Sir Donald Bradman speaks on Sachin Tendulkar

[Marut]

so what constitutes patriotism for you?:hmmm:

So many things....some examples. 1. Running an orphanage with little desire for "profit" and motivated by humanitarian considerations 2. Doing something unimaginable for the country ( like undergoing risk to one's own life). One of my friends uncle was killed while fighting the enemy at Poonch during the Kargil war - I consider that patriotic. 3. Law abiding, payer of taxes, corruption free etc 4. Fighting against anti social, anti humanistic, anti Indian evils.

[Marut]

Like U_G said. Nothing in life is easy, so why not prefer something that is worthwhile. A famous sportsperson at least has been able to author an autobiography that will be read by many. For the average Indian, the honeymoon you mentioned rarely ever occurs, it is burden all the life. Meet Tendulkar and ask him if life can be rewound back to age sixteen, would he still go on to become the Tendulkar we all know or something else like working full time in a bank. I am sure he will choose to be Tendulkar, even with all the nuisances and inconveniences that come along with this life style.

[Lord]

So many things....some examples. 1. Running an orphanage with little desire for "profit" and motivated by humanitarian considerations

thats humanitarian nature.nationality shouldnt come into it.anyway Sachin does a fair bit of charity AFAIK

2. Doing something unimaginable for the country ( like undergoing risk to one's own life). One of my friends uncle was killed while fighting the enemy at Poonch during the Kargil war - I consider that patriotic.

again nationality shouldnt come into it.I would try to save a Paki too. If you are reffering to army,military people,they are paid for thier 'jobs' too.so how is that different

3. Law abiding, payer of taxes, corruption free etc

agree.

4. Fighting against anti social, anti humanistic, anti Indian evils.

agree but that isnt necessary to be called patriotic to me,representing your nation in a sport and and endeavour of bringing glory to your nation by great performancesis as patriotic as it gets It is not a typical 9 to5(okay 9 to 9)bank job and shouldnt be clubbed with that

[Raghav_12]

I don't get the "service for 23 years" part. The guy is a professional sportsperson and has been more than adequately compensated at that. Most of the people work for a living and spend most of their lives grinding it out - in fact there are folks who travel on a daily basis from Pune to Mumbai for work etting up at 4 am and reaching back home at 10-11 pm. We don't hear anything about "service" from their employers.

Not exactly very relevant to discussion here, but why would somebody do that? One can easily take an accommodation in Vasi or Panvel areas which are not costlier than what Pune is and also provides good connectivity with Pune. Why a person should be appreciated or revered for such thing, which is stupid if being done on long term basis.

[Number]

What the fvck is going on in this thread. :facepalm:X1000 Some people always find a way to piss on bonefire. :facepalm:

[Swing_n_Speed]

You ignored my second paragraph. I am pretty proud of my second paragraph. Please reply to my second paragraph

Ha just cos of this post I actually read that second para. I liked it. Rather lyrical. Made absolutely no sense though :--D

[Swing_n_Speed]

I don't get the "service for 23 years" part. The guy is a professional sportsperson and has been more than adequately compensated at that. Most of the people work for a living and spend most of their lives grinding it out - in fact there are folks who travel on a daily basis from Pune to Mumbai for work etting up at 4 am and reaching back home at 10-11 pm. We don't hear anything about "service" from their employers. The fact is Tendulkar, and most of Indian cricketers, have been more than adequately compensated for their troubles or maybe they would have preferred to slog it out 9-7 for 40 years of their lives. Let's keep things in perspective and not treat sportspersons as if they have been fighting a war or have been taking care of kids in an orphanage for years.

+1 I mean all this 'years of service' is just hula-hoo. We admire Tendulkar for all that he is. A great human being, a role model and above all a super cricketer unlike any other. But there really is no reason to get carried away. For all his effort Tendulkar has reaped enormous dividend, he is still relatively young, he has ample time to spend with his family. I really don't understand what the big deal is? Unlike so many others who literally toil away day and night for absolutely nothing. So a few bad series what-not, to me Tendulkar will always be numero uno. That one sportsperson I would spend an insane amount of money to watch live. But off the sports-field Tendulkar ceases to be relevant.

