critical phase for Indian cricket. If Dhoni wants to lead India, the job is going to demand a lot more energy and involvement from him. He is the man for it at the moment, if he can find that second wind. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/600239.html
saneindian Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 His time has gone. Its hard to see how he is going to suddenly change himself. The team lacks a clear vision under him and the captain's own myopic thinking is a major stumbling block during this transition period.
vamos_rafa Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Dravid has now become a full blown employee of BCCI.
bharat297 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I remember during his early years Dhoni always had a few tricks up his sleeve. One of the best examples I remember was the 4th Test between Australia and India in 2008. India made 400odd in their first innings and Australia were cruising at 2/230 and looked like they were going to score 600 and cruise to victory. Dhoni set an 8-1 field, got Zaheer to bowl a foot outside off and completely dried up the runs. He knew most Australian batsmen like keeping the runs flowing and when they can't they'll get frustrated and invariably the Aussies chased the wide ones and India turned the match back and India went on to win. Dhoni got criticised for his tactics. Some said it was defensive but it showed me that he always had a trick up his sleeve. Obviously there are many other examples but he was a good captain (all things considered). But, I think all captains have a shelf life and Dhoni is reaching the end of his. This talk of it being too risky to give Kohli the captaincy doesn't quite make sense to me. I think people are overcomplicating it. Right now, we're pretty much losing everything. Don't overcomplicate the selection process. Pick you best XI players, and then pick the best person to lead that team. It doesn't have to be Kohli. But to start worrying about the risk of blooding a new captain when the side is losing everything under the current one is just stupid.
Magneto Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I remember during his early years Dhoni always had a few tricks up his sleeve. One of the best examples I remember was the 4th Test between Australia and India in 2008. India made 400odd in their first innings and Australia were cruising at 2/230 and looked like they were going to score 600 and cruise to victory. Dhoni set an 8-1 field, got Zaheer to bowl a foot outside off and completely dried up the runs. He knew most Australian batsmen like keeping the runs flowing and when they can't they'll get frustrated and invariably the Aussies chased the wide ones and India turned the match back and India went on to win. Dhoni got criticised for his tactics. Some said it was defensive but it showed me that he always had a trick up his sleeve. Obviously there are many other examples but he was a good captain (all things considered). But, I think all captains have a shelf life and Dhoni is reaching the end of his. This talk of it being too risky to give Kohli the captaincy doesn't quite make sense to me. I think people are overcomplicating it. Right now, we're pretty much losing everything. Don't overcomplicate the selection process. Pick you best XI players, and then pick the best person to lead that team. It doesn't have to be Kohli. But to start worrying about the risk of blooding a new captain when the side is losing everything under the current one is just stupid. Hypothetically, how would you react if Kohli loses his first seven Tests as captain (4-0 to Australia, and 3-0 to South Africa) and continues with his present form? Would still want to continue with him after South Africa?
bharat297 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Hypothetically, how would you react if Kohli loses his first seven Tests as captain (4-0 to Australia, and 3-0 to South Africa) and continues with his present form? Would still want to continue with him after South Africa? I'd want to give him approx. 18 months. If after 18 months it's not working, like you said, then so be it ... maybe a new captaincy option will present itself then. Same process. Pick your best XI players then and pick the best person to lead the XI players.
Magneto Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I'd want to give him approx. 18 months. If after 18 months it's not working' date=' like you said, then so be it ... maybe a new captaincy option will present itself then. Same process. Pick your best XI players then and pick the best person to lead the XI players.[/quote'] I have a weird feeling that we're again going through an Azhar-Sachin-Ganguly kind of phase. People wanted Azhar out, Sachin was the only logical option, it didn't work so they went to Ganguly. Here also Kohli seems to be the best bet, but if it does not work, we'll might have to go to Pujara later on. The bigger issue is that Kohli is just finding his feet in Tests, and the next two series are almost make-or-break for him as a batsman. Not in terms of career, but in terms of reputation. The added pressure of captaincy and Kohli's own volatile nature maybe his biggest stumbling blocks.
CG Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I have a weird feeling that we're again going through an Azhar-Sachin-Ganguly kind of phase. People wanted Azhar out, Sachin was the only logical option, it didn't work so they went to Ganguly. Here also Kohli seems to be the best bet, but if it does not work, we'll might have to go to Pujara later on. The bigger issue is that Kohli is just finding his feet in Tests, and the next two series are almost make-or-break for him as a batsman. Not in terms of career, but in terms of reputation. The added pressure of captaincy and Kohli's own volatile nature maybe his biggest stumbling blocks. Gambhir averaged 40 in last series vs eng in tests and if he find form in odis against eng he should be captain. kohli can be t20 captain.
