Clarke Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 when did i say she doesnt have any say' date=' off course she has a say in the government policy because she is a [b']chairperson of UPA, chairperson of National Advisory Council, President of the Indian National Congress and Member of Parliament for Rae Bareli but what position does mohan bhagwat has in BJP that he has a greater say in BJP's leadership and everyone listens in BJP when he speaks Does that mean all the others in the party including the PMO are attack dogs to defend damad ji ?
seedhi Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 when did i say she doesnt have any say' date=' off course she has a say in the government policy because she is a chairperson of UPA, chairperson of National Advisory Council, President of the Indian National Congress and Member of Parliament for Rae Bareli but what position does mohan bhagwat has in BJP that he has a greater say in BJP's leadership and everyone listens in BJP when he speaks[/quote']What position does Robert Vadra have in the government that every minister stood up to defend his land grabbing, and the law minister even gave him a clean chit without investigation? And how can we forget Indira Gandhi whose government was totally controlled by her son Sanjay Gandhi from 1975 till his death. And I dont see anything wrong with RSS having an influence on the BJP. It is not as if BJP is totally controlled by it, but there is nothing wrong with BJP consulting the RSS. There is nothing unique about this. For example, in the US, the Democratic party is considerably influenced by trade unions. The Republicans have their own conservative groups, religious organizations, and even media persons who hold considerable influence over them. In the UK, there has been a traditional relationship between the Labour and the trade unions. Even in India the Communist parties have been considerably controlled by the trade unions like CITU.
someone Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Well, it's clear that there has been some sort of compromise reached. LKA simply did not rethink over his resignation rather asked for some guarantees over certain decisions. At this moment, it seems to be "PM". Also,this incident does show the fickle nature of politics. Today, opponents and rivals were all crying out for Advani and saying him as true and great leader. Wouldn't surprise me if they were to say this about Modi in future when there is someone bigger than him in their party.
someone Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 What position does Robert Vadra have in the government that every minister stood up to defend his land grabbing, and the law minister even gave him a clean chit without investigation? And how can we forget Indira Gandhi whose government was totally controlled by her son Sanjay Gandhi from 1975 till his death. And I dont see anything wrong with RSS having an influence on the BJP. It is not as if BJP is totally controlled by it, but there is nothing wrong with BJP consulting the RSS. There is nothing unique about this. For example, in the US, the Democratic party is considerably influenced by trade unions. The Republicans have their own conservative groups, religious organizations, and even media persons who hold considerable influence over them. In the UK, there has been a traditional relationship between the Labour and the trade unions. Even in India the Communist parties have been considerably controlled by the trade unions like CITU. Exactly, there is so much wrong in Congress that the very idea of moral responsibility and lectures coming from them is wrong.
Sachin=GOD Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 and now when JDU is threatening to quit NDA its Advani who has talked to Nitish and Sharad Yadav and is trying to persuade them not to quit. WHy couldn't the BJP's new poster boy Modi talk to them.. Oh wait :phehehe:
Clarke Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Advani is showing his padosi roots in a way (retire-unretire) :P
bulbul Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 and now when JDU is threatening to quit NDA its Advani who has talked to Nitish and Sharad Yadav and is trying to persuade them not to quit. WHy couldn't the BJP's new poster boy Modi talk to them.. Oh wait :phehehe: Strong leaders shouldn't surrender meekly.
Sachin=GOD Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Strong leaders shouldn't surrender meekly. it was obvious from the very beginning that his resignation was made merely to prove a point and he would take it back :dontknow: now his voice will be heard - the post of campaign chief may not be taken form modi but I expect some changes in the kind of authority he gets in that post now.
urbestfriend Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 I think BJP's strategy is very clear..Have Modi as BJP's head of election campaign, but not announce a PM candidate before election to appease NDA allies. Depending on the result of the election, there are many PM aspirants in BJP like Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj , Arun Jaitley who could be consensus candidate. Modi is made BJP's head currently due to enormous pressure from lower rank of BJP karyakartas, nothing more.
FischerTal Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 and now when JDU is threatening to quit NDA its Advani who has talked to Nitish and Sharad Yadav and is trying to persuade them not to quit. WHy couldn't the BJP's new poster boy Modi talk to them.. Oh wait :phehehe: Nitish now wants to form 3rd front with mamata and patnaik. advani couldnt do anything even if he was in charge :phehehe:
Sachin=GOD Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Nitish now wants to form 3rd front with mamata and patnaik. advani couldnt do anything even if he was in charge :phehehe: Meh... about 10-12 months before every election there is a new 3rd front and after the election most of the members of these 3rd fronts go on to support Cong/BJP. Something like a 3rd front is simply not feasible in today;s times because of the big egos of the regional satraps who form the 3rd front - these people just cannot work together for a long time.