[ravishingravi]

Not exactly very relevant to discussion here' date=' but why would somebody do that? One can easily take an accommodation in Vasi or Panvel areas which are not costlier than what Pune is and also provides good connectivity with Pune. Why a person should be appreciated or revered for such thing, which is stupid if being done on long term basis.[/quote'] People go from Daman to Bombay and vice versa on daily basis. Such is life

[Raghav_12]

People go from Daman to Bombay and vice versa on daily basis. Such is life

Don't have any idea about commute time between Daman and Mumbai so can't comment on that. They should make their life easy if it is too much, by doing something to reduce that commute time, instead of saying "such is life". I have seen many friends who rented an apartment in Gurgaon even though they have family house in Delhi or Noida. I won't appreciate anybody for making such choices which make him commute for 6-7 hours on daily basis.

[Ultimate_Game]

Don't have any idea about commute time between Daman and Mumbai so can't comment on that. They should make their life easy if it is too much' date=' by doing something to reduce that commute time, instead of saying "such is life". I have seen many friends who rented an apartment in Gurgaon even though they have family house in Delhi or Noida. I won't appreciate anybody for making such choices which make him commute for 6-7 hours on daily basis.[/quote'] People don't love to lead that kind of lifestyle. If you are one of the lower middle class folks in India, or god forbid are even more economically challenged (which is nearly 70-80% of the country) you don't have the luxury to make that choice. Not all people can afford to rent flats/apartments in Mumbai/Delhi/Gurgaon. The only reason I even learnt about the Pune-Mumbai commute was when I met an acquaintance from Pune. His uncle (chacha) had come over to visit him and when I was chatting with him he mentioned he worked in Mumbai and lived in Pune. I told him it must be tough to commute back and forth every weekend and he said he does it every day! He even mentioned the name of the train (IIRC Mahalaksmi Express or something similar) and I was flabbergasted. I saw similar theme in NCR region in Delhi where I have seen people commute daily from as far as Sonipat in Haryana to Delhi! These guys don't have the means to rent a place in Delhi/Mumbai and can't afford to give up their job as they are not into IT/management. They are still part of the pre-90s India where you slog through the life, including weekends, and hope by the time you are done you will have enough to afford a house and maybe settle your children. Majority of Indians fall in this category. As for commute, I have seen people commute for 1.5 hr one way in Bay Area or commuting from Jersey to NY city, and spending hrs one way in GTA (Greater Toronto Area) and these folks couldn't afford to have a house closer to the heart of the city as well. It's just that these people drive swanky cars and live in North America but the fact is they are forced to make the choice, and not because they like it.

[vamos_rafa]

It's more of a personal choice. But, as I said, the quest for money and fame can take you only upto a certain level. There would be a time, when you would have had enough of it. So, for some like say a Sachin/Dhoni/Virat, this would have been achieved very early. Then it all boils down to the fact that what was the reason you were into that profession? If it was only money,fame then sooner or later the bubble would burst and we see the likes of Kambli/Pathan and all those players. The choice B looks very rosy from the outside, but once you start going through the grinds, it can take it's toll upon anyone. Even in the choice A,let's spice it up a bit. I am most certainly a part of it, not sure about you. Now, imagine the plight, when your manager/security guard, the testing team(since I am a developer and hate testers :winky:) and every tom dick and harry asks, "Yaar Sagar, ye code tumne aisa kyu likha, isko waisa likhte". Or when suddenly you are the star of your office for some reason, and suddenly you are responsible for every good thing but in the next quarter you can't live upto the standards, the pressure in a group of what, a 100 people can weigh someone down? This can happen to anyone who is being paid a hefty sum in an IT or any department. As I said, it's a personal choice. I myself would like to go for choice B. Yes, Sachin has been compensated for every run he has scored. I am not talking about it's justification. I am just syaing that the grinds that one goes through is much much higher than what we can see. It can't be satisfied by purely money but there has to be something else. There are some who love the game itself(like Sachin/Federer) or others who hate the game but still hate losing even more(read Agassi) or some who are trained for it(like Rafa).