diga Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I have a weird feeling that we're again going through an Azhar-Sachin-Ganguly kind of phase. People wanted Azhar out, Sachin was the only logical option, it didn't work so they went to Ganguly. Here also Kohli seems to be the best bet, but if it does not work, we'll might have to go to Pujara later on. The bigger issue is that Kohli is just finding his feet in Tests, and the next two series are almost make-or-break for him as a batsman. Not in terms of career, but in terms of reputation. The added pressure of captaincy and Kohli's own volatile nature maybe his biggest stumbling blocks. Azhar-Sachin-Ganguly Dhoni-Kohli-Gambhir/Raina :)
bharat297 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I have a weird feeling that we're again going through an Azhar-Sachin-Ganguly kind of phase. People wanted Azhar out, Sachin was the only logical option, it didn't work so they went to Ganguly. Here also Kohli seems to be the best bet, but if it does not work, we'll might have to go to Pujara later on. The bigger issue is that Kohli is just finding his feet in Tests, and the next two series are almost make-or-break for him as a batsman. Not in terms of career, but in terms of reputation. The added pressure of captaincy and Kohli's own volatile nature maybe his biggest stumbling blocks. This is a classic case of Indians thinking about one individual instead of a whole team. Sure Kohli may struggle under the burden of captaincy, but he also may not. And to proceed with a struggling captain now just so one batsman can find his feet in international cricket is silly. Look if they pick Kohli, he may struggle for 18 months, the team may not improve. But by then who knows, maybe Pujara might be an option. Maybe Rahane might find his feet in Test cricket. Maybe Ashwin may improve his bowling and be an option. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to proceed with Dhoni so we can hold Kohli's hand while he crosses the road. If Kohli is our best option as captain right now then make him captain right now. Who knows? Captaincy could take his game to the next level.
The Dark Horse Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Gambhir averaged 40 in last series vs eng in tests and if he find form in odis against eng he should be captain. kohli can be t20 captain. Gambhir has been woefully out of form- shouldn't be in the 11 in the first place. May be we can try someone else.
saneindian Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Gambhir as captain cos he averaged 40 in his last series? lol CG you are now talking like Amarnath. Since that England series in 2011, Dhoni averages 36, why would you want him removed if Gambhir's avg of 40 is good enough for him to be captain? lol
CG Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Gambhir has been woefully out of form- shouldn't be in the 11 in the first place. May be we can try someone else. He did score runs in the last test series against eng.
saneindian Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 This is a classic case of Indians thinking about one individual instead of a whole team. Sure Kohli may struggle under the burden of captaincy, but he also may not. And to proceed with a struggling captain now just so one batsman can find his feet in international cricket is silly. Look if they pick Kohli, he may struggle for 18 months, the team may not improve. But by then who knows, maybe Pujara might be an option. Maybe Rahane might find his feet in Test cricket. Maybe Ashwin may improve his bowling and be an option. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to proceed with Dhoni so we can hold Kohli's hand while he crosses the road. If Kohli is our best option as captain right now then make him captain right now. Who knows? Captaincy could take his game to the next level. Kohli has lost his ODI form at the worst possible moment. After that 100 vs England in the last test, even decent scores in the ODIs could have seen him getting the captaincy. But right now as things stand Kohli himself has been struggling for runs in the last 3-4 months barring that 100 vs England. Impossible to see how the selectors can go with him as a captain unless he can get his ODI form back.
CG Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Gambhir as captain cos he averaged 40 in his last series? lol CG you are now talking like Amarnath. Since that England series' date=' Dhoni averages 36, why would you want him removed if Gambhir's avg of 40 is good enough for him to be captain? lol[/quote'] Gambhir and kohli are the only alternatives.Kohli is still young.Gambhir is my choice as he scored some runs against eng and showed to be in some kind of form.Dhoni is not being removed form the team its his tactics ,Bias player selection, which are major contributers of his downfall as captain.We need a new captain with fresh ideas.Clarke was not in outstanding form when he was given captaincy
Magneto Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 This is a classic case of Indians thinking about one individual instead of a whole team. Sure Kohli may struggle under the burden of captaincy, but he also may not. And to proceed with a struggling captain now just so one batsman can find his feet in international cricket is silly. Look if they pick Kohli, he may struggle for 18 months, the team may not improve. But by then who knows, maybe Pujara might be an option. Maybe Rahane might find his feet in Test cricket. Maybe Ashwin may improve his bowling and be an option. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to proceed with Dhoni so we can hold Kohli's hand while he crosses the road. If Kohli is our best option as captain right now then make him captain right now. Who knows? Captaincy could take his game to the next level. I hope it does. 'Cause the picture I painted ain't a pretty one and may scar Kohli in the long term. We have a few talents in the country and we should make sure we take care of them. I am not saying that Dhoni should be continued. I would rather prefer a Gambhir/Sehwag kind of alternative who would be the next stop-gap captain for 2-3 series. Kohli is struggling as a batsman at the Test level, so neither is he the team's best batsman.
bharat297 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Kohli has lost his ODI form at the worst possible moment. After that 100 vs England in the last test' date=' even decent scores in the ODIs could have seen him getting the captaincy. But right now as things stand Kohli himself has been struggling for runs in the last 3-4 months barring that 100 vs England. Impossible to see how the selectors can go with him as a captain unless he can get his ODI form back.[/quote'] Fine. It doesn't have to be Kohli specifically. I think we should just simplify the problem. The first question we should ask is: What is the best XI test team in India right now? Once you've done that, then say ... Who is best suited to captain that side. Michael Clarke's test form was pretty hopeless too before he became captain.
The Dark Horse Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 He did score runs in the last test series against eng. Yes that at the cost of the team - He was being very selfish. Even I had thoughts similar to you but seeing his attitude I dont want him anywhere near captaincy.
bharat297 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I hope it does. 'Cause the picture I painted ain't a pretty one and may scar Kohli in the long term. We have a few talents in the country and we should make sure we take care of them. I am not saying that Dhoni should be continued. I would rather prefer a Gambhir/Sehwag kind of alternative who would be the next stop-gap captain for 2-3 series. Kohli is struggling as a batsman at the Test level, so neither is he the team's best batsman. A few talents doesn't make a No.1 side. We need a whole team playing well together led by a good captain.
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