Please keep Jadeja away from TEST team!

[Lord]

How does Ishant come into the picture - he is a fast bowler' date=' or at least pretends to be one. Harbhajan should not be playing either and neither should Jadeja be playing. Comparing him to Ashwin on the basis of one innings is not a serious argument.[/quote'] I'm talking of overall bowling attack.hes keeping his place as top 4 bowlers for these conditions.not comparing with Ashwin ofcourse

[Lord]

Arre, try out Bhargav Bhatt(I know he didn't do well this season) or Ladda if you don't like the above choices. Both of them along with Nadeem and Rasool have more potential than the dart king Jadeja is going to give you in the long run. I don't think Mishra should be selected either till he loses some weight and gets the pivot back in his bowling, but Jadeja is so ordinary that even Mishra or dare I say Chawla will do a better job than him. Bits and pieces cricketers have never succeeded in test cricket over a long run and we are just wasting time and opportunities in playing Jadeja in a bits and pieces role.

Bhatt,Ladda,Nadeem over Jadeja?how are they any better.all three have far inferior FC records,and are similar bowlers.Rasool I heard is good but havent seen him. Piyush Chawla is better?

[The Outsider]

I'm talking of overall bowling attack.hes keeping his place as top 4 bowlers for these conditions.not comparing with Ashwin ofcourse

So, you want to play 4 spin bowlers?

[Lord]

So' date=' you want to play 4 spin bowlers?[/quote'] in these conditions 3 spinners+1 pacer is the way to go,especially against non SC teams. n he makes it imo

[I6MTW]

Jadeja is currently better than ashwin in LOI'S.

[The Outsider]

Bhatt,Ladda,Nadeem over Jadeja?how are they any better.all three have far inferior FC records,and are similar bowlers.Rasool I heard is good but havent seen him. Piyush Chawla is better?

First Class records are not the be all and end all of things. All of them have got more potential for long term success than a bits and pieces cricketer like Jadeja. I'll ask the question again - can you name a single successful bits and pieces cricketer in tests? It's only a matter of time before Jadeja will play in conditions not tailor made for him like these dust bowls and you will see for yourself the shortsightedness of playing him in these home matches. The vast majority of our next 20-25 tests are away from home. If Ashwin is injured or out of form do you want to see Jadeja line up to fire in his darts in addition to not being put bat to ball in those conditions - he is finding it hard to do so even on these dust bowls. Regarding Chawla and Mishra, yeah Jadeja is so bad that even they will do better even though they are pretty crap themselves.

[The Outsider]

in these conditions 3 spinners+1 pacer is the way to go' date='especially against non SC teams. n he makes it imo[/quote'] We are playing 3 spinners and 2 pacers right now. We played 4 spinners and a pacer in Nagpur.

[Lord]

We are playing 3 spinners and 2 pacers right now. We played 4 spinners and a pacer in Nagpur.

yes and Jadeja is not the worst of the lot.infact 2nd best

[rkt.india]

We are playing 3 spinners and 2 pacers right now. We played 4 spinners and a pacer in Nagpur.

1 pacer out of them is completely useless.

[The Outsider]

yes and Jadeja is not the worst of the lot.infact 2nd best

He is not the worst of the lot, but there are better bowlers who are not part of the line up. Pick Shami, B Kumar, Ashwin, Ojha and play a specialist batsman at number 6 or pick Shami, B Kumar, Ashwin, Ojha, and Rasool/Ladda if you want 3 spinners and don't want a specialist number 6 batsman. In both cases the bowling attack and team balance is better than having Jadeja in there.

[The Outsider]

1 pacer out of them is completely useless.

So, replace him with another pacer unless you are saying no one in India is better than Ishant.

[Lord]

First Class records are not the be all and end all of things. All of them have got more potential for long term success than a bits and pieces cricketer like Jadeja. I'll ask the question again - can you name a single successful bits and pieces cricketer in tests? It's only a matter of time before Jadeja will play in conditions not tailor made for him like these dust bowls and you will see for yourself the shortsightedness of playing him in these home matches. The vast majority of our next 20-25 tests are away from home. If Ashwin is injured or out of form do you want to see Jadeja line up to fire in his darts in addition to not being put bat to ball in those conditions - he is finding it hard to do so even on these dust bowls. Regarding Chawla and Mishra, yeah Jadeja is so bad that even they will do better even though they are pretty crap themselves.

What do you mean when you say potential-I was asking just that?Bhatt n Nadeem are darters too.Ladda is decent but lacks control.needs an A tour imo. as for Jadeja,for now hes doing well.lets not look too far.the so called bits and pieces cricketers has proved better than specialists Chawla n Mishra even in favourable conditions. away from home,I dont see any of our spinners playing a role except Ashwin.It'll be down to fast bowlers.we saw how Mishra went on England tour.Bhajji is finished too.only other option is Ojha.but since spinners wont play a major role,I'll pick Jadeja as he can hold down an end and can bat and field better.

[DarthSimian]

Jadeja is one of the most accurate bowler in the Indian line up, especially to the right handers. That itself makes him a must want to the team.