FischerTal Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Meh... about 10-12 months before every election there is a new 3rd front and after the election most of the members of these 3rd fronts go on to support Cong/BJP. Something like a 3rd front is simply not feasible in today;s times because of the big egos of the regional satraps who form the 3rd front - these people just cannot work together for a long time. thats why its important to have candidate who will get maximum seats for the party. advani's popularity is going down even among bjp supporters
Sachin=GOD Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 thats why its important to have candidate who will get maximum seats for the party. advani's popularity is going down even among bjp supporters you are a big Modi supporter so you just do not realize that there is no scenario in which a Modi led BJP can get enough seats to be able to attract new allies after the elections. If Modi is the leader of the BJP then JDU will almost certainly fight the elections without BJP (or maybe even with Cong) so that around 25 seats gone (20 of the JDU and around 4-5 which the BJP will lose in Bihar because of division of votes). The only new party which may join the NDA is AIADMK but it will get around 25-30 seats which means it will only compensate for the losses made because of JDU leaving - it won't add anything to what NDA has right now. What BJP needs is both JDU and AIADMK, and this cannot happen under Modi. In a crucial state like UP, the BJP just cannot win more than 15 seats if Modi is the leader because seeing him as leader will polarize the Muslim votes - I have absolutely no doubt about that. What BJP needs is to go into the elections with as many allies as possible - having Modi will mean just the opposite and in such a scenario, BJP cannot win many seats. Whether people like it or not, the reality is that in order to get more than 160 seats, BJP will have to work within the coalition constraints - this can only happen if the leader of the BJP is a consensus candidate agreed upon by all members of the NDA.
someone Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 you are a big Modi supporter so you just do not realize that there is no scenario in which a Modi led BJP can get enough seats to be able to attract new allies after the elections. Wrong, BJP with or without Modi will always have limited allies. Majority regional parties this time around are hopeful for the 3rd front so they will leave their options open. The time around focus is on post poll alliances. Even Congress understands that well. The 3rd front party can very much be reality particularly if this elections is fought on the divided rule. And this 3rd front parties are influenced by power primarily.
Sachin=GOD Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 My turn to apologise Karan Thapar , Hindustan Times June 16, 2013 Theatre directors will tell you that as important as an actor’s entrance is his exit. To leave a lasting impact it has to happen with style. Translated into politics that probably means with grace. I’ll never forget John Major’s parting words in 1997 when he lost the British election: “When the curtain falls it’s time to leave the stage. Tomorrow I intend to watch cricket.” His political innings may be forgotten but Major’s charm and composure in defeat is unforgettable. Such an end, it seems, is to be denied to LK Advani. It hardly matters whether fate, or his own folly, contrived to reach this denouement. Ultimately, that’s a detail. What’s tragic is that a great career should fade away in this unfortunate manner. This is why I’m determined to remember Mr Advani very differently. Today, when his achievements are forgotten and his future under question, I want to share with you why I admire and respect him. No doubt our politics differed but he taught me a lesson I value enormously: no one is too big to say sorry. The story goes back to our first meeting in 1990. Mr Advani was the leader of the Opposition. I was the producer of a small and as yet unknown video-magazine Eyewitness. He gave me an interview which went off without a hitch. Afterwards he invited me for tea and introduced me to his wife. However, when we next met, six weeks later, he was indifferent, even cold. “What’s the matter?” I presumptuously asked. “I’m told the interview was a travesty” he bluntly replied. I hardly knew what to say. The interview had been shown as recorded. If he was happy with the recording what did he find objectionable about the final version? So I sent him a VHS and asked if he had made a mistake. Months passed without response. Mr Advani, I said to myself, is too high and mighty to bother about little journalists. I resolved to put him out of my mind. Then, on a hot summer’s night in the middle of 1991, the phone rang. “It’s LK Advani”, the voice on the other side began. “I’ve seen the interview and it was exactly as recorded. I’m sorry I was misled. That shouldn’t have happened. I’ve rung to apologise.” It was the start of a ‘friendship’ that I valued and enormously benefited from till, foolishly, I ruined it. Over the years that followed Mr Advani gave me more interviews than perhaps anyone else. I got his first as home minister and several as deputy prime minister. More than that, I was always welcome when I called. Mrs Advani and Pratibha made me feel special. Alas, it all unravelled in 2006 when I did an interview Mr Advani didn’t like. He asked if I would re-do it. I refused. I thought journalistic integrity required a firm stand forgetting I’d only got the interview because I was considered a ‘friend’. Thereafter our relationship was never the same. Mr Advani continued to take my phone calls and was always courteous but the old link had snapped. Today I realise I was wrong. Maybe even arrogant, which is worse. And so it’s my turn to apologise. It’s taken me seven years but the memory of Mr Advani’s phone call, made 22 years ago, has given me the strength to say sorry. Alas, I’m aware it’s now too late. This time, however, I’d really like to be wrong. http://www.hindustantimes.com/editorial-views-on/KaranThapar/My-turn-to-apologise/Article1-1077079.aspx :hatsoff: to both of them.
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