Trichromatic Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 ^^His strengths were accuracy and got bounce because he was very tall but he was not express. Not express, but certainly fast. Imran Khan was also fast bowler.
SLICKR392 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 ^+1 Ambrose's average speed was 84-86 IIRC. (I have not see him much but I've read about it). Even in his peak form he rarely or rather never got close to that 150 mark.
shuraim Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 what is wrong with Indian fans ,they are not considering 135 k bowlers as pacers?seems like standard is quite high.To be honest styne hardly bowls at 140 k, but he is no.1 for last 3 years.
kubrickian Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 what is wrong with Indian fans ' date='they are not considering 135 k bowlers as pacers?seems like standard is quite high.To be honest styne hardly bowls at 140 k, but he is no.1 for last 3 years.[/quote'] Marut was saying Kapil Dev was not fast but McGrath, Pollock, Imran, Ambrose are fast but they all bowled mostly around 135 kph on average. Never said they are not quick but not express.
kubrickian Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 India over the past 10 years has produced good pace bowling talent. That's not the problem. Ishant Sharma, Irfan Pathan, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Nehra, Balaji all had great starts to their careers. The problem has been maintaining that form and keep doing well. They usually suffer too many injuries because of excess cricket and with that pace generally also goes down. Zaheer Khan bucked this trend and continued to do well. Umesh Yadav, Varun Aron are already injured. Again B Kumar, Shami look like good prospects but challenge lies in continuing to improve and keep away from injuries.
Hafeez Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Kumble' date=' Kapil Dev, Srinath ARE legends. Harbhajan could have been a great bowler if he hadnt played too much T20 and just stuck to longer version.[/quote'] Name 1 indian bowler who have Under-25 Bowling Average in test cricket and thay had taken 100 Plus wickets
Hafeez Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 India over the past 10 years has produced good pace bowling talent. That's not the problem. Ishant Sharma, Irfan Pathan, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Nehra, Balaji all had great starts to their careers. The problem has been maintaining that form and keep doing well. They usually suffer too many injuries because of excess cricket and with that pace generally also goes down. Zaheer Khan bucked this trend and continued to do well. Umesh Yadav, Varun Aron are already injured. Again B Kumar, Shami look like good prospects but challenge lies in continuing to improve and keep away from injuries. Nehra,Balaji,RP Singh great star :haha: Ishant,Sreesnath Ave 38 plus in test cricket Only Zaheer khan was decent Bowler and now he is past for india
Hafeez Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Pollock, Ambrose, Imran Khan, McGrath are not pace bowlers. It shows how little you know. They are mostly medium-fast bowlers, bowling around 135 kph on average. Kapil also bowled at the same pace most of his career but slowed down further towards the end because of age. You have also completely derailed this thread. Read the topic again. I Can Show you video Imran khan bowling up to 145kph Average Kapil dev was Yard slower than Ambrose and Imran khan
Hafeez Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Pakistan have 5 Fast bowler who have Under-25 Bowling Ave and thay taken 100 plus wickets Fazal mahmood Legend only bowler of 1950s era who taken 12plus wickets against all team.s of that time Imran khan Legend Ave-22 Taken around 380 test wickets Wasim Legend He is part of All time best ever xi Waqar on S/R is 2nd best fast bowler of all time M.asif 108 wickets Ave-24 S/R 48 (Only Asif and steyn are pacer of current era who have Under-25 bowling Average and thay had Strike rate in 40s) Shoaib Akthar 190 Test wickets Ave 25.41 S/R 45 (Akthar have 3rd best S/R by bowler in History of test cricket he was Wicket taker use to go for runs but also were use to take lots wickets)
vandokkum Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 You can't have a great test team without atleast one great bowler in your ranks. India should start paying test bowlers and keep them away from playing every god damn odi/ t20 and ipl match. Being a test bowler is different than bowling 4 or 10 overs a match, I am sure BCCI can afford to hand pick some bowlers and pay them to be test specialists.