[Lord]

He is not the worst of the lot' date=' but there are better bowlers who are not part of the line up. Pick Shami, B Kumar, Ashwin, Ojha and play a specialist batsman at number 6 [b']or pick Shami, B Kumar, Ashwin, Ojha, and Rasool/Ladda if you want 3 spinners and don't want a specialist number 6 batsman. In both cases the bowling attack and team balance is better than having Jadeja in there.

in the end it again boils down to Jadeja vs Ladda/Rassool.I dont know how they are better.Rasool maybe but too early to say.have you seen him? the 2nd option looks better as we struggle more to take 20 wickets in these conditions than score decent runs

[The Outsider]

What do you mean when you say potential-I was asking just that?Bhatt n Nadeem are darters too.Ladda is decent but lacks control.needs an A tour imo.

Bhatt was not a darter in his earlier seasons. I haven't watched him off late. Nadeem gives more flight than Jadeja. Everyone has been impressed by Rasool's flight and attacking style.

as for Jadeja,for now hes doing well.lets not look too far.the so called bits and pieces cricketers has proved better than specialists Chawla n Mishra even in favourable conditions. away from home,I dont see any of our spinners playing a role except Ashwin.It'll be down to fast bowlers.we saw how Mishra went on England tour.Bhajji is finished too.only other option is Ojha.but since spinners wont play a major role,I'll pick Jadeja as he can hold down an end and can bat and field better.

It's exactly this kind of shortsighted thinking which led to the 0-8 and we are going to see more such results over the coming years because we are looking to win on dust bowls with bits and pieces cricketers rather than developing a team for all conditions. What are you going to do in South Africa? Play Dhoni and Jadeja at 6 and 7? Steyn and Philander will be LOLing all over Durban looking at that. Or will you drop Jadeja and pick Rahane/Rohit/Tiwary at number 6 and expect them to make an impact there without any chances to play international attacks in familiar conditions? Ojha is a proper bowler, Jadeja is a darter and expecting Jadeja to contribute with the bat against Steyn, Philander, and Morkel on South African pitches is stuff of pipedreams. And no Jadeja has not proved more effective than Mishra and Chawla. He has got tailor made dust bowls to bowl on whereas pitches over the last many seasons in India have been pattas in general. Put Mishra and Chawla on these pitches and they will do as much as Jadeja.

[Crookbond]

Arre' date=' try out Bhargav Bhatt(I know he didn't do well this season) or Ladda if you don't like the above choices. [b']Both of them along with Nadeem and Rasool have more potential than the dart king Jadeja is going to give you in the long run. Bits and pieces cricketers have never succeeded in test cricket over a long run and we are just wasting time and opportunities in playing Jadeja in a bits and pieces role.

I think there is some personal prejudice there. I understand your preference of other spinners over Jadeja but given the current context Jadeja is performing well enough as any of the other mentioned names.

[The Outsider]

in the end it again boils down to Jadeja vs Ladda/Rassool.I dont know how they are better.Rasool maybe but too early to say.have you seen him?

Look, Jadeja is a terrible test match player. I'll ask this again - name one, just one successful bits and pieces cricketer in test cricket. How is Jadeja going to change test cricket history?

the 2nd option looks better as we struggle more to take 20 wickets in these conditions than score decent runs

We might draw a game or so instead of winning it, but it will help in developing a proper number 6 for conditions away from home.

[rkt.india]

I have no problem with Jadeja playing as 3rd spinners if we are playing only 1 pacer but issue for me here is he cannot play as batsman at number 6 or 7.

[The Outsider]

I think there is some personal prejudice there. I understand your preference of other spinners over Jadeja but given the current context Jadeja is performing well enough as any of the other mentioned names.

Jadeja's relative success with the ball is down to the pitches. On these tracks he is able to put doubts in the batsman's mind about which one will turn and which will go straight on. Away from home, he won't be able to turn anything and batsmen will milk him easily like they did in the CB series. With other bowlers, they have the tools which can be developed in wicket taking options away from home as well. It's not like Jadeja is running through sides at home.

[rkt.india]

Bhatt was not a darter in his earlier seasons. I haven't watched him off late. Nadeem gives more flight than Jadeja. Everyone has been impressed by Rasool's flight and attacking style.

Bhatt is still not a darter but still wont be an impact bowler. He does not go enough rip, just a bowler who drops the ball.

It's exactly this kind of shortsighted thinking which led to the 0-8 and we are going to see more such results over the coming years because we are looking to win on dust bowls with bits and pieces cricketers rather than developing a team for all conditions. What are you going to do in South Africa? Play Dhoni and Jadeja at 6 and 7? Steyn and Philander will be LOLing all over Durban looking at that. Or will you drop Jadeja and pick Rahane/Rohit/Tiwary at number 6 and expect them to make an impact there without any chances to play international attacks in familiar conditions?

This is the main reason any one of Rahane, Tiwary or Rohit or any other like Rayudu should get a test exposure before SA tour. We cannot just throw them in an overseas test and expect to perform.

Ojha is a proper bowler, Jadeja is a darter and expecting Jadeja to contribute with the bat against Steyn, Philander, and Morkel on South African pitches is stuff of pipedreams.

Neither of them is an attacking option for me and left arm spinner will never be an attacking option, need a leggie or an oppspinner for that. I would like to try Parvez Rasol because he can bat too.