Hafeez Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 You can't have a great test team without atleast one great bowler in your ranks. India should start paying test bowlers and keep them away from playing every god damn odi/ t20 and ipl match. Being a test bowler is different than bowling 4 or 10 overs a match' date=' I am sure BCCI can afford to hand pick some bowlers and pay them to be test specialists.[/quote'] agree with your Point India can not win any test match with out talking 20 wickets
kubrickian Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Pakistan have 5 Fast bowler who have Under-25 Bowling Ave and thay taken 100 plus wickets Fazal mahmood Legend only bowler of 1950s era who taken 12plus wickets against all team.s of that time Imran khan Legend Ave-22 Taken around 380 test wickets Wasim Legend He is part of All time best ever xi Waqar on S/R is 2nd best fast bowler of all time M.asif 108 wickets Ave-24 S/R 48 (Only Asif and steyn are pacer of current era who have Under-25 bowling Average and thay had Strike rate in 40s) Shoaib Akthar 190 Test wickets Ave 25.41 S/R 45 (Akthar have 3rd best S/R by bowler in History of test cricket he was Wicket taker use to go for runs but also were use to take lots wickets) Now if you have to compare, Kapil got 434 wickets - one of the highest wicket taker in the world and lot more than any Pak seamer. :winky: Wasim and Waqar seemed more potent because they were bowling in tandem unlike someone like Srinath(236) who never had decent support bowlers. He had potential to pick 100 more wickets. Zaheer Khan picked 295 wickets in tests. That's more wickets than any Pak seamer had picked after Ws. India had Bedi (266 wickets), Chandrasekhar(242), Prasanna(189), Venkat(156) who were legendary spinners. Kumble(619) is the 3rd highest wicket taker in tests of all time. Harbhajan(408) is another leading wicket taker and was among the best in the world. You cant even compare Pak spinners with those from India. Abdul Qadir(236) was your best spinner. Dont get hung up on averages and miss the big picture. Bowling is lot more than just averages. :winky: Clearly India had lot better spinners and good pacers as well. :two_thumbs_up:
Hafeez Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Now if you have to compare, Kapil got 434 wickets - one of the highest wicket taker in the world and lot more than any Pak seamer. :winky: Wasim and Waqar seemed more potent because they were bowling in tandem unlike someone like Srinath(236) who never had decent support bowlers. He had potential to pick 100 more wickets. Zaheer Khan picked 295 wickets in tests. That's more wickets than any Pak seamer had picked after Ws. India had Bedi (266 wickets), Chandrasekhar(242), Prasanna(189), Venkat(156) who were legendary spinners. Kumble(619) is the 3rd highest wicket taker in tests of all time. Harbhajan(408) is another leading wicket taker and was among the best in the world. You cant even compare Pak spinners with those from India. Abdul Qadir(236) was your best spinner. Dont get hung up on averages and miss the big picture. Bowling is lot more than just averages. :winky: Clearly India had lot better spinners and good pacers as well. :two_thumbs_up: Oh my God what a Big Statement you comparing Kapil dev with Fast bowlers like,s (Wasim.Waqar.Imran who have 23 around Bowling Average)
Hafeez Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Waqar In test cricket 373 wickets Ave 23 S/R 43 (22 five wicket hauls) in odi 416 wickets Ave-23 S/R 30 (13 five wicket hauls) 96 test wickets in 35 test matches Ave-35 S/R 73 in odi 196 wickets 161 matches Ave 32 1 five wicket haul Compare now Waqar was use to take wicket after 43 balls Prasad was use to take wicket after 73 balls Waqar 12 five wickets hauls in Odi Prasad 1 five wicket haul in Odi cricket
Hafeez Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Pakistan Spinners vs Indian spinners overall in History spinnhttp://www.indiancricketfans.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2136&stc=1&d=
Hafeez Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Pakistan Spinners vs Indian spinners in Odi Pakistan stand ahead here to and if u want Pace bowling stats than i can show u that to
vandokkum Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 From a neutral prospective, Kapil dev is probably the only bowler India ever had that could be classified as great. He ruined his stats quite a bit going for records.
kubrickian Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 From a neutral prospective' date=' Kapil dev is probably the only bowler India ever had that could be classified as great. He ruined his stats quite a bit going for records.[/quote'] Kumble, Bedi, Chandrasekhar as well. You dont rate spinners because you never had decent spinners in your lineup. Imran Tahir anyone ? :hysterical:
Sandeep99 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 This beats me! Indians never want to bowl,! Batting always